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JJM wrote:My top 15 List would be 1. Teddy Roosevelt 2. Lincoln or Coolidge 3. Lincoln or Coolidge 4. Truman or Reagen 5. Truman or Reagen 6. Taylor or Jefferson 7. Taylor or Jefferson 8. James Madison 9. Benjamin Harrison 10. Cleveland 11. G. W. Bush 12. Eisenhower 13. G. H. W. Bush 14. Wasington 15. McKinley
Neanderpaul14 I am suprised you have not said anything.
JJM wrote:My top 15 List would be 1. Teddy Roosevelt 2. Lincoln or Coolidge 3. Lincoln or Coolidge 4. Truman or Reagen 5. Truman or Reagen 6. Taylor or Jefferson 7. Taylor or Jefferson 8. James Madison 9. Benjamin Harrison 10. Cleveland 11. G. W. Bush 12. Eisenhower 13. G. H. W. Bush 14. Wasington 15. McKinley
Neanderpaul14 I am suprised you have not said anything.
JJM wrote:My top 15 List would be 1. Teddy Roosevelt 2. Lincoln or Coolidge 3. Lincoln or Coolidge 4. Truman or Reagen 5. Truman or Reagen 6. Taylor or Jefferson 7. Taylor or Jefferson 8. James Madison 9. Benjamin Harrison 10. Cleveland 11. G. W. Bush 12. Eisenhower 13. G. H. W. Bush 14. Wasington 15. McKinley
Neanderpaul14 I am suprised you have not said anything.
"anything"
I thought you thought he was the worst.
I do for a fact, and I'm not alone in this regard.
Why T.R. for number 1?? I think he was a fine president but I wouldn't put him up that high.
JJM wrote:My top 15 List would be 1. Teddy Roosevelt 2. Lincoln or Coolidge 3. Lincoln or Coolidge 4. Truman or Reagen 5. Truman or Reagen 6. Taylor or Jefferson 7. Taylor or Jefferson 8. James Madison 9. Benjamin Harrison 10. Cleveland 11. G. W. Bush 12. Eisenhower 13. G. H. W. Bush 14. Wasington 15. McKinley
Neanderpaul14 I am suprised you have not said anything.
"anything"
I thought you thought he was the worst.
I do for a fact, and I'm not alone in this regard.
Why T.R. for number 1?? I think he was a fine president but I wouldn't put him up that high.
He was the "trust buster" and he built the Panama Canal and he made peace between Russia and Japan and he did a lot for conservation and the list goes on. Every President has had their own faults that their admireres are embarrassed to admit for example Lincoln had a prejuduce streak towards Native Amearicans and FDR had the court packing scheme but T.R. was as close to perfect as we can git.
I can't take the time to read all these posts, so I don't know how much has been said about Jackson, but I think he was a pretty great president. He shifted the power of the presidency away from the aristocrats toward common man. He broke what he considered a great scam of the time: there was a system in place where the president would appoint a secretary of state who would support him in almost everything. Then at the end of his term the president would do his best to make sure his secretary of state became the next president. A pattern emerged here that Jackson was able to break. Also, the civil war was not just a thing of Lincoln's time. Jackson narrowly averted civil war in the 1830's and the idea of civil war continued to exist until it actually occurred. Finally, Jackson was one tough guy. He survived multiple assassination attempts, at one point beating a would be assassin with his cane. He was physically assaulted and punched in the face. Imagine someone trying to punch a modern president?
Like all presidents though he did some horrible things. He was absolutely brutal to the Indians. He drank and smoked and was involved in all sorts of scandal. But all in all, he pretty much created what became the modern presidency.
Also its interesting to note that many people consider Lincoln the greatest president, however when faced with difficult questions Lincoln would quite often revert to his study and admiration of Jackson to guide his decisions.
Harry NotSach wrote:I can't take the time to read all these posts, so I don't know how much has been said about Jackson, but I think he was a pretty great president. He shifted the power of the presidency away from the aristocrats toward common man. He broke what he considered a great scam of the time: there was a system in place where the president would appoint a secretary of state who would support him in almost everything. Then at the end of his term the president would do his best to make sure his secretary of state became the next president. A pattern emerged here that Jacksonwas able to break. Also, the civil war was not just a thing of Lincoln's time. Jackson narrowly averted civil war in the 1830's and the idea of civil war continued to exist until it actually occurred. Finally, Jackson was one tough guy. He survived multiple assassination attempts, at one point beating a would be assassin with his cane. He was physically assaulted and punched in the face. Imagine someone trying to punch a modern president?
Like all presidents though he did some horrible things. He was absolutely brutal to the Indians. He drank and smoked and was involved in all sorts of scandal. But all in all, he pretty much created what became the modern presidency.
Well Jimbo (alias: JJM) any thoughts??? I highlighted a few words for you.
Harry NotSach wrote:I can't take the time to read all these posts, so I don't know how much has been said about Jackson, but I think he was a pretty great president. He shifted the power of the presidency away from the aristocrats toward common man. He broke what he considered a great scam of the time: there was a system in place where the president would appoint a secretary of state who would support him in almost everything. Then at the end of his term the president would do his best to make sure his secretary of state became the next president. A pattern emerged here that Jackson was able to break. Also, the civil war was not just a thing of Lincoln's time. Jackson narrowly averted civil war in the 1830's and the idea of civil war continued to exist until it actually occurred. Finally, Jackson was one tough guy. He survived multiple assassination attempts, at one point beating a would be assassin with his cane. He was physically assaulted and punched in the face. Imagine someone trying to punch a modern president?
Like all presidents though he did some horrible things. He was absolutely brutal to the Indians. He drank and smoked and was involved in all sorts of scandal. But all in all, he pretty much created what became the modern presidency.
He was an aristocrat. An aristocrat is a person who believes that a country should be governed by a few wise men. He treated Indians as if they were his subjects. His adminestration was filled with scandal. He didn't even understand debate if someone critizied him he would challenge them to a duel. I will be shocked if you can find one good decission he made durring his entire presidency.
Harry NotSach wrote:Also its interesting to note that many people consider Lincoln the greatest president, however when faced with difficult questions Lincoln would quite often revert to his study and admiration of Jackson to guide his decisions.
Harry NotSach wrote:I can't take the time to read all these posts, so I don't know how much has been said about Jackson, but I think he was a pretty great president. He shifted the power of the presidency away from the aristocrats toward common man. He broke what he considered a great scam of the time: there was a system in place where the president would appoint a secretary of state who would support him in almost everything. Then at the end of his term the president would do his best to make sure his secretary of state became the next president. A pattern emerged here that Jackson was able to break. Also, the civil war was not just a thing of Lincoln's time. Jackson narrowly averted civil war in the 1830's and the idea of civil war continued to exist until it actually occurred. Finally, Jackson was one tough guy. He survived multiple assassination attempts, at one point beating a would be assassin with his cane. He was physically assaulted and punched in the face. Imagine someone trying to punch a modern president?
Like all presidents though he did some horrible things. He was absolutely brutal to the Indians. He drank and smoked and was involved in all sorts of scandal. But all in all, he pretty much created what became the modern presidency.
He was an aristocrat. An aristocrat is a person who believes that a country should be governed by a few wise men. He treated Indians as if they were his subjects. His adminestration was filled with scandal. He didn't even understand debate if someone critizied him he would challenge them to a duel. I will be shocked if you can find one good decission he made durring his entire presidency.
Andrew Jackson wrote: I challenge you to a duel...
Harry NotSach wrote:I can't take the time to read all these posts, so I don't know how much has been said about Jackson, but I think he was a pretty great president. He shifted the power of the presidency away from the aristocrats toward common man. He broke what he considered a great scam of the time: there was a system in place where the president would appoint a secretary of state who would support him in almost everything. Then at the end of his term the president would do his best to make sure his secretary of state became the next president. A pattern emerged here that Jackson was able to break. Also, the civil war was not just a thing of Lincoln's time. Jackson narrowly averted civil war in the 1830's and the idea of civil war continued to exist until it actually occurred. Finally, Jackson was one tough guy. He survived multiple assassination attempts, at one point beating a would be assassin with his cane. He was physically assaulted and punched in the face. Imagine someone trying to punch a modern president?
Like all presidents though he did some horrible things. He was absolutely brutal to the Indians. He drank and smoked and was involved in all sorts of scandal. But all in all, he pretty much created what became the modern presidency.
He was an aristocrat. An aristocrat is a person who believes that a country should be governed by a few wise men. He treated Indians as if they were his subjects. His adminestration was filled with scandal. He didn't even understand debate if someone critizied him he would challenge them to a duel. I will be shocked if you can find one good decission he made durring his entire presidency.
Andrew Jackson wrote: I challenge you to a duel...
seriously I wonder how J.Q.Adams survived the presidencial debates.
Harry NotSach wrote:I can't take the time to read all these posts, so I don't know how much has been said about Jackson, but I think he was a pretty great president. He shifted the power of the presidency away from the aristocrats toward common man. He broke what he considered a great scam of the time: there was a system in place where the president would appoint a secretary of state who would support him in almost everything. Then at the end of his term the president would do his best to make sure his secretary of state became the next president. A pattern emerged here that Jackson was able to break. Also, the civil war was not just a thing of Lincoln's time. Jackson narrowly averted civil war in the 1830's and the idea of civil war continued to exist until it actually occurred. Finally, Jackson was one tough guy. He survived multiple assassination attempts, at one point beating a would be assassin with his cane. He was physically assaulted and punched in the face. Imagine someone trying to punch a modern president?
Like all presidents though he did some horrible things. He was absolutely brutal to the Indians. He drank and smoked and was involved in all sorts of scandal. But all in all, he pretty much created what became the modern presidency.
He was an aristocrat. An aristocrat is a person who believes that a country should be governed by a few wise men. He treated Indians as if they were his subjects. His adminestration was filled with scandal. He didn't even understand debate if someone critizied him he would challenge them to a duel. I will be shocked if you can find one good decission he made durring his entire presidency.
Andrew Jackson wrote: I challenge you to a duel...
seriously I wonder how J.Q.Adams survived the presidencial debates.
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