Question for the religious (Americans)

[Strife]

I'm a practicing Catholic. I've been a practicing Catholic my whole life. I started drinking at age 17. I started carousing at age 14. George Bush starting doing coke in college. Religion and morals have little to do with each other for practical purposes.

Seriously, this poll disturbs me greatly.

Catholicism. And you know that Bush(which one?) did cocaine for a fact? I mean, I always knew Bush(both) blows, but the drug?(pun intended)

[john9blue]

It's not condescending. I think every person should be judged individually and not by their race/beliefs/whatever, but it's part of human nature to draw hasty conclusions. Which is part of why I talk to atheists about my beliefs, so they realize that not all theists are dumb sheep.

[joecoolfrog]

It's not condescending. I think every person should be judged individually and not by their race/beliefs/whatever, but it's part of human nature to draw hasty conclusions. Which is part of why I talk to atheists about my beliefs, so they realize that not all theists are dumb sheep.

All theists are dumb sheep and desperately need a spiritual crutch, nonsense of course but its human nature for us to spout ignorant generalisations yes ?

[Ray Rider]

"In the beginning of the contest with Great Britiain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind Providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow can not fall to the ground without his notice, is it possible that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that, 'except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this, and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed, in this political building no better than the builders of Babel."
-Benjamin Franklin, at 83 years of age, speaking at the Constitutional Convention of 1787

[Frigidus]

"In the beginning of the contest with Great Britiain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind Providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow can not fall to the ground without his notice, is it possible that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that, 'except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this, and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed, in this political building no better than the builders of Babel."
-Benjamin Franklin, at 83 years of age, speaking at the Constitutional Convention of 1787

Something tells me the British didn't feel quite the same way. I can't say the idea of a deity who shows political favoritism is an appealing one.

[captainwalrus]

People like Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were not religious at all. Adams said something like, The ideal world would have no religion, and Thonam Jefferson wrote his own bible that get rid of all the supernatural things.

[thegreekdog]

"In the beginning of the contest with Great Britiain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind Providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow can not fall to the ground without his notice, is it possible that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that, 'except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this, and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed, in this political building no better than the builders of Babel."
-Benjamin Franklin, at 83 years of age, speaking at the Constitutional Convention of 1787

I can guarantee, with 100% certainty, that many of the British prayed for the downfall of the United States and/or for the American Revoluation to fail.

[PLAYER57832]

"In the beginning of the contest with Great Britiain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind Providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow can not fall to the ground without his notice, is it possible that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that, 'except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this, and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed, in this political building no better than the builders of Babel."
-Benjamin Franklin, at 83 years of age, speaking at the Constitutional Convention of 1787

Claiming any such thing is to place yourself above others. Christ did not teach us that, it is the arrogance of mankind.

[Strife]

"In the beginning of the contest with Great Britiain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind Providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow can not fall to the ground without his notice, is it possible that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that, 'except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this, and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed, in this political building no better than the builders of Babel."
-Benjamin Franklin, at 83 years of age, speaking at the Constitutional Convention of 1787

Claiming any such thing is to place yourself above others. Christ did not teach us that, it is the arrogance of mankind.

Yeshua of Nazareth didn't teach who that?