FREDVIII [Permanent Website Vacation]

[lanyards]

May I be refunded for the 25+ team games I will lose now?

[redhawk92]

May I be refunded for the 25+ team games I will lose now?

you have done nothing wrong lany you deserve to be refunded the points

[btown80]

But why are people being warned for language when it isn't against the rules and other mods (lancehoch) even admitted it isn't.

[AndyDufresne]

But why are people being warned for language when it isn't against the rules and other mods (lancehoch) even admitted it isn't.

FredVIII was given enough benefits and was even allowed to come back to CC. I think we've been more than generous, and he finally exhausted that generosity.


--Andy

[Renegades]

it's understandable but just give him a game chat ban and everythings solved. he's actually a great guy to play with and to chat with

[lanyards]

But why are people being warned for language when it isn't against the rules and other mods (lancehoch) even admitted it isn't.

FredVIII was given enough benefits and was even allowed to come back to CC. I think we've been more than generous, and he finally exhausted that generosity.


--Andy

Lmao. What rule does he break from getting his account taken over? And it was my understanding that this player was permitted to create another account, so no, not breaking a rule there either. And trolling there forum is the only thing I see wrong that Jeff Hardy/FredVIII has done, but if we are banning people for trolling, might as well ban have of our forum members. And swearing? I can name many many users who swear a ton more than FredVIII. So really, what rules has this player broken and how is swearing at other users exhausting CC's generosity?

[lanyards]

Seriously, what harm can a Forum-Banned user do to this site...

[Bruceswar]

I am sorry this ruling is just utter BS. In fact your rulings overall are dodgy at best. If we are going to start banning people from the forums / website due to lang, there are about 50 right off the top that can go. Inconsistent as ever if what we come to expect from CC. As for people blowing up in chat we all do it at times. Some a bit more violent than others. I will not name anybody but there are a few who really go much further than Fred did, and over many more games.

P.S. Kyle you walk on thin Ice allied up with Max.

[coded]

So what rule exactly did he break?

[lanyards]

I am sorry this ruling is just utter BS. In fact your rulings overall are dodgy at best. If we are going to start banning people from the forums / website due to lang, there are about 50 right off the top that can go. Inconsistent as ever if what we come to expect from CC. As for people blowing up in chat we all do it at times. Some a bit more violent than others. I will not name anybody but there are a few who really go much further than Fred did, and over many more games.

P.S. Kyle you walk on thin Ice allied up with Max.

QTF

[redhawk92]

I am sorry this ruling is just utter BS. In fact your rulings overall are dodgy at best. If we are going to start banning people from the forums / website due to lang, there are about 50 right off the top that can go. Inconsistent as ever if what we come to expect from CC. As for people blowing up in chat we all do it at times. Some a bit more violent than others. I will not name anybody but there are a few who really go much further than Fred did, and over many more games.

P.S. Kyle you walk on thin Ice allied up with Max.

i am not allied to max i dont like fredd bc he was rude to me i had no problem with him for a long rime

[tyche73]

i think it all a bit harsh
he lost his temper and didn't braek any rule
you can't let a guy in and not inform him of new rules that you make up as you go along

[Witt13]

We took into account FredVIII's past history, as usual. He was on a Permanent Live Chat Vacation, a hold over Permanent Forum Vacation, and had received numerous Warnings and Vacations as well.

Well all his bans seem to pretty much come back to language (which has been pointed out to have inconsistent rulings): live chat, forum.... All chat/language based bans...

Now, I'll put this out there... I am not a fan of swearing at all. Yes I do occasionally swear, but if I do swear, I try my best not to let it leak into the game chat.... So even though I don't believe these things are good for the CC community, and don't endorse swearing at all, to give someone a perm website ban for language is taking things to far...

Why was the game chat ban skipped, and instead you guys decided to go straight to total ban???

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

another one bites the dust

[lanyards]

The swearing isn't even in forums, on either account. If you have a problem with swearing in game chat, it's a simple fix.

"Just add the user to your Ignore List."

The usual response from admins to accusations.

[Beckytheblondie]

I hate to interject, but, this isn't a vacation for simply swearing. Of course, that's been proven allowable in past cases.

This is a case of irreparable damage to the community and the exhaustion of multiple warnings.

peace- becky.

[lanyards]

I hate to interject, but, this isn't a vacation for simply swearing. Of course, that's been proven allowable in past cases.

This is a case of irreparable damage to the community and the exhaustion of multiple warnings.

peace- becky.

Fail to answer the question asked many times once again. What rules has this player broken and been warned for? A simple question. Can we get a straight answer?

[lanyards]

In fact, FredVIII has not once been warned for any abuse.

[redhawk92]

everyone smoke some weed and calm the f*ck down

[Bones2484]

In fact, FredVIII has not once been warned for any abuse.

You'd think that getting privs taken away would be considered a warning that you should calm down a bit, right?

Stop acting like this wasn't a long time coming.

[AndyDufresne]

I hate to interject, but, this isn't a vacation for simply swearing. Of course, that's been proven allowable in past cases.

This is a case of irreparable damage to the community and the exhaustion of multiple warnings.

peace- becky.

Fail to answer the question asked many times once again. What rules has this player broken and been warned for? A simple question. Can we get a straight answer?

His Flames were indeed mild, but taking into account the culmination of everything of his past, both with FredvIII and the Jeff Hardy account (as mentioned, a Permanent Live Chat Vacation, a Permanent Forum Vacation, Account Sitting Abuse, and Numerous Warnings), the culmination of everything led to a Permanent Website Vacation.

Whenever anyone reaches a Permanent Vacation from the Forum or Live Chat, subsequent infractions may bump up to Permanent Website Vacations. Community Guidelines.

[spoiler]Rule Enforcement

For users who break the above Guidelines, as they say, "there will be consequences and repercussions." The Mods and Admins will always take into account when past infractions occurred, and the severity of the current infraction and any past infractions, in addition to the intent of the infractions.

There are essentially Two Levels of Infraction in Conquer Club: Minor and Major/Severe.

* Minor Infractions are those that are more annoying than hurtful with intent. This includes but is not limited to: Spamming, Off Topicing, Forms of Flaming/Trolling, Necro-bumping, Oversized Signature, Avatar Abuse, Chat/Forum Newbie Abuse, etc.
o Minor Infractions follow the traditional vacation escalation scale of: Warning, 24 Hour Vacation, 72 Hour Vacation, One Week or One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.
* Major/Severe Infractions are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, Intentional Deadbeating, Repeatedly Holding Players Hostage, Serial Teammate Killing, Hijacking Accounts, Systematically "Farming" New Recruits, Illegal Point Collecting, **Point Dumping** etc.
o Major/Severe Infractions follow a shortened vacation escalation scale of: Warning, One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.
**Note: Due to the nature of Point Dumping having an impact of the integrity of the game, your account will be suspended first until the issue can be resolved.**

If an account ever reaches a Permanent Forum or Permanent Live Chat Vacation, their next infractions may be bumped up to a Permanent Website Vacation.[/spoiler]

Considering FredVIII had both a Permanent Forum and Live Chat Vacation, in addition to a past history of a Major/Severe Infraction (Account Sitting Abuse), a Permanent Website Vacation was issued and warranted.

Hope that clears some things up.


--Andy

[redhawk92]

it wont lany is pissed

[Masli]

Listen Andy, you can't have rules like :

# Banter and some trash talking IS allowed in the Game Chats, so don't waste time complaining about that.
# You may not be used to hearing or reading those "four-letter words", but some people do and will use them. This isn't a reason to open a complaint about the player; just kindly ask them to stop or ignore them.

and then punish him for that. Even with the past warnings for other things. You cannot change the rules each time. Change them and use them in the next offence, but this is BS.

Kyle : stick to the facts, quit talking about what happened between the 2 of you

[lanyards]

I hate to interject, but, this isn't a vacation for simply swearing. Of course, that's been proven allowable in past cases.

This is a case of irreparable damage to the community and the exhaustion of multiple warnings.

peace- becky.

Fail to answer the question asked many times once again. What rules has this player broken and been warned for? A simple question. Can we get a straight answer?

His Flames were indeed mild, but taking into account the culmination of everything of his past, both with FredvIII and the Jeff Hardy account (as mentioned, a Permanent Live Chat Vacation, a Permanent Forum Vacation, Account Sitting Abuse, and Numerous Warnings), the culmination of everything led to a Permanent Website Vacation.

Whenever anyone reaches a Permanent Vacation from the Forum or Live Chat, subsequent infractions may bump up to Permanent Website Vacations. Community Guidelines.

[spoiler]Rule Enforcement

For users who break the above Guidelines, as they say, "there will be consequences and repercussions." The Mods and Admins will always take into account when past infractions occurred, and the severity of the current infraction and any past infractions, in addition to the intent of the infractions.

There are essentially Two Levels of Infraction in Conquer Club: Minor and Major/Severe.

* Minor Infractions are those that are more annoying than hurtful with intent. This includes but is not limited to: Spamming, Off Topicing, Forms of Flaming/Trolling, Necro-bumping, Oversized Signature, Avatar Abuse, Chat/Forum Newbie Abuse, etc.
o Minor Infractions follow the traditional vacation escalation scale of: Warning, 24 Hour Vacation, 72 Hour Vacation, One Week or One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.
* Major/Severe Infractions are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, Intentional Deadbeating, Repeatedly Holding Players Hostage, Serial Teammate Killing, Hijacking Accounts, Systematically "Farming" New Recruits, Illegal Point Collecting, **Point Dumping** etc.
o Major/Severe Infractions follow a shortened vacation escalation scale of: Warning, One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.
**Note: Due to the nature of Point Dumping having an impact of the integrity of the game, your account will be suspended first until the issue can be resolved.**

If an account ever reaches a Permanent Forum or Permanent Live Chat Vacation, their next infractions may be bumped up to a Permanent Website Vacation.[/spoiler]

Considering FredVIII had both a Permanent Forum and Live Chat Vacation, in addition to a past history of a Major/Severe Infraction (Account Sitting Abuse), a Permanent Website Vacation was issued and warranted.

Hope that clears some things up.


--Andy

Permanent Forum and Live Chat Vacation were FredVIII's punishment for having his account taken over... which I can understand to limit the CC drama I guess, but taking that into consideration for Perma Banning a member of CC?

Account Sitting Abuse was totally bs, I know because it was pinned with me too. I babysat his account as anyone sits for someone else.

And numerous warnings? No, he didn't get any.

So really, no rules broken except trolling possibly, as I stated before. There are many users who deserve to be banned more than FredVIII.

it wont lany is pissed

You'd best stop trolling and leave the intelligent talk to the big boys. I can speak for myself please.

[the.killing.44]

it wont lany is pissed

Kyle, kindly shove the f**k off and stop trolling. And don't post his real name, that's private information. PERMABAN!

The moderation has fallen off a cliff. You've dealt with this like you did DM — instead of "taking past into consideration," like you said, you've really let it take TOO much part in your decisions. In this case I think you've taken his bans and warnings from the past, and while I agree they should definitely play a part in a warning/ban's decision-making, you fail to take the CONTEXT and the infraction ITSELF into equal consideration. This is something that has come up repeatedly, mostly recently, and the appropriate response always shows itself: "Foe and rate accordingly" has come up. But here, when this same situation comes up, you've looked into the past too much and really said, "Oh, you've gotten banned before — we don't like you!" The same thing happened with DM.

In the very rule set you quote, there's this:

# Banter and some trash talking IS allowed in the Game Chats, so don't waste time complaining about that.
# You may not be used to hearing or reading those "four-letter words", but some people do and will use them. This isn't a reason to open a complaint about the player; just kindly ask them to stop or ignore them.

So please, why would you PERMABAN someone over this rule set that says that the very action he took was not against the rules that you yourself cited broke no rules!

And what will happen to the 100+ points I'm going to lose?

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