New World Order - Love's Got The World In Motion

[Woodruff]

I have a pretty relevant question - how do small arms do, generally speaking, against nuclear weapons? Because, frankly, if the NWO uses nuclear weapons, I'm not quite sure how my hypothetical handgun is going to counter said nuclear weapons. Further, if the NWO uses some sort of biological threat and holes up in some underground bunker, will it matter if we all had firearms?

I guess my point is, your insistence that we be well-armed may have good intentions, but will it truly be effective?

Holy shit man, use your fuckin' head.

After immense global destruction, nuclear weapons will not function. Do you think you can launch a missile without electricity?

When your enemies (the people you want to control) are living 1 mile away from you, do you think nuking them is a good idea?

I am talking about post-catastrophe. This is all a setup for that. With no catastrophe, the powers that be would be happy with the status quo. They are planning for the future.

They don't want to hole up in a bunker and then come out and work for themselves. They want to hole up in a bunker and then come out and rule the fuckin' world. What fuckin' words don't you understand?

Honestly, the stupidity of people on this site is frustrating.

But yet again, you are overlooking the obvious...these people are allegedly ALREADY IN CONTROL for the most part. Since they are evil masters and have put themselves in that position, we'll presume that they're NOT COMPLETELY STUPID. IF they are, in fact, NOT completely stupid, then WHY would they want to put themselves into a position where they would NOT BE in control, for the most part? None of you has cleared this up. Since you're talking about how stupid we are, perhaps you could give it a go?

Still nobody willing to clear this up?

Jay? Prowler? Captain? Anyone?

[jay_a2j]

I have a pretty relevant question - how do small arms do, generally speaking, against nuclear weapons? Because, frankly, if the NWO uses nuclear weapons, I'm not quite sure how my hypothetical handgun is going to counter said nuclear weapons. Further, if the NWO uses some sort of biological threat and holes up in some underground bunker, will it matter if we all had firearms?

I guess my point is, your insistence that we be well-armed may have good intentions, but will it truly be effective?

Holy shit man, use your fuckin' head.

After immense global destruction, nuclear weapons will not function. Do you think you can launch a missile without electricity?

When your enemies (the people you want to control) are living 1 mile away from you, do you think nuking them is a good idea?

I am talking about post-catastrophe. This is all a setup for that. With no catastrophe, the powers that be would be happy with the status quo. They are planning for the future.

They don't want to hole up in a bunker and then come out and work for themselves. They want to hole up in a bunker and then come out and rule the fuckin' world. What fuckin' words don't you understand?

Honestly, the stupidity of people on this site is frustrating.

But yet again, you are overlooking the obvious...these people are allegedly ALREADY IN CONTROL for the most part. Since they are evil masters and have put themselves in that position, we'll presume that they're NOT COMPLETELY STUPID. IF they are, in fact, NOT completely stupid, then WHY would they want to put themselves into a position where they would NOT BE in control, for the most part? None of you has cleared this up. Since you're talking about how stupid we are, perhaps you could give it a go?

Still nobody willing to clear this up?

Jay? Prowler? Captain? Anyone?

Well, watch the video's in my last post for starters. Secondly, this NWO, which undeniably exists, will set up the end of the age, without it Christ wouldn't be able to come back. (Because scripture says IT WILL HAPPEN)

Now, how much of this overlaps with what Alex Jones is pushing... I do not know. I do know that one man will have the power to control whether you can buy or sell goods. (by taking his mark) I do know that he will seem god-like and many will worship him. I do know that things will be very bad here on Earth while he is here- in power.(Till Christ comes and destroys him)

But I don't even know if the US will be here or not to see all this.... they are oddly left out of the final battle.

[2dimes]

Well let's say there's no upperclass and they are not messing with anything.

Obviously education would continue to advance, racism would have dissapeared and the american unionised workers would continue to build ever increasingly high quality products for a lower cost due to higher productivity and superior technology. Just like every other pre 1990 decade after world war II.

Your average North American would continue to make huge returns on all the stock market trading they were doing, uninterupted by (and I hate to bring it up because I'm not a pancake theory guy and like to imagine it was some badly dressed women with really sharp knives but even if it was, come on, nearly a decade and things have not returned to normal?) 9/11.

I guess you're right there's no one at the top preventing that from happening and blaming the general population ie. unions, while the clearly missunderstood CEOs ride their private jets to ask for a baleout, citing the threat, "If we don't suck up their tax money, we may loose american jobs." Some how moving plants to mexico was going to help save american jobs?

Woodruff not withstanding, because he's in a government industry that's run to appear non-profit. Who makes more money at a union job. The "Greedy Union" workers or the upper management and owner? Personally I'm going to go with, "It's probably not the dude who brings his lunch to work and has never been in a private jet." Oh and the people that made huge money for half a century off the American Auto industry when the stock was more solid an investment than Gold and Real Estate, probably have not moved to investing in China. I'm sure all your teacher buddies are making tons of money there.

Finally the United States of America will continue to be the provider of the finest in affordable customer service specifically in airtravel.

[Snorri1234]

Well, watch the video's in my last post for starters.

Why can't you talk about this thing you are so "in the know" about without referring to videos?

Secondly, this NWO, which undeniably exists, will set up the end of the age, without it Christ wouldn't be able to come back. (Because scripture says IT WILL HAPPEN)

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How does that answer the question?

Now, how much of this overlaps with what Alex Jones is pushing... I do not know. I do know that one man will have the power to control whether you can buy or sell goods. (by taking his mark) I do know that he will seem god-like and many will worship him. I do know that things will be very bad here on Earth while he is here- in power.(Till Christ comes and destroys him)

Well that sounds perfectly reasonable.

But I don't even know if the US will be here or not to see all this.... they are oddly left out of the final battle.

Wait...I thought Obama was him.

[2dimes]

They are so vastly ournumbered, they need to kill off vast numbers of people... billions. The population that they mean to control, they believe, is too large... They mean to "prune" the tree... thin the heard. We are nothing more than consumers to them... and they milk us for the labor that we do to promote their power. As it stands now... they cannot sustain the growing population... or at least, the control over it.

Don't worry the cell phone is in use in countries that don't have cable and have their "filtered" internet. People are natural born consumers, they just need to be offered the goods to consume.

Blah blah blah prune the tree...

Kill the polulation? Why bother when you can give them media that promotes dissention and racism, indebt them, break the economy, help them think Jesus would want them to buy a gun and shoot a police officer that's just taking an order to climb in their window or worse.

Controlling you will never be a problem, "Look out it's teh floride!!" I know floride is better used as a topical solution applied to teeth and causes some adverse health issues when ingested in too high a volume but if it was a mind control substance, it would have been put in the food chain or water without your knowledge.

Fear is the way they control us and you are obviously afraid because I used to want peace via supperior fire power when I was afraid.

[Woodruff]

I have a pretty relevant question - how do small arms do, generally speaking, against nuclear weapons? Because, frankly, if the NWO uses nuclear weapons, I'm not quite sure how my hypothetical handgun is going to counter said nuclear weapons. Further, if the NWO uses some sort of biological threat and holes up in some underground bunker, will it matter if we all had firearms?

I guess my point is, your insistence that we be well-armed may have good intentions, but will it truly be effective?

Holy shit man, use your fuckin' head.

After immense global destruction, nuclear weapons will not function. Do you think you can launch a missile without electricity?

When your enemies (the people you want to control) are living 1 mile away from you, do you think nuking them is a good idea?

I am talking about post-catastrophe. This is all a setup for that. With no catastrophe, the powers that be would be happy with the status quo. They are planning for the future.

They don't want to hole up in a bunker and then come out and work for themselves. They want to hole up in a bunker and then come out and rule the fuckin' world. What fuckin' words don't you understand?

Honestly, the stupidity of people on this site is frustrating.

But yet again, you are overlooking the obvious...these people are allegedly ALREADY IN CONTROL for the most part. Since they are evil masters and have put themselves in that position, we'll presume that they're NOT COMPLETELY STUPID. IF they are, in fact, NOT completely stupid, then WHY would they want to put themselves into a position where they would NOT BE in control, for the most part? None of you has cleared this up. Since you're talking about how stupid we are, perhaps you could give it a go?

Jay? Prowler? Captain? Anyone?

Well, watch the video's in my last post for starters. Secondly, this NWO, which undeniably exists, will set up the end of the age, without it Christ wouldn't be able to come back. (Because scripture says IT WILL HAPPEN)
Now, how much of this overlaps with what Alex Jones is pushing... I do not know. I do know that one man will have the power to control whether you can buy or sell goods. (by taking his mark) I do know that he will seem god-like and many will worship him. I do know that things will be very bad here on Earth while he is here- in power.(Till Christ comes and destroys him)
But I don't even know if the US will be here or not to see all this.... they are oddly left out of the final battle.

How does that relate to the fact that the NWO (if such an animal exists) is already in control and would only stand to LOSE control by implementing "immense global destruction"? I'm not talking about any religious reasons...I'm talking common sense and WHAT REASONS WOULD THE NWO HAVE FOR DOING THIS? You didn't really answer that here...perhaps you could try?

[Woodruff]

Woodruff not withstanding, because he's in a government industry that's run to appear non-profit.

I'm quite curious as to how you believe that high schools are a for-profit industry...perhaps you could provide some thought on that?

[2dimes]

Woodruff not withstanding, because he's in a government industry that's run to appear non-profit.

I'm quite curious as to how you believe that high schools are a for-profit industry...perhaps you could provide some thought on that?

Well gosh, I was just kidding. Right? I mean there's never been a corrupt individule to profit off that system. Any contract ever awarded was completed by honest people that provided the best quality goods or service at the lowest cost. As you can see from my spelling it's also quite sucessfull at doing what it's suposed to.

If the people that profit off it were easy to expose it would possibly prevent and at least reduce it from happening.

I presume to know that you're not getting wealthy off of it (unless I'm confused on that and you are) hopefully the people above you are not either. There probably is some, I like to hope most, that are being run well with all funds going where they should. If you believe all are, good for you, enjoy your bliss.

Cordially yours;
CaptainCrazy

[2dimes]

Oh and here's your chance to come back and win the argument. I might not remember accidently responding to you but my motivation was the same as your's and the NWO's.

Our nature is to try and lord our powerfull knowledge over the other humans.

It's even better if you can get them to bring you a well cooked meal and beverage of choice while you're controlling them or relaxing at the holiday property.

[jay_a2j]

How does that relate to the fact that the NWO (if such an animal exists) is already in control and would only stand to LOSE control by implementing "immense global destruction"? I'm not talking about any religious reasons...I'm talking common sense and WHAT REASONS WOULD THE NWO HAVE FOR DOING THIS? You didn't really answer that here...perhaps you could try?

The reason is spiritual period. Satan wants to be god. Within this NWO system he will be worshiped as god by many people and those who refuse will be killed.


The stage must be set for Satan to achieve "god-hood". THAT is the reason for the NWO doing this. They are willingly or unknowingly setting the stage for the fulfillment of Scripture.


If you are looking for a reason like, "So the world's economy can prosper", "So that nations will stop waring with other nations"...etc. That's something that might be said is the reason we "need an NWO" but I just stated above the real reason.

[Woodruff]

Woodruff not withstanding, because he's in a government industry that's run to appear non-profit.

I'm quite curious as to how you believe that high schools are a for-profit industry...perhaps you could provide some thought on that?

Well gosh, I was just kidding. Right? I mean there's never been a corrupt individule to profit off that system. Any contract ever awarded was completed by honest people that provided the best quality goods or service at the lowest cost. As you can see from my spelling it's also quite sucessfull at doing what it's suposed to.

So essentially then, what you're saying is that you have no idea what you're talking about? Is that the point you're trying to get across? Because that's what I'm getting from your post. Unless you're implying that there is ANY industry that doesn't have corruption. I certainly cannot think of any.

[Woodruff]

How does that relate to the fact that the NWO (if such an animal exists) is already in control and would only stand to LOSE control by implementing "immense global destruction"? I'm not talking about any religious reasons...I'm talking common sense and WHAT REASONS WOULD THE NWO HAVE FOR DOING THIS? You didn't really answer that here...perhaps you could try?

The reason is spiritual period. Satan wants to be god. Within this NWO system he will be worshiped as god by many people and those who refuse will be killed.

Satan is not the individual members of the NWO. I am asking for an explanation for the motivation for the individual members of the NWO to act as you claim they will. You have not yet provided that explanation. Do you have one?

If Satan wants power, well the NWO apparently already has that. He doesn't need to wreak global destruction to accomplish it...he already has it!

The stage must be set for Satan to achieve "god-hood". THAT is the reason for the NWO doing this. They are willingly or unknowingly setting the stage for the fulfillment of Scripture.

I don't care what some book says. YOU may believe that book is an accurate predictor of future events, but that book is in no way a STATEMENT OF FACT. It is a book that requires faith, which is not relevant to this particular discussion.

If you are looking for a reason like, "So the world's economy can prosper", "So that nations will stop waring with other nations"...etc. That's something that might be said is the reason we "need an NWO" but I just stated above the real reason.

No, I'm looking for a reason for why the individual members of the NWO would want to GIVE UP THEIR POWER. They're ALREADY IN POWER.

[jay_a2j]

How does that relate to the fact that the NWO (if such an animal exists) is already in control and would only stand to LOSE control by implementing "immense global destruction"? I'm not talking about any religious reasons...I'm talking common sense and WHAT REASONS WOULD THE NWO HAVE FOR DOING THIS? You didn't really answer that here...perhaps you could try?

The reason is spiritual period. Satan wants to be god. Within this NWO system he will be worshiped as god by many people and those who refuse will be killed.

Satan is not the individual members of the NWO. I am asking for an explanation for the motivation for the individual members of the NWO to act as you claim they will. You have not yet provided that explanation. Do you have one?

If Satan wants power, well the NWO apparently already has that. He doesn't need to wreak global destruction to accomplish it...he already has it!

The stage must be set for Satan to achieve "god-hood". THAT is the reason for the NWO doing this. They are willingly or unknowingly setting the stage for the fulfillment of Scripture.

I don't care what some book says. YOU may believe that book is an accurate predictor of future events, but that book is in no way a STATEMENT OF FACT. It is a book that requires faith, which is not relevant to this particular discussion.

If you are looking for a reason like, "So the world's economy can prosper", "So that nations will stop waring with other nations"...etc. That's something that might be said is the reason we "need an NWO" but I just stated above the real reason.

No, I'm looking for a reason for why the individual members of the NWO would want to GIVE UP THEIR POWER. They're ALREADY IN POWER.

That breeze you feel on the top of your head... that was "the point" and your answer. Satan wants the WHOLE WORLD, not "individual members".

[MeDeFe]

How does that relate to the fact that the NWO (if such an animal exists) is already in control and would only stand to LOSE control by implementing "immense global destruction"? I'm not talking about any religious reasons...I'm talking common sense and WHAT REASONS WOULD THE NWO HAVE FOR DOING THIS? You didn't really answer that here...perhaps you could try?

The reason is spiritual period. Satan wants to be god. Within this NWO system he will be worshiped as god by many people and those who refuse will be killed.

Satan is not the individual members of the NWO. I am asking for an explanation for the motivation for the individual members of the NWO to act as you claim they will. You have not yet provided that explanation. Do you have one?

If Satan wants power, well the NWO apparently already has that. He doesn't need to wreak global destruction to accomplish it...he already has it!

The stage must be set for Satan to achieve "god-hood". THAT is the reason for the NWO doing this. They are willingly or unknowingly setting the stage for the fulfillment of Scripture.

I don't care what some book says. YOU may believe that book is an accurate predictor of future events, but that book is in no way a STATEMENT OF FACT. It is a book that requires faith, which is not relevant to this particular discussion.

If you are looking for a reason like, "So the world's economy can prosper", "So that nations will stop waring with other nations"...etc. That's something that might be said is the reason we "need an NWO" but I just stated above the real reason.

No, I'm looking for a reason for why the individual members of the NWO would want to GIVE UP THEIR POWER. They're ALREADY IN POWER.

That breeze you feel on the top of your head... that was "the point" and your answer. Satan wants the WHOLE WORLD, not "individual members".

I'm starting to think it would be worth it to welcome him if he can get you to make sense.

What the red guy with the horns and the pitchfork wants does not matter. Here, let me spell it out:

A small clique of people is in control of virtually everything, they control the global economy, they decide who is elected head of state in any country, they decide which people become secretaries in any government, they nod off any policy before it is implemented, they control as good as all media and largely decide what people get to hear and see.
Why would this small group of people want to change the status quo? Leave the devil out of your answer and tell us.

[Woodruff]

How does that relate to the fact that the NWO (if such an animal exists) is already in control and would only stand to LOSE control by implementing "immense global destruction"? I'm not talking about any religious reasons...I'm talking common sense and WHAT REASONS WOULD THE NWO HAVE FOR DOING THIS? You didn't really answer that here...perhaps you could try?

The reason is spiritual period. Satan wants to be god. Within this NWO system he will be worshiped as god by many people and those who refuse will be killed.

Satan is not the individual members of the NWO. I am asking for an explanation for the motivation for the individual members of the NWO to act as you claim they will. You have not yet provided that explanation. Do you have one?

If Satan wants power, well the NWO apparently already has that. He doesn't need to wreak global destruction to accomplish it...he already has it!

The stage must be set for Satan to achieve "god-hood". THAT is the reason for the NWO doing this. They are willingly or unknowingly setting the stage for the fulfillment of Scripture.

I don't care what some book says. YOU may believe that book is an accurate predictor of future events, but that book is in no way a STATEMENT OF FACT. It is a book that requires faith, which is not relevant to this particular discussion.

If you are looking for a reason like, "So the world's economy can prosper", "So that nations will stop waring with other nations"...etc. That's something that might be said is the reason we "need an NWO" but I just stated above the real reason.

No, I'm looking for a reason for why the individual members of the NWO would want to GIVE UP THEIR POWER. They're ALREADY IN POWER.

That breeze you feel on the top of your head... that was "the point" and your answer. Satan wants the WHOLE WORLD, not "individual members".

If he controls the NWO (as you claim he does), then he ALREADY HAS "the whole world".

[Gregrios]

Personally I don't think the NWO has the quite the power that some believe them to have. I confidently believe that their power will take it's largest leaps once globalization of everything is complete. I see their present power as nothing more than a great influence on world affairs but by no means do they make the decisions.

Now to answer your question Woodruff, on what would be the motives for the NWO, well it depends. If they're purposely working for Satan then it's simple, they would be doing it for Satan and the lies he's promised. Now if it has nothing to do with Satan, then it's pure greed and lust for power. You've got to understand that both greed and power are additive and cause people to want more and more with little to no logic when it comes to getting their next fix. It's like any other addiction in that sense. So whether the NWO has surpreme power at this present day or not, the addiction is the reason assuming they're not agents of Satan.

You seemed to be fairly earnest in your attempt to get answers so I hope I've helped in shedding a little light on the situation.

[Woodruff]

Personally I don't think the NWO has the quite the power that some believe them to have. I confidently believe that their power will take it's largest leaps once globalization of everything is complete. I see their present power as nothing more than a great influence on world affairs but by no means do they make the decisions.
Now to answer your question Woodruff, on what would be the motives for the NWO, well it depends. If they're purposely working for Satan then it's simple, they would be doing it for Satan and the lies he's promised. Now if it has nothing to do with Satan, then it's pure greed and lust for power. You've got to understand that both greed and power are additive and cause people to want more and more with little to no logic when it comes to getting their next fix. It's like any other addiction in that sense. So whether the NWO has surpreme power at this present day or not, the addiction is the reason assuming they're not agents of Satan.
You seemed to be fairly earnest in your attempt to get answers so I hope I've helped in shedding a little light on the situation.

I will give you this, Gregrios, at least you gave me a real answer that at least has some logic behind it (I'll leave off what I think of Satan actually speaking to anyone) instead of just dodging everything...thank you for that.

[xelabale]

So is my analysis wrong?

Correct.

Elucidate

[TheProwler]

So is my analysis wrong?

Correct.

Elucidate

Fornicate











you.

[Hologram]

Hmmm, the argument that captain's putting forth actually makes a lot of sense to me. I mean, if I were in their position, I had the financial pull to effectively control most if not all of the developed world, I would want to create contingencies in case things suddenly went apeshit and I happened to survive.

But I dunno, that's just me.

My problem with this "NWO" is just that I don't care. If you can give me reasons to care, well hey, I might be here with you spouting on about it all.

[xelabale]

So is my analysis wrong?

Correct.

Elucidate

Fornicate

you.

And thus we have conclusively proved Prowler to be simply trolling rather than engaging in a conversation or discussion. In the vein of snorri I shall be refraining from feeding the troll from now on.

[TheProwler]

I'm just tired of this whole thread.

You started it under the guise of being genuinely interested in expanding your knowledge. But you've since proven that you are not open to any new ideas at all.

So who's the troll?

[2dimes]

So who's the troll?

Pick me, pick me.

[xelabale]

I'm just tired of this whole thread.

You started it under the guise of being genuinely interested in expanding your knowledge. But you've since proven that you are not open to any new ideas at all.

So who's the troll?

Okay, so elucidate why my analysis was incorrect

[Carebian Knight]

This argument has descended into an “I’m right and your wrong” stage. Fortunately that’s the part I like best.

@Woodruff: Most of the posts by the so called “conspirators” are aimed toward why the NWO doesn’t want to lose power. So why do you constantly ask why they would want to, when the opposite has already been said? They have said that the NWO is simply planning for the future in case the highly believed 2012 prophecy comes true. They have no control over natural disasters and just about everything is predicted to happen, not just by “conspiracy theorists” but by trusted scientists as well. Want to bet how many of them are more educated than you? Your need for fact for everything is going to kill you someday. Fact isn’t always the answer, sounds odd doesn’t it, and isn’t always available. Sometimes faith and belief is all you have to go on. Someone stated that you’ve been bred to believe otherwise or something to that effect. They were right, from an early age you are told to only except fact, but most of the time the facts aren’t always true. Facts today come mostly through the media(need I say more?)

Alright, I just want to see if I have the right idea about what is supposed to happen if the 2012 prophecy comes true. This is the captain crazy side.

1. NWO has lost the power it once had, now that society has collapsed; the social empire they have built means nothing. They now use the remains of their followers and new followers gained with false promises to take back control of the Earth using the method of killing everyone that disagrees with them. (Closely follows the biblical way of thinking)
2. A resistance will start from the people that knew this was coming and whatever followers they have gathered. For this resistance to work effectively, preparations should be made now. Papers talking about how the more simple side of technology is created should be written and stored in as safe a location as possible.
3. Both sides will have to deal with restarting economies from scratch. Food will basically be scavenged for a few months until farms have returned to workable status. Both sides will depend on stored seed banks or have to scavenge for the seeds from old farms, if any are left.

So you are basically saying that preparation now, will lead to a much easier revolution in the future and we should be doing everything we can to stop the current NWO from gaining the upper hand. Protecting things like the 2nd Amendment, so that we can stockpile weapons for the fight.

Honestly I don’t have an opinion in this. I grew up with the Catholic Bible and have just recently decided to say screw the Catholic Church and started thinking on my own. No, I’m not an atheist, I’m just not Catholic anymore. I do believe that the 2012 prophecy is very possible and agree with captain crazy on the need to prepare now. I also believe that a NWO does exist, whether they have as much power as captain says they do I’m not sure about, but they do have influence.