SultanOfSurreal wrote:you are retarded, straight-up. support for a public option from obama since he's been in office has wavered between barely-tepid and nonexistent, because he is a wholly owned subsidiary of the health insurance lobby. he would never in a million years actually try to force them out of business, they funnel too much money to him. and the same goes for almost all of congress, too.
the bill that eventually passes will not include a public option (or only an incredibly weak one), and therefore amount to little more than a gigantic handout to private insurance interests, and therefore be completely useless. that conservative stains like you think the major problem with this bill is that it's SOCIALISM or whatever the f*ck, is baffling, but ultimately expected seeing as you're all ignorant trash
Sniffle... you made me cry Sultan. I suggest you do a few things: (1) take your left hand out of your asshole (it's gotta hurt by now right?); (2) go borrow an English-language thesaurus from one of your college buddies and look up some new words (you know, like synonyms for "retarded," "ignorant," and "trash." They've lost their luster; and (3) read the healthcare bill (I know it's tough.. no cliff notes or anything; much longer than the Communist Manifesto so you may have some trouble, but stick with it and you'll be done in a few weeks). If there are some big words in there, that's okay. I heard President Obama is going to talk to your school and he'll be able to explain what those big words mean.
Anyway, my major problems with the bill are that (1) it could lead to government-run healthcare (we already have socialism in healthcare so whether the bill provides for that or not is a moot point), and (2) it does more than what the supporters of a health insurance bill want it to do. All the government needs to do to solve the problem of health insurance in the US is (1) place greater restrictions on what private health insurers have to cover and (2) provide health insurance for those that cannot afford private health insurance. It would be a short bill. So, when the bill does more than it needs to do, of course I question the wisdom of such a bill, the collective intelligence of supporters of the bill (especially those, like you, who have not read it), and the impetus behind such a bill.
I doubt the US government will do any of these things. I sort of agree with Sultan that Congress will want to help out their buddies in the health insurance industry, mores the pity. See, the problem with people like you Sultan is that you stick to these tired tropes of political parties and you love your government (well, you love your government if the leadership is Democrat). Perhaps once you finish school you'll begin to have an appreciation for the idea that our government, no matter who is in power, works for the interests of whomever helps get them elected (usually a corporation, union, or non-profit group).
There's only that much to avoid the (correct) label of communism. The numbers should be flipped, at minimum, to actually be considered a private market: 85% private and 15% government. You're right, if this health care bill passes, the US will not have universal health care. But it's virtually guaranteed to happen in 10-20 years; the proponents of this bill even go as far as stating this is the first step toward that goal. It's much easier to not go down a road than it is to stop and turn around.
