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I really don't know much about the political parties in Britain, so I'm hoping some of you Limeys can help educate me. About all I know is the Labour Party is one of them, but I have no idea what they stand for, etc.

The other one I know about is the BNP, but that's largely because they're a part of the Galactic Empire (like neocons are here in the States), and as such, end up with wonderful internet videos.

Here's a good one:

Nick Griffin vs. Question Time


So Brits, we talk an awful lot about American politics on this forum, lets hear some more about yours. I'm honestly curious.
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Labour party - Big-government, social-engineering, public-secter-wasters, high spending and borrowing eco-fuckers consisting of cantankerous jocks, darkies and weird people.

Conservatives - Party that likes hunting foxes and using strong language to pretend that they dislike dole-bunnies and gypsies. Consists of guffawing, upper class brats.

Liberal democrats - f*ck knows what they stand for - no one listens to them... consists of paedos and sexual deviants.

BNP - They dislike wogs. Consists of 7 foot tall, meat headed football hooligans.

Green party - They wish to live in a world full of pixies, fairies and candyfloss mountains. Consists of pale, ill-looking homosexuals.

SNP - They dislike England, and would like to subject their fellow scots to poverty beyond belief without the generous benefits system england provides them with. Consists of people who dont actually live in scotland.
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Umm..... I'm still confused.
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So are the British :lol:
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Nope, the British know what they like.

If I were a politician and pledged to decriminalise fox-hunting, but then reassurre the greens by planting an apple tree, and increase dole benefits by 10% to please the labour suppoters, I'd be King of England.
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GabonX wrote:So are the British :lol:


Yep! :lol:
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pimpdave wrote:I really don't know much about the political parties in Britain, so I'm hoping some of you Limeys can help educate me. About all I know is the Labour Party is one of them, but I have no idea what they stand for, etc.

OK, there's 3 major political parties
# The Labour Party (leader - Gordon Brown (previously Tony Blair))
# The Conservative Party ("The Tories") (leader - David Cameron)
# The Liberal Democrats (leader - Nick Clegg)

Labour are currently in power, and have been since 1997. They're traditionally the most left wing/socialist party of the three, and the majority of their funding still comes from trade unions. Since the early 90s they've gradually shifted towards centre-right economically speaking - although they do still stand very much for equal rights and generally them being in power does benefit people who're less well off. Traditionally their support comes from the big cities plus Scotland and Wales ... it's very much a working class party, although it does attract a little support from the middle class.
The Conservative Party, usually referred to as "The Tories" (their original party name) are the oldest political party in the world! They were in power from 1978 until 1997, and had an iconic leader in the form of Maggie Thatcher for the majority of the time. People tend to have strong feelings towards her - mostly hatred, but some really love her. She was very much in favour of the free market - and the Tories in general stand for "traditional family values" and the free market. They're probably the closest to the Republican party in the US. They're traditionally the party of the upper and middle classes.
The Liberal Democrats - aka the Lib Dems - are the third biggest party. They've not been in power since the 1920s, although they do attract a sizable vote still (around 20%). They're a centre-left party, although not really a 'socialist' one, and generally have a stronghold of support in the middle classes, plus the more educated working classes. They're probably closest ot the Democrats.

In addition there's a few regional political parties ...
# The Scottish National Party (leader - Alex Salmond)
# Plaid Cymru (leader - Ieuan Wyn Jones)
# The Democratic Unionist Party (leader - Peter Robinson)
# Sinn Fein (leader - Gerry Adams)
# SDLP (leader - Mark Durkan)

The Scottish National Party are a centre-left party who are in support of full Scottish independence from England - currently Scotland has the same kind of power that a 'state' does within the US. They've recently become the largest supported political party in Scotland, ahead of Labour.
Plaid Cymru hold a similar view about Wales. Wales has some independence from England, but it's much less than a State would enjoy in the US. Plaid are centre-left too. I've got a feeling that Plaid, Labour and the Lib Dems are roughly equally supported in Wales.
The Democratic Unionist Party are politically centre-right and are in favour of Northern Ireland remaining part of the UK
Sinn Fein are allegedly the political wing of the Irish Republican Army (a terrorist organisation which has been inactive for the past decade or so), who are in favour of Northern Ireland becoming part of the Republic of Ireland. They're centre-left.
SDLP are another centre-left, Northern Irish party who are in favour of Northern Ireland becoming part of the Republic of Ireland ... although they don't have any supposed associations with the I.R.A.

Finally, there's a few minor political parties which attract a small amount of the vote
# The British National Party (BNP)
# The Green Party
# The UK Independence Party (UKIP)

The BNP are a far right political party with known sympathies towards the Nazi party and Klu Klux Klan.
The Green Party are an enviromentalist (hippy ;)) party
UKIP are a centre-right party in favour of Britain becoming totally independent from the rest of Europe

They're really not worth more than one line - none of those parties will get in to power - it's highly unlikely they'll make a significant impact on British politics
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Personally I'm a Liberal Democrats supporter, mostly because I think that whilst Labour represent my views quite well economically & socially, they're far more authoratarian than I would like. The Lib Dems seem to have it sorted.

However, I would vote for Labour rather than the Tories as personally I dislike their ideas on welfare and soforth.

The BNP raise quite a few eyebrows and get more publicity than they deserve because they really are a far right party - in favour of deporting non-whites and soforth - and as a consequence people get quite worked up about them! They're the only party that I would leave the UK without hesitation if they got in to power, although I don't think there's much chance of that as they do have a very low share of the vote (2%-ish at the moment* - and this is the strongest they've been for ages)



* I know they got 6% at the EU elections, but that was mostly because not many people bothered to vote! As an absolute number, their support is going down
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Here we go ... it's a bit awkward to tell who's who, but :

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The 'blue' is the Conservative party - those are mostly rural areas
Red - Labour. They dominate the industrial cities of the north
Orange - Liberal democrats
Yellow in Scotland (top of the mainland) - Scottish National Party
Green in Wales (the southern-western bit on the mainland) - Plaid Cymru
Northern Ireland (the 'island' on the left) - not a clue! I'd guess the dark green was Sinn Fein, light green SDLP and the red DUP - but I really don't know.
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I just checked out the unscrambled version of the video pimpdave posted, and I've got to say, the British sure don't pull punches. Is that how all political debate is over there?
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happy harry wrote:Labour party - Big-government, social-engineering, public-secter-wasters, high spending and borrowing eco-fuckers consisting of cantankerous jocks, darkies and weird people.

Conservatives - Party that likes hunting foxes and using strong language to pretend that they dislike dole-bunnies and gypsies. Consists of guffawing, upper class brats.

Liberal democrats - f*ck knows what they stand for - no one listens to them... consists of paedos and sexual deviants.

BNP - They dislike wogs. Consists of 7 foot tall, meat headed football hooligans.

Green party - They wish to live in a world full of pixies, fairies and candyfloss mountains. Consists of pale, ill-looking homosexuals.

SNP - They dislike England, and would like to subject their fellow scots to poverty beyond belief without the generous benefits system england provides them with. Consists of people who dont actually live in scotland.


I understand virtually none of this, but I prefer it to any other explanations.
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Frigidus wrote:I just checked out the unscrambled version of the video pimpdave posted, and I've got to say, the British sure don't pull punches. Is that how all political debate is over there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Ps7fJm7rk
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thegreekdog wrote:
I understand virtually none of this, but I prefer it to any other explanations.



You Sir, are a man of taste.

I think we can all take solace in the fact that wherever in the world you are, and that whatever you believe in, that party-politics is an utter bastardisation of any democracy based system, and we're all rocking in the same mushroom boat... fed on shit and kept in the dark... fed on shit and kept in the dark.. fed on shit and kept in the dark.
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thegreekdog wrote:
happy harry wrote:Labour party - Big-government, social-engineering, public-secter-wasters, high spending and borrowing eco-fuckers consisting of cantankerous jocks, darkies and weird people.

Conservatives - Party that likes hunting foxes and using strong language to pretend that they dislike dole-bunnies and gypsies. Consists of guffawing, upper class brats.

Liberal democrats - f*ck knows what they stand for - no one listens to them... consists of paedos and sexual deviants.

BNP - They dislike wogs. Consists of 7 foot tall, meat headed football hooligans.

Green party - They wish to live in a world full of pixies, fairies and candyfloss mountains. Consists of pale, ill-looking homosexuals.

SNP - They dislike England, and would like to subject their fellow scots to poverty beyond belief without the generous benefits system england provides them with. Consists of people who dont actually live in scotland.


I understand virtually none of this, but I prefer it to any other explanations.


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happy harry wrote:Nope, the British know what they like.

If I were a politician and pledged to decriminalise fox-hunting, but then reassurre the greens by planting an apple tree, and increase dole benefits by 10% to please the labour suppoters, I'd be King of England.


Then you would have no real political power anyway since you're a constitutional monarchy.
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Frigidus wrote:I just checked out the unscrambled version of the video pimpdave posted, and I've got to say, the British sure don't pull punches. Is that how all political debate is over there?


Not really. It's just that mostly everyone dislikes the BNP because they're a bunch of lunatic nazis and so the party never got any screentime but on that show they did so everybody took it as an opportunity to make fun of them.
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And just to correct this statement:

The BNP are a far right political party with known sympathies towards the Nazi party and Klu Klux Klan.
The Green Party are an enviromentalist (hippy ;)) party
UKIP are a centre-right party in favour of Britain becoming totally independent from the rest of Europe

They're really not worth more than one line - none of those parties will get in to power - it's highly unlikely they'll make a significant impact on British politics


The Green Party has:

125 local councillors.
2 MEPs (Members of european parliamant)

UKIP has:

100 local councillors
13 MEPs
2 House of lords representatives

BNP has:

56 Local councillors
2 MEPs
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beezer wrote:
Then you would have no real political power anyway since you're a constitutional monarchy.


I have political power???

TELL ME MORE!
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happy harry wrote:The Green Party has:

125 local councillors.
2 MEPs (Members of european parliamant)

UKIP has:

100 local councillors
13 MEPs
2 House of lords representatives

BNP has:

56 Local councillors
2 MEPs

Hmmm ... but none have any power in the House of Commons, which is the one that counts. Don't get me wrong - I'm by no means belittling the efforts of the Green Party and it does go to show that there are people who care about those issues - but inside the House of Commons, which is the one which has the majority of the power, none are represented and none are likely to be represented. Even on a local scale, Labour has around 8000 local councillors. I dunno what the other 2 big parties look like in that respect, but it's probably reasonable to say that between the three parties they have 20,000-ish local councillors - puts the BNP's 56 in to perspective.
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AlgyTaylor wrote:Hmmm ... but none have any power in the House of Commons, which is the one that counts. Don't get me wrong - I'm by no means belittling the efforts of the Green Party and it does go to show that there are people who care about those issues - but inside the House of Commons, which is the one which has the majority of the power, none are represented and none are likely to be represented. Even on a local scale, Labour has around 8000 local councillors. I dunno what the other 2 big parties look like in that respect, but it's probably reasonable to say that between the three parties they have 20,000-ish local councillors - puts the BNP's 56 in to perspective.


I agree with you that local councillor's powers are somewhat limited, and even negligible in small fractions, however, you've scooted over the UKIP's large holding of our European MEP allocation.

Of the 736 MEPs, Britain is allocates 72 MEPs, of which UKIP has 13. And since 75% of British laws are decided in this parliament, I would call that some real political presence.

MEPs have more power over British laws than any British MP.
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happy harry wrote:MEPs have more power over British laws than any British MP.


MEPs as a whole maybe but not one MEP over one MP...
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I'd say 13 MEPs probably don't hold that much sway over politics in Britain, no.
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AlgyTaylor wrote:I'd say 13 MEPs probably don't hold that much sway over politics in Britain, no.


No? what is your reasoning for this belief?

You obviously do not have a great deal of knowledge about the European parliamant. Currently, even if a small section of the parliamant Vetos a proposal, that proposal will not be able to be enforced.

Since the UKIP tends to lead the way for the Freedom and democracy group within the EU parliamant - which is the only genuinely EU-sceptic party within the house, I would go as far as to say that they have more effective power than most within the EU than the Conservative representatives, who have 26 MEPs and belong (apart from a certain person who dared to go against the party line) to the EPP (European peoples party - the largest party within the EU) due to the current unanimous nature to law passing within the EU.
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What everyone forgets is that the BNP is a perfectly 100% legal political party. If they weren't they wouldn't exist. As for myself, I hate bloody politics. They make life so bloody complicated.

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JoshyBoy wrote:What everyone forgets is that the BNP is a perfectly 100% legal political party. If they weren't they wouldn't exist. As for myself, I hate bloody politics. They make life so bloody complicated.

Cheers, JB ;)


Joshy, there's no doubting that they are a legal political party, despite the occasional lawyer or self-publicist trying to expose them for the idiotic, meat-headed cunts they are.

They're only as much a bunch of cunts as the average nanny-state supporting labour voter is.. not everyone can be as intelligent as me, i concede.
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