Aalmeida17 - farming [Warned]

[tdans]

If these games were public games in the first place and everyone were free to join, what do we have here that constitutes farming? Setting up games that attracts new recruits?

After realizing that a certain game type fills up with only NR's, starting over 100 games of this game type is targeting new recruits.

Do you want us to set a precedent that a player should only set a limited number of games of the same settings to avoid farming?

No, I'd like you continue the precedent you set with Tezu and Krapht and make Aal stop making these games (in addition to a point reset).

OH just can it fool...... we should have the freedom to do whatever we want... We pay.. and the New recruits dont mind... If you start making it to where we can only make a certain amount of games on a map cause new recruits join them.. i will leave cc and wont come back.. this is turning into some type of retarded site... i stayed on this site cause of the fuedal map.. and you banned that now from recruits.. CC is going down the drain cause of nitwits and numbskulls.. seriously?? leave it like it was... all this changing will do you more harm than good..

Look. I don't really have a position on the whole banning NR's thing. I just want to see consistency.

P.S. Shouldn't banning NR's from Feudal only raise your enjoyment of the map?

kinda.. it takes forever to fill one now.. but its a whole lot more challenging.. but what i was saying is... Nr's liked fuedal cause it loooked cool ..they took that away and now they are thinking about something else>?? limiting a premium player??? seriously??? thats what has me upset...

[alex951]

Why am I going to buy premium if I have restrictions? I rather only have 4 slots then this crap.

[alex951]

Aalmeida17 is not farming

[the.killing.44]

Sheesh. You make it sound like they're going to actually implement something.

For the record, if they did, I think they'd lose hundreds of premium members, everyone in this thread included.

Aalmeida17 is not farming

What an insightful statement…

[nippersean]

Aalmeida17 is not farming

Just where did you pull that one from??? Got shit to back it up with???

[Bones2484]

Aalmeida17 is not farming

Just where did you pull that one from??? Got shit to back it up with???

Alex's proof is being in the same clan as Aalmeida.

[alex951]

The only thing this Guy is guilty of is making a lot.of 5 player games and thats it. He did not join ? Games. Any map that is colorful and looks easy attracts new players because they are simpler to understand. CC needs to find a better way of introducing ? Instead or putting restrictions on us.

[nippersean]

Alex - you's half decent looking but you don't half talk shit - read the thread

What part of systematic and targeting dont u understand??

[tdans]

Alex - you's half decent looking but you don't half talk shit - read the thread

she has read it.... Almeida is taking advantage of NR's cause he knows they will join his games.. but where in the rules does it say that you cant make a game if you know a Nr will join it??

[Bones2484]

Alex - you's half decent looking but you don't half talk shit - read the thread

she has read it.... Almeida is taking advantage of NR's cause he knows they will join his games.. but where in the rules does it say that you cant make a game if you know a Nr will join it??

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't that the ENTIRE point of the no farming rule?

[alex951]

Alex - you's half decent looking but you don't half talk shit - read the thread

What part of systematic and targeting dont u understand??

They are public games anyone can join them. Is it his fault that you or anyone else did not join his game?

He is being accussed of farming by making public games? That's dumb.

Farming should only be when a player exclusively joins ? Games.

[The Neon Peon]

Well, that's the thing. Premium accounts do not have any limitations in creating games. If he wants to set up a number of games with the same settings, that is allowed.

That would make sense if there were under 50 games.

However, he must have had at least 50 filled with all new recruits before starting the next 50 games (since there is a 50 game waiting limit). I think there's a rule against making 50 games that you already know will only fill with new recruits.

In this case, he would have had to start a ton of games, watched them fill with new recruits, start a bunch more games, watch all those fill with new recruits, then start some more.

It is idiocy to say that this is not against the rules because there is a tiny chance that for some reason, in some time in the future, people will start joining the games now, even if they did not in the last 50, or the 50 before that.

[tdans]

Well, that's the thing. Premium accounts do not have any limitations in creating games. If he wants to set up a number of games with the same settings, that is allowed.

That would make sense if there were under 50 games.

However, he must have had at least 50 filled with all new recruits before starting the next 50 games (since there is a 50 game waiting limit). I think there's a rule against making 50 games that you already know will only fill with new recruits.

In this case, he would have had to start a ton of games, watched them fill with new recruits, start a bunch more games, watch all those fill with new recruits, then start some more.

It is idiocy to say that this is not against the rules because there is a tiny chance that for some reason, in some time in the future, people will start joining the games now, even if they did not in the last 50, or the 50 before that.

you can always hope theyll join

[Snowgun]

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't that the ENTIRE point of the no farming rule?

Pardoned!

No, the farming rule does not and should not have anthing to do with ?'s joining your games on their own (with no invites, or tricks with drops, ect).

I think a good way of looking at it is active and passive. If you play a lot of games with ?'s and they came to you on their own, and you are not ACTIVLY dropping or holding invites or anything, then it should be let be.

Why? because any RULES that are made to deal with "Passive" playing of ?'s will only restrict premium players. Either restrict the ?'s further (which will not make them want to join CC very much) or just FUCKING educate them on not biting off more than they can chew.

Noob Orienteering! Just like going to college!

[The Neon Peon]

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't that the ENTIRE point of the no farming rule?

Pardoned!

No, the farming rule does not and should not have anthing to do with ?'s joining your games on their own (with no invites, or tricks with drops, ect).

I think a good way of looking at it is active and passive. If you play a lot of games with ?'s and they came to you on their own, and you are not ACTIVLY dropping or holding invites or anything, then it should be let be.

Why? because any RULES that are made to deal with "Passive" playing of ?'s will only restrict premium players. Either restrict the ?'s further (which will not make them want to join CC very much) or just FUCKING educate them on not biting off more than they can chew.

Noob Orienteering! Just like going to college!

I have no clue what you are blabbering about.

The rule was set in place because a much higher percentage of the new recruits that join farmers' games leave. Only a small amount stay. Take a look at all those games in the first post, and see how many of those people have stayed to play even 5 games and rank up. It's simply a matter of having a bunch of new recruits in one game. No matter how "nice" or "helpful" the farmer is to the new recruits, having half of the players deatbeat keeps the others from staying.

"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options and the fact the New Recruits are more likely to deadbeat. Some players have been farming extensively - even sending hundreds of PMs to the latest members to get them into their games.

This is a gross abuse of the game. It gives the New Recruit "victims" a poor first experience and reduces the chances of them sticking around. As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques.

[Ace Rimmer]

They are public games anyone can join them. Is it his fault that you or anyone else did not join his game?

He is being accussed of farming by making public games? That's dumb.

Farming should only be when a player exclusively joins ? Games.

But it's not. Always. Sometimes. Maybe.

There is no clear precedent, it just depends. Bringing this to the C&A mods attention is the right thing to do, whether or not Aalmeida17 was in the wrong.

Great history of farming put together by Alstergren: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p2273783

Most important by LoVo: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p2274475

After a discussion with other mods I have decided to issue Krapt with a warning.
The high % of new recruits is a worry, but mostly the fact that Krapht admits that he knows these games attract new recruits and he contiuues to create the games. We consider this a grose abuse of the game as it creates annoying and unwelcoming gaming atmospheres for the New Recruits involved.
Lack is in the process of adding Feudal to the mpas that new recruits can't play. When that happens I dont know, but he has been again made aware that it is a map used for farming. So he is 'on it'.

lv

[nippersean]

Alex - you's half decent looking but you don't half talk shit - read the thread

What part of systematic and targeting dont u understand??

They are public games anyone can join them. Is it his fault that you or anyone else did not join his game?

He is being accussed of farming by making public games? That's dumb.

Farming should only be when a player exclusively joins ? Games.

Nope - whether you agree with the rule or not it's targeting + systematic - if you can't work it out i'll leave it with you, it ain't that difficult to work it out. Systematic and targeting are the keywords.

[nippersean]

Alex - you's half decent looking but you don't half talk shit - read the thread

What part of systematic and targeting dont u understand??

They are public games anyone can join them. Is it his fault that you or anyone else did not join his game?

He is being accussed of farming by making public games? That's dumb.

Farming should only be when a player exclusively joins ? Games.

And nope Alex check what happened to Krapht1 - you's way too literal and behind the times cos people worked ways round that obvious one. Its about systematic + targeting! Do you really think that just joining ? games is the only way this happens???

[Bones2484]

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't that the ENTIRE point of the no farming rule?

Pardoned!

No, the farming rule does not and should not have anthing to do with ?'s joining your games on their own (with no invites, or tricks with drops, ect).

I think a good way of looking at it is active and passive. If you play a lot of games with ?'s and they came to you on their own, and you are not ACTIVLY dropping or holding invites or anything, then it should be let be.

Why? because any RULES that are made to deal with "Passive" playing of ?'s will only restrict premium players. Either restrict the ?'s further (which will not make them want to join CC very much) or just FUCKING educate them on not biting off more than they can chew.

Noob Orienteering! Just like going to college!

I appreciate your response, but you missed a very important word in the post I had responded to originally. Let me bold it for you:

but where in the rules does it say that you cant make a game if you know a Nr will join it??

Making games that you enjoy and having NR's join is not a problem. Making games that you enjoy knowing that only NR's will join is a problem.

[alex951]

i understand but i just don't agree. there has to be a better way

let me think about the issue. here is a user that has made games that for some reason attract ?. this is frowned upon by cc right?

so their solution is to hunt down every user that makes lots of games that attract ? (this is the part i disagree with because i see it as cc is limiting paying members right to play/start any game they want)

so should cc limit ? games instead of paying members?

would limiting ? to only 1v1 games until they receive their first rank help control this so called farming?

[alex951]

Making games that you enjoy and having NR's join is not a problem. Making games that you enjoy knowing that only NR's will join is a problem.

but we all know what maps ? will join. any easy board colorful 5 player map. well for the most part.

are you telling my that i am not allowed to make 30 of the same game? or how bout 10 for 3 maps?

[Bones2484]

are you telling my that i am not allowed to make 30 of the same game? or how bout 10 for 3 maps?

I'm not telling you anything. I don't run the site or create the rules.

Anyways. No one seemed to see my first post.

Why are NR's allowed to play Manual? All of the games in question are Manual, which is easily farmable if people don't know what to do.

edit: Alex, if these games weren't Manual I would completely agree with you. It's stupid to punish people for who joins their games. But the fact that EVERY one of these games are Manual and he KEEPS making them? It's targeting new recruits. You can't deny that.

[the.killing.44]

This is pretty funny. Half the point of the no farming rule was to stop people from doing exactly what aal is doing: starting games with full knowledge that ?'s are going to fill most, if not all, of them. aal, don't try to deny that after the first set—hell, after going through dukefleed's games and joining one—you didn't know ?'s were going to join them all. I hate using friends as examples, but:

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?s ... so=&page=7

Bottom of
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?s ... so=&page=7
Top of
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?s ... so=&page=8

It's not just about joining or inviting.

[alex951]

put you cant avoid ? look at this shit


Game 6150213
Game 6150211
Game 6150176
Game 6150200
Game 6149703

i made games on different maps and guess who the majority users were ?

it doesnt matter what map you just cant avoid them

i could make 30 of each of these maps and ? would join them

and what would happen if i did someone would report me thus limiting my games

and thats my problem that my games will be limited because ? join them

[the.killing.44]

put you cant avoid ? look at this shit


Game 6150213
Game 6150211
Game 6150176
Game 6150200
Game 6149703

i made games on different maps and guess who the majority users were ?

it doesnt matter what map you just cant avoid them

i could make 30 of each of these maps and ? would join them

and what would happen if i did someone would report me thus limiting my games

and thats my problem that my games will be limited because ? join them

You're just ignorant if you haven't figured out what game types ?'s flood to by now.