hey look obama's making good on a promise

[Snorri1234]

You do realise that your orginal quote is showing where you say "Congress should be more concerned about the country", right?

[barbie]

You do realise that your orginal quote is showing where you say "Congress should be more concerned about the country", right?

Yes, but I didn't say congress was the one who threw out the idea, that came from the White house. Eventually it would have to end up in congress and it would take away from more pressing issues.

[SultanOfSurreal]

You do realise that your orginal quote is showing where you say "Congress should be more concerned about the country", right?

Yes, but I didn't say congress was the one who threw out the idea, that came from the White house. Eventually it would have to end up in congress and it would take away from more pressing issues.

congress does far less important shit all the time. they have non-binding resolutions to recognize famous singers' birthdays, to condemn random pundits who said dumb shit, to commemorate the anniversies of statehood for the different states. now if you think congress should be locked in a box until they use their magic powers to fix the economy, that's totally cool (and retarded) but you should begin by criticizing them for doing these relatively meaningless things before you move on to condemning them for at some point in the future maybe considering an important policy change that would affect millions. that's just my opinion though, i dunno what the moron bloc here thinks

[thegreekdog]

"moron bloc"

[spurgistan]

The pentagon only suggests stuff and then congress has to pass it. The point was congress should be more concerned about the country they are, at this moment ,bankrupting. It was an issue thrown out there to get people talking about that issue instead of the crappy job being done with out economy.

dadt has been part of the national dialogue since its inception in 1993. this was not invented by congressmen last week to distract people. they haven't even begun to broach legislation concerning it yet. you are retarded.

I don't see anywhere where she claimed it was invented recently, only that it was brought up recently and she is correct in that.

she said congress is using it as a distraction when in fact this issue is not even being broached by congress in any way at the moment. that is pro-league tarded

I also didnt say "congress" was using it as a distraction. So let me type slower so you can understand. The ADMINISTRATION has brought up the issue to distract people. Their economic plans thus far have stunk and with elections creeping closer it is an issue they could use.

"Stunk" is an odd way to say "failed to completely cure the massive shitstorm that the present administration inherited, and also possibly discover unicorns." I mean, people talk about the short-term memory in politics, and then there's blaming Obama for the crisis.

[Snorri1234]

lol?

[natty dread]

What's the difference between "homosexuals" and "gay men & lesbians"?

[Woodruff]

What's the difference between "homosexuals" and "gay men & lesbians"?

I think that's the point of the "lol?". I find that poll, if it's real, to be very frightening...in several ways.

[Snorri1234]

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/11 ... 8284.shtml

We know that the wording of a question can affect the outcome, but this is just crazy.

[spurgistan]

What's the difference between "homosexuals" and "gay men & lesbians"?

If I had to venture a guess (and, as a budding social scientist, guessing is basically what we do) I would say that "homosexuals" refers to a socially deviant practice, while "gay men and lesbians" refer to people. It's a matter of focusing on the fact that DADT keeps qualified gay individuals out of the armed forces rather than the broader question of allowing homosexuality in the armed forces.

[Neoteny]

lol?

I like that. A very nice illustration.

[HapSmo19]

If I had to venture a guess (and, as a budding social scientist, guessing is basically what we do)...

You know you could've just bought one of these, don't you?:

[rockfist]

Its a CBS poll so they probably polled Democrats, which would explain the differences in the numbers...

[thegreekdog]

lol?

So, I studied this chart. Here are my explanations:

(1) CBS polled different people for each question and each label.
(2) Men like lesbians and thus want them to serve in the military.
(3) The Europeans are right, we're stupid.

[natty dread]

The Europeans are right, we're stupid.

Can I sig that?

[Snorri1234]

So, I studied this chart. Here are my explanations:

(1) CBS polled different people for each question and each label.
(2) Men like lesbians and thus want them to serve in the military.
(3) The Europeans are right, we're stupid.

Actually, I think it has more to do with the explanation spurgistan offered. The labels and their use in political and religious speak affect the views of people. 'Homosexuals' brings up GAYSEX images in some people whereas "gay" simply denotes a trait much like "atheist" or "muslim". Obviously the polls were on different people, but with a big enough sample size that doesn't matter.


It's thinking of them as a group vs thinking of them as individuals. It's like the "oh I've met some okay people from group X/group X is full of criminals, rapists, immoral peeps". I've heard christians say in the same sentence that they have gay friends but hate "the lifestyle"

[HapSmo19]

(3) The Europeans are right, we're stupid.

Which is still a damn sight better than being european.

[thegreekdog]

The Europeans are right, we're stupid.

Can I sig that?

Absolutely! I think it's true.

[SultanOfSurreal]

So, I studied this chart. Here are my explanations:

(1) CBS polled different people for each question and each label.
(2) Men like lesbians and thus want them to serve in the military.
(3) The Europeans are right, we're stupid.

obviously they polled different people for each question. if you asked someone the second question right after the first, they would probably give the same response. the whole point of the poll is how terminology affects the debate. there should not be such a huge difference between the percentages for each response, even with two different samples -- this difference is far beyond a sampling error. obviously the phrase "homosexuals" has some sort of sinister connotation to addle-minded middle americans

[Woodruff]

So, I studied this chart. Here are my explanations:

(1) CBS polled different people for each question and each label.
(2) Men like lesbians and thus want them to serve in the military.
(3) The Europeans are right, we're stupid.

obviously they polled different people for each question. if you asked someone the second question right after the first, they would probably give the same response. the whole point of the poll is how terminology affects the debate. there should not be such a huge difference between the percentages for each response, even with two different samples -- this difference is far beyond a sampling error. obviously the phrase "homosexuals" has some sort of sinister connotation to addle-minded middle americans

Middle Americans? You talk of ignorant bigotry, yet you're a prime example of it.