Man arrested for talking about God at CA mall

[Timminz]

exactly. therfore this should not make news. the only reason it is is because he is a mean hateful christian. who was also being contratry to his own beliefs.

MY opposition is that BECAUSE he is christian he has no rights...but whatever...also being a christian implys telling others so in reality he COULD be a christian in the same way a guy could be gay.

the rules of Being a christian mean telling others so lol in reality he was prevented from being his religion in a certain place.

Do we kick muslims out of malls for wearing their head coverings...some people might be nervous shopping with a hooded person...but we couldn't do that because its their religion...does no one see this?

Oh, hi there. You wouldn't happen to know where I might be able to find the new copy of Raving Lunatic Monthly, would you?

[PLAYER57832]

the rules of Being a christian mean telling others so lol in reality he was prevented from being his religion in a certain place.

No, Christianity does not mean you need to talk to strangers in a mall when you have been asked to stop. Nor is it an effective means of conveying anything so significant. Among other things, the chances of finding someone in the US who has never heard of Christianity is pretty slim. Plenty of people talk about Christianity, what you too rarely find are people actually practicing Christianity.

[hecter]

exactly. therfore this should not make news. the only reason it is is because he is a mean hateful christian. who was also being contratry to his own beliefs.

MY opposition is that BECAUSE he is christian he has no rights...but whatever...also being a christian implys telling others so in reality he COULD be a christian in the same way a guy could be gay.

the rules of Being a christian mean telling others so lol in reality he was prevented from being his religion in a certain place.

Do we kick muslims out of malls for wearing their head coverings...some people might be nervous shopping with a hooded person...but we couldn't do that because its their religion...does no one see this?

Oh, hi there. You wouldn't happen to know where I might be able to find the new copy of Raving Lunatic Monthly, would you?

Oh, I do believe it's right beside Ignoring Facts Weekly.

[AAFitz]

exactly. therfore this should not make news. the only reason it is is because he is a mean hateful christian. who was also being contratry to his own beliefs.

MY opposition is that BECAUSE he is christian he has no rights...but whatever...also being a christian implys telling others so in reality he COULD be a christian in the same way a guy could be gay.

the rules of Being a christian mean telling others so lol in reality he was prevented from being his religion in a certain place.

Do we kick muslims out of malls for wearing their head coverings...some people might be nervous shopping with a hooded person...but we couldn't do that because its their religion...does no one see this?

Ok, I think I translated that after reading it a few times.

What should and should not make the news is really up to the news station. Most are in the entertainment industry, not the news industry, so there is nothing that should or should not necessarily be in the news. Its up to the reader, or watcher to decide whats news worthy.

Being christian does not imply telling others. It certainly does not imply that one must preach to others when it is against the rules. Comparing it to someone who simply is gay makes no sense. (If I have somehow misinterpreted the bolded paragraph, I apologize. It simply went beyond my ability. I think maybe posting it in french would be more helpful. At least that I can plug into a translator.)

the rules of being a christian do not include breaking the rules of others personal property, or disobeying the law.

He was not kicked out for wearing a I love jesus T shirt, or wearing a priests clothing. he was kicked out for preaching about them...and there is no doubt that a preacher of allah, would have been kicked out just as quickly if he did the same thing. Or a preacher of any religion, or global warming, or baseball or anything.

[sully800]

And the other point that I don't think has been brought up: This same preaching scenario could occur and no one in the mall be bothered or uncomfortable in the slightest. If that were to happen, then there would be no reason for the man to stop preaching. In fact if people enjoyed what he had to say the store owners might encourage him to continue and to come back again.

However, they viewed his preaching as a detriment to their businesses and asked him to stop. When he refused to follow the rules he was punished.

Its possible, but still probable that due to safety regulations and possibly even fire codes, that if there were too many people gathered in an inappropriate area of the mall, that even if the people were laughing at genuine humor, and not just...well...you know that they would still have been asked to leave.

If Billy Joel went to the mall and tried to sing, hed be asked to leave, and arrested if he didnt, for the ensuing riot he was causing. It would have nothing to do with the fact that people were offended by the Uptown Girl song. It would simply be against store policy, and he does not have the right to do it. If however, he just wanted to walk through and shop... there is no question he would have that right...though he may still have been asked to leave.

Completely agreed. In your scenario of a large pleasant crowd there would be good reasons (mostly safety) to prevent people from jamming up in one area. But I still hold to my earlier statement - if NO ONE had a problem with it, the man would have been free to continue unabated. The problem is, a lot of people genuinely don't like talking about religion and therefore the store owners stand to lose business if this is conducted at their store.

It doesn’t matter if you’re religious or not, does anything make you feel more uncomfortable than some stranger going, ‘I’d like to talk to you about Jesus?’

[THORNHEART]

do i need to post bible referances where jesus said if you follow him it is your duty to preach him?

or how about the one where the disciples are beaten for preaching in the temple and then released and the go back and do it again and when asked why they are doing it again the say we ought to obey god rather than man.

Now christians do not follow the teachings of the bible much anymore which is why i find them hypocritcal .

you may disagree with my conclusions but do not presume to be a doctor of christianity when your not. you will not beat me in a biblical arguement.

oh about those magazines i believe you might find them in Obamas desk in the oval office

[Neoteny]

do i need to post bible referances where jesus said if you follow him it is your duty to preach him?

or how about the one where the disciples are beaten for preaching in the temple and then released and the go back and do it again and when asked why they are doing it again the say we ought to obey god rather than man.

Now christians do not follow the teachings of the bible much anymore which is why i find them hypocritcal .

you may disagree with my conclusions but do not presume to be a doctor of christianity when your not. you will not beat me in a biblical arguement.

oh about those magazines i believe you might find them in Obamas desk in the oval office

How about the Bible verses about obeying the law?

What about common sense about private property?

[THORNHEART]

your a moron because i specifically said in several posts that this man was wrong to continue when asked to stop.

that doesnt mean that he wasnt just following what he believes.

what a F***ing noob you are read the whole thread before posting

It also doesnt change what is written in the bible.

[Neoteny]

your a moron because i specifically said in several posts that this man was wrong to continue when asked to stop.

that doesnt mean that he wasnt just following what he believes.

what a F***ing noob you are read the whole thread before posting

It also doesnt change what is written in the bible.

I don't think I need to list the reasons you are a moron, but it's clear that I don't give a f*ck what you said earlier, or what you think (and I use that word very loosely). The Bible can be used to justify anything, including not preaching in a mall, so Christianity does not necessarily imply preaching wherever, regardless of what this moron believes. The argument is pointless, just like most of your posts.

[THORNHEART]

then no book justifies anything.

The koran is pointless and doesnt justify anything---tell that one to a muslim.

your just stupid and dont know how to debate. most of you people on here just thrive of commenting off others posts but u rarely offer a valid opinion or a solution.
yor an expert at mocking but not saying anything that proves your point or that disproves someone

[Neoteny]

then no book justifies anything.

The koran is pointless and doesnt justify anything---tell that one to a muslim.

your just stupid and dont know how to debate. most of you people on here just thrive of commenting off others posts but u rarely offer a valid opinion or a solution.
yor an expert at mocking but not saying anything that proves your point or that disproves someone

lol I've told that to a Muslim. I've got minerals in real life too. Glad to see that you're scared of Muslims though. Sorry about that, big guy.

No book justifies anything. Justification requires much more than scriptural parroting. I know you aren't a fan of Christianity, so I don't know why this is a big deal to you.

I've made my point, and made it in my first post. There is no reasonable justification in the Bible for what this guy was doing. As far as mocking goes, you're the first person to start calling names in this conversation, and I responded in kind. Now that you've complained about getting your own shit put back in your own face, I'll wait for you to go tell the teacher.

Run along.

[THORNHEART]

again you prove nothing. just insult.typical. let me guess...you voted for obama he is the saviour and you hate Bush and Palin.

[Neoteny]

again you prove nothing. just insult.typical. let me guess...you voted for obama he is the saviour and you hate Bush and Palin.

Look, I'm not going to keep repeating myself. You can reread my posts if you ever need to actually come across any valid information. Until then, stay away from those CRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZYYYYYY Muslims, and try not to pigeonhole yourself with such ridiculous statements.

[natty dread]

AARGH!! Stupidity overdose!

Thornheart, I'm going to sue you for causing me a facepalm attack.

Your last 10 posts or so in this thread have all been pointless, logically flawed, ignorant, stupid and pointless.

your a moron because i specifically said in several posts that this man was wrong to continue when asked to stop.

that doesnt mean that he wasnt just following what he believes.

what a F***ing noob you are read the whole thread before posting

It also doesnt change what is written in the bible.

What is or is not written in a bible does not make one inch of difference here. Freedom to practice the religion of your choice does not imply that this freedom also enables you to harass others in the name of your religion.

Ie. If some guy has a crazy religion that says he must kill every stupid person he sees, he will still be convicted for several murders when he does so, and can't defend himself by "I was just following what I believe".

Therefore your whole argument of this man just following what he believes is moot and pointless.

the rules of Being a christian mean telling others so lol in reality he was prevented from being his religion in a certain place.

Do we kick muslims out of malls for wearing their head coverings...some people might be nervous shopping with a hooded person...but we couldn't do that because its their religion...does no one see this?

You are again making completely flawed and irrational comparisons. Read back in the thread, my last post about the differences between being and doing.

Clothing as a part of religion is part of the freedom of expression. Wearing religious clothing may make some people uncomfortable but the people who wear them are not actively harassing other people, they only offend the others by what they are. Thus they cannot be accused because of it.

I'm not a christian but I certainly know that christianity does not compell you to harass others. Even if it did, see my example earlier: the freedom of religion can not be extended to justify acts that offend or hurt other people.

[jonesthecurl]

exactly. therfore this should not make news. the only reason it is is because he is a mean hateful christian. who was also being contratry to his own beliefs.

MY opposition is that BECAUSE he is christian he has no rights...but whatever...also being a christian implys telling others so in reality he COULD be a christian in the same way a guy could be gay.

the rules of Being a christian mean telling others so lol in reality he was prevented from being his religion in a certain place.

Do we kick muslims out of malls for wearing their head coverings...some people might be nervous shopping with a hooded person...but we couldn't do that because its their religion...does no one see this?

Oh, hi there. You wouldn't happen to know where I might be able to find the new copy of Raving Lunatic Monthly, would you?

Oh, I do believe it's right beside Ignoring Facts Weekly.

and Trolls and Trolling

[jay_a2j]

My point being here, there is a huge difference between a person making others uncomfortable by what he is and a person making others uncomfortable by what he does.

By what he does eh? Wow, we are putting all kinds of restraints on freedom aren't we? As long as it's LAWFUL, he can DO whatever he wants. It wasn't even a matter of "annoying customers" he had permission from the hearers to SPEAK. It is a case of the mall employee's who DID NOT WANT HIM SPEAKING. If he had been bashing Obama he probably would have been asked to leave also. However if he had been bashing W. Bush they probably would have joined in in the bashing. You have to remember that CA is soooooo liberal that even Army recruiters are banned in some places! So, their "ban on religious and political" talk only applies if it is AGAINST what they believe. Speech should never be controlled like that and the fact that there are people (look around this thread) who believe speech should be restricted speaks volumes at the direction that this country is headed.

[jonesthecurl]

Jay, if you reach any further for a point, your arms will be so long your knuckles will drag...
too late.

[PLAYER57832]

do i need to post bible referances where jesus said if you follow him it is your duty to preach him?

"preach", but in what context? In fact, most people to whom Christ preached already had some relationship with him and/or came to an open, advertised (by mouth, to the extent they could at the time) talk. The exceptions were when he directly challanged authority, when he spoke to fellow believers (Jews, remember he was Jewish) of the day in what were forums for speaking in that society.

or how about the one where the disciples are beaten for preaching in the temple and then released and the go back and do it again and when asked why they are doing it again the say we ought to obey god rather than man.

I see, you want to compare preaching in a privately owned mall to preaching in a temple, where you should know speakers were a common occurance. In fact, there is a lot of evidence that he was asked by some factions ... and upset others.

Now christians do not follow the teachings of the bible much anymore which is why i find them hypocritcal .

Christians are not perfect, just forgiven.

you may disagree with my conclusions but do not presume to be a doctor of christianity when your not. you will not beat me in a biblical arguement.

Really? I believe I already did ...
But people are free to disagree. We are gifted with open minds and the abilities to think things through. That, too is part of Christianity. It only becomes a problem when you decide that you have the right to push YOUR particular ideas onto others. In other words, if you wish to sit down at a coffee shop or park or anywhere else and have a calm conversation with someone you know -- fine. BUT, to claim that you have some obligation to go out and talk to every person you see in the street in the hopes of meeting 1 who might actually wish to hear you ... does far, far more harm to Christianity than good. AND, yes, it does harm people's business, which is why the mall limits that activity. In this case, there were specific areas where he could have preached. He chose to ignore that.

[Aradhus]

Two things:

(1) You guys (and by you guys, we all know who we mean) are weird and borderline insane. There's nothing wrong with what the store did. Pimp will remember that there was a preacher at our college campus that used to stand and wail about sluts (I believe he called my girlfriend a slut on more than one occasion... he was right... anyway...)

The difference: one is slanderous and the other is not.

Hmm... that's not why the preacher was removed. He was removed because he was making people uncomfortable on private property.

Speaking of religious conversion, when I was working the checkout counter at a supermarket back in the day, one of my customer's tried to convert me to his brand of Christianity. When I indicated that I was Catholic he started to yell at me about papists and the like; my manager had to ask him to leave. Pretty awesome.

You are catholic, or you were catholic?

Both.

Why? I get why simpletons like Jay and his ilk are, but with you it doesn't quite fit.(with what I know of you from your posts) I have a feeling you're a catholic for completely different reasons than someone like Jay is. With you it has little to do with faith.

[BigBallinStalin]

THis is a prime example of this fora.

5 people have already hit the nail on the head, maybe one guy says, "Hey, hold up.. I don't get it."

[john9blue]

Why? I get why simpletons like Jay and his ilk are, but with you it doesn't quite fit.(with what I know of you from your posts) I have a feeling you're a catholic for completely different reasons than someone like Jay is. With you it has little to do with faith.

I lol'd hard.

[thegreekdog]

Why? I get why simpletons like Jay and his ilk are, but with you it doesn't quite fit.(with what I know of you from your posts) I have a feeling you're a catholic for completely different reasons than someone like Jay is. With you it has little to do with faith.

That's interesting. Why do you think I'm Catholic?

For what it's worth, I don't think Jay and his ilk are Catholic. I would venture to say there are substantial differences between Catholicism and the other Christian-type religions.

[natty dread]

By what he does eh? Wow, we are putting all kinds of restraints on freedom aren't we?

Not really, no.

As long as it's LAWFUL, he can DO whatever he wants.

Point is, it wasn't lawful. He was on private property, and the law says that the owners of a private property have the right to decide what kind of activity they allow on their private property. When the owner of a private property says "we don't want you doing that here, please leave" and you disobey, you are not being "LAWFUL".

It wasn't even a matter of "annoying customers" he had permission from the hearers to SPEAK.

Completely irrelevant.

It is a case of the mall employee's who DID NOT WANT HIM SPEAKING. If he had been bashing Obama he probably would have been asked to leave also. However if he had been bashing W. Bush they probably would have joined in in the bashing.

Of which you have proof?

You have to remember that CA is soooooo liberal that even Army recruiters are banned in some places!

Oh, so now you're bashing on liberals? How very christian of you. Jesus was a liberal, you know.

So, their "ban on religious and political" talk only applies if it is AGAINST what they believe.

So you seem to want to believe, but in all actuality you have no proof of this whatsoever. But hey, don't let the facts get in your way.

Speech should never be controlled like that and the fact that there are people (look around this thread) who believe speech should be restricted speaks volumes at the direction that this country is headed.

You are reading far too much into this.... oh well, let's pretend you have a real argument here. Freedom of expression cannot be extended to justify harming or harrassing other people. This is a given. I hope I don't need to explain why. I hope, because I have some little faith left in humanity.

[Woodruff]

If I come to your lawn and preach something you disagree with, like the reality of evolution and nearly every aspect of say...science...

TMMLOL

[Woodruff]

do i need to post bible referances where jesus said if you follow him it is your duty to preach him?

No, because it's easy enough to provide counter-references where Jesus said to obey the laws of the land.

you may disagree with my conclusions but do not presume to be a doctor of christianity when your not. you will not beat me in a biblical arguement.

I am quite certain that is true. The reason I am quite certain of it is because it is impossible to win an argument with someone who refuses to recognize factual evidence.