Zombie Mafia - Day Four - Zombies win, Ga7 survives

[colton24]

What. The. Hell.?

[MountainLion]

Crap, you guys are right. No one is clear of suspicion.

[mandalorian2298]

As for the other death I'm thinking that the zombies act like a cult in the daytime recruiting/turning someone and then eating/killing another player at night. Every one of those bloodcurdling screams has to be a recruitment which means that those investigated early on would not stay town forever. in fact I would bet that this last scream came from ML as he was just 'cleared' by ga7, if you were a recruiter who would make a better target than someone supposedly now safe.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this theory that about cult recruiting but I think that recruiting the supposedly 'clear' ML is a little too obvious for it to be true. However, I do believe that we sadly cannot put any stock into any investigations that have taken place as there is the potential for them to have later been recruited. For all we know the individual just potentially recruited could be colton, ga7 or anyone else that has claimed so far. If gimpy's theory is correct, I would guess colton would be quite a good recruit as if we watches the right person get killed he would give the town some strong evidence and he can also later potentially fabricate evidence to frame someone and help win the game for scum. That being said, I feel like we are back at step one and the person we need to hit is this zombie cult recruiter, the head honcho or whatnot so I think colton, ga7, ML should be left aside for the moment and the bandwagons of proven townies walrus, safari etc. should be re-examined to see if anyone else came across as particularly scummy. We need to hit this scum quick before the zombies get too powerful. Also, where is mandy?

After reviewing my accomplishments in this game so far I have come to the conclusion that it would be most helpful for the Town if I were to refrain from helping for a while. It is obvious that colton is a watcher, Ga7 is a killer and unless we lynch scum soon we're in for a thriller. However, the 2 question remain: 1) Can we be sure that Ga7 is scum, seeing how this game seems to be high on Vigs? and 2) Can we afford to allow a confessed Townie-killer to walk away on reasonable doubt? Have we learned nothing from "Law Abiding Citizen"?

I am surprised and puzzled that someone decide to eat / as he is by far the skinniest nick among us. Perhaps we are dealing with zombies with modeling ambitions. If so, I would like to point out that I go straight to your thighs and that Talapus is way low on calories.

[gimpyThewonder]

i am loathe to admit that ga7 is likely town, or at least not a zombie, but given how the kill went down i'd have to admit he's relatively safe to leave alive, unless he plans on capping people all the time. if zombie movies have taught us anything its that frenemies are better than flesh eating ghouls.

[gimpyThewonder]

i'd like to hear from Iliad and PCM who have been fairly silent and since i'm sticking to my theory that zombies don't talk much am getting pretty suspicious of iliad in particular

[MountainLion]

Perhaps we are dealing with zombies with modeling ambitions. If so, I would like to point out that I go straight to your thighs and that Talapus is way low on calories.

[nagerous]

i'd like to hear from Iliad and PCM who have been fairly silent and since i'm sticking to my theory that zombies don't talk much am getting pretty suspicious of iliad in particular

Koesen, is there any chance we can get a prod on these players, thanks.

[nagerous]

Talapus also I think is due a prod, posting once a week doesn't cut it for a mafia game. Inactivity sucks.

[Koesen]

Prods have been sent to all three, as requested.

[Serbia]

Oooh, oooh, prod me, prod me!
Wait.

Ok, colton seems to be what he says. I tend to believe ga7 is town, which would then clear MountainLion too. I believe ga7 based on the death scene only though - because what other reason do we have to keep from lynching him? Because otherwise it just seems too perfect. But there is his argument that "if I were scum and knew him to be town, why would I risk killing him when he claims to record everything that happens around him at night?", which is a logical question. So I suppose that clears Frenchie too. So who was really pushing for safari's lynch? Off the top of my head, ga7 and pancakemix were. ga7 is 'cleared', so that would be pcm... I've got to go back over it all again, which ain't happening this morning, but maybe that last lynch attempt will give us some clues.

[Koesen]

*Prods Serbia*

If you don't get with it this minute, you'll spend the rest of the game posting Croatian limericks in pink. Last warning!

[pancakemix]

i'd like to hear from Iliad and PCM who have been fairly silent and since i'm sticking to my theory that zombies don't talk much am getting pretty suspicious of iliad in particular

I've already said this couldn't be. The mod wouldn't push for activity for people that can't talk.

Koesen, is there any chance we can get a prod on these players, thanks.

Completely unnecessary. I have more pressing issues to deal with. Example: leaving for school in 5 minutes. Not that I have much to add, but if you'd like, I can post something of little worth in a few hours when I get home.

[nagerous]

i'd like to hear from Iliad and PCM who have been fairly silent and since i'm sticking to my theory that zombies don't talk much am getting pretty suspicious of iliad in particular

I've already said this couldn't be. The mod wouldn't push for activity for people that can't talk.

Koesen, is there any chance we can get a prod on these players, thanks.

Completely unnecessary. I have more pressing issues to deal with. Example: leaving for school in 5 minutes. Not that I have much to add, but if you'd like, I can post something of little worth in a few hours when I get home.

Posting something is better than nothing, it is good to know our players are still in the land of the living. Also, gimpy isn't saying that zombies are completely muted that would be ridiculous but more to the point that they would tend to stay quiet on purpose and keep a low profile.

[nagerous]

i'd like to hear from Iliad and PCM who have been fairly silent and since i'm sticking to my theory that zombies don't talk much am getting pretty suspicious of iliad in particular

I've already said this couldn't be. The mod wouldn't push for activity for people that can't talk.

Koesen, is there any chance we can get a prod on these players, thanks.

Completely unnecessary. I have more pressing issues to deal with. Example: leaving for school in 5 minutes. Not that I have much to add, but if you'd like, I can post something of little worth in a few hours when I get home.

If you don't want to play and have more pressing issues like 'school', everyone here has work unless they are bums like frenchie here so I don't really see that as a viable excuse for inactivity, then maybe you should be replaced.

[Koesen]

i'd like to hear from Iliad and PCM who have been fairly silent and since i'm sticking to my theory that zombies don't talk much am getting pretty suspicious of iliad in particular

I've already said this couldn't be. The mod wouldn't push for activity for people that can't talk.

I don't like revealing more than strictly necessary, but there are no roles or mechanisms in this game that order people to be quiet. If people don't talk, it is either because they can't play for whatever reaon or because they chose to remain quiet.

[Talapus]

Talapus also I think is due a prod, posting once a week doesn't cut it for a mafia game. Inactivity sucks.

LOL.....one day later then your post of current thoughts and I need a prod huh? Cut me some slack, I'm still stuck in nowhere Nebraska on a business trip with crappy internet. Actually, crappy internet would be an improvement. But thank god for starbucks only 1 whole hour away...lol .

First off: *smacks* Mandy. I wouldn't eat people unless there was a side of some fava beans and a nice chianti. Besides, you have no idea what my diet as a model consists of.

At this point and after rereading, I'm totally ready to vote for iliad. I've never played in a game where he has been so quite and I think it probably has to do with the fact he may be scum. As for not trusting anyone, well I can buy that. I figured a game like this anyway would consist mainly of a 3rd party growing cult anyway. And by the sounds of the last midday action, cult was successful.

A vote for ga7 is the American thing to do and I'm sure it would make me feel better, but I'm not sure at this point it's the right decision. Odds are good there will be another day kill today once a bandwagon on someone gets started so there is always more potential for more information to be dropped later in the day. So I'd say we should probably let him hang around for awhile longer before we decide what to do.

No one is clear in this game as obviously 3rd party/zombies are making their moves during the night and by the sounds of it, the day time. So technically the only way we'd have a sure thing is for a cop to out someone first thing in the morning and us to kill them before the midday scene is posted. So, odds are really against the rest of us since that has yet to happen.

Out of all the potential suspects to vote for so far though, I'll vote: iliad. He has been the quietest out of everyone in this game and now that it's day 3 I find that really odd.

[Koesen]

Vote Count:

Ga7: 1 (Mountainlion)
Iliad: 1 (Talapus)

12 alive, 7 to lynch. Deadline Friday February 26, 10 AM EST.

[pancakemix]

If you don't want to play and have more pressing issues like 'school', everyone here has work unless they are bums like frenchie here so I don't really see that as a viable excuse for inactivity, then maybe you should be replaced.

Well, it's more like working consistently on a project to get a scholarship, and I can't get to CC from school, but I have a moment now, so I'll say something.

1. I support ga7's kill of safari, mainly because based on safari's activities yesterday and his relatively absurd role claim. I believe ga7 was acting in town's best interest when he pulled the trigger. Granted, that doesn't mean he's town now or even when he fired, but I would have pulled the trigger if I was in his shoes (Assuming he's telling the truth, of course. If he's non-zombie scum and thought he could get away with it, then yeah, I'd bite on that too (Heh. Bite. Zombie pun))

2. You, nag, are scaring me. Why? Because you're pushing very hard for activity. Yes, activity is good, and Illy's probably not going to show and will likely need replacing (MOD, take note of my opinion here). But I don't need a prod when I don't have any relevant input, and to suggest that I need replaced because "I don't want to play" is ridiculous, especially when I said I'd make a post when I got home. You need to take a chill pill. IGMEOY.

[F1fth]

It does seem to be the consensus that mafia are a cult type role, which is troubling because it casts doubt on all the players we have "cleared" so far. Both the investigations and investigators are in question because of this fact, in particular ga7 and colton.

However, that said I believe ga7 acted in a way consistent with how a townie JOAT might act, just as PCM has said, while colton has been providing investigations like we ask which appear to be accurate (unless they are putting on a big show together, which I doubt from colton). In my mind, they are likely town or at least were before today.

Now, we know it's still possible that one of them were recruited today, but they are already in the spotlight and there is very little room for them to slip up if they are scum. Given that, I'd agree with pursuing the most suspicious submariners for a good lead on one of the original zombies. Here's a short list of people I suspect, in no particular order:

1. Mandy -- he was extremely active early game and and gotten rather quiet now that all this information is going around. Watching his back maybe?
2. Nagerous -- just as PCM said, his pushing for activity is somewhat sketchy. Seems to be fishing for a bandwagon.
3. LSU -- most recently argued against ga7's killing of safari (which to me seems like building up evidence for a wagon) but then doesnt vote him. Incidentally, most people soon after said they believe ga7's actions to be pro-town, and he hasn't said anything. This seems to me like scum behavior, probing for a safe bandwagon.

For now, I'll Vote LSU because he's the person I find most suspicious at the moment

[MountainLion]

First off GA, I did not think that Safari was scum and we already had a death for the day. Without evidence from a cop, I was content to let him try to prove his point in what would've been a great role for town. Secondly, you really have a lot of nerve trying to FOS anyone that didn't vote at the end when you submarined the entire first day and then wanted one of us to kill off a protown role without actual evidence to support it. With that said, whoever is the doctor should protect Colton until we have our cop out to say who they discovered was guilty. I will be withholding my vote at this time because even though you behaved just as much like a moron as the day vigilante on day 1 with your hasty shot, I'm not convinced that you are scum at this time barring a cop telling me so or colton finding you at another person's house that wound up dead.

I agree completely that ga's kill was perhaps not the wisest given the his likelihood of being town, but the plus side is that the bandwagon on safari would likely have carried on for most of today, and by ga making that kill, he's both verified himself as a vig-type role (note that safari was "shot" and / was "eaten) and colton as a watcher (as safari's report matches with colton's account).

Now, if we have a cultish mafia, then there still might be a problem though. If ga's been recruited, then the mafia has two kills at night. Of course, a way to mitigate this is to have ga only shoot people that town agrees to shoot under threat of lynch. If he's takes any more potshots at townies, he's probably scum.

Would the wagon on safari have carried on? How do you KNOW that?

The only thing Ga7 verified is that he made a HUGE mistake that's hurt the town, and on top of that we can't even know at the moment if he's town.

How would "mafia" get two kills at night with Ga7? He's a JOAT, right?

3. LSU -- most recently argued against ga7's killing of safari (which to me seems like building up evidence for a wagon) but then doesnt vote him. Incidentally, most people soon after said they believe ga7's actions to be pro-town, and he hasn't said anything. This seems to me like scum behavior, probing for a safe bandwagon.

For now, I'll Vote LSU because he's the person I find most suspicious at the moment

Ga7 was not only given a "vig kill" but acted like a vigilante as well. We can say he took the law into his own hands, and you know what happens with vigilantes... they are seen as good in some eyes and bad in others, especially when he kills a pro-town player. And not just a pro-town player but one that would have either lasted until the end of the game or given us a scum result with his death. I agree with LSU's take on him (http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p2455340). Ga7 must have felt good about his decision to kill safari at the time, but it REALLY, REALLY hurt the town. His kill is both good and bad, but I think the bad is far worse. So what are we to do? At least in my eyes, you seem to be twisting LSU's post to be scummy.

[ga7]

Bah. Hey, my record is better than the day killer at least
I'm a JOAT with one shot of each, so I only have roleblock and doc protect left.
As for the "nerve" I've had shooting Safari, I did believe that on the remote chance he was town, it would have just saved us time since scum wouldn't have targeted him anyway and the wagon would have restarted the next day. We were only missing one vote, though it's ab it weird / was the double voter and didn't change it to him since he was voting him already. The people who didn't vote for him didn't post anything to his defense, so it's a bit easy...
Anyway I find LSU hard to believe since he seemed to think both previous day kills perfectly justified even though the arguments weren't so marked.

I protest playing like a moron. Just so happens I got a role that nobody would believe...

Sorry but next time you have a hard to believe claim, don't make it in several parts adding details etc... It's quite a strong tell IMO.
Seeing the zombies kill tonight I'm a bit worried that they concentrate both cultish and classic mafia powers, seems quite harsh, hopefully we'll have details when we finally get one of them heh. For now, Illy hasn't been posting since page 9 and opened his prod before according to Koesen, so that could be a good start.

Vote Illy

[Koesen]

Vote Count:

Ga7: 1 (Mountainlion)
Iliad: 2 (Talapus, Ga7)
LSU: 1 (F1fth)

12 alive, 7 to lynch. Deadline Friday February 26, 10 AM EST.

[Edited to insert the LSU vote I overlooked the first time.]

[Koesen]

Iliad is on a 24 hour warning.

[MountainLion]

Unvote

I would like F1fth to read my last post.

[F1fth]

Forgive me, I read it but there's a lot to respond to.

Would the wagon on safari have carried on? How do you KNOW that?

Because he hadn't been cleared and was still under suspicion, it stands to reason that we wouldn't just forget about the case the next day if he survived. Of course, an investigative role could have checked him out during the night, and his claiming to protect safari perhaps may have been preferred to vigging him (or maybe not, it's hard to tell), but at the moment we don't know even know if we have a cop.

The only thing Ga7 verified is that he made a HUGE mistake that's hurt the town, and on top of that we can't even know at the moment if he's town.

Hold on, ML, I'm not arguing that he made the best move for the good of the town. What I am arguing is that this kill doesn't necessarily mean he's scum (we wanna catch scum, not punish questionable play). What matters is whether you think he made that kill because he was scum/3rd party, or because he was a JOAT with a kill who was highly suspect of safari's unusual claim. I'm leaning towards the latter, and though I would not be opposed to returning to ga7's case if we produce no leads, I think that with 7 days until deadline we should use that time to probe members flying under the radar as of late.

How would "mafia" get two kills at night with Ga7? He's a JOAT, right?

Yes, he is. I missed his JOAT claim and assumed that if he was a killer he was probably another vig because it seems like we have quite a few of those types of roles. A scum-recruited vig would have been bad and I was worried about that.

Ga7 was not only given a "vig kill" but acted like a vigilante as well. We can say he took the law into his own hands, and you know what happens with vigilantes... they are seen as good in some eyes and bad in others, especially when he kills a pro-town player. And not just a pro-town player but one that would have either lasted until the end of the game or given us a scum result with his death. I agree with LSU's take on him (http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p2455340). Ga7 must have felt good about his decision to kill safari at the time, but it REALLY, REALLY hurt the town. His kill is both good and bad, but I think the bad is far worse. So what are we to do? At least in my eyes, you seem to be twisting LSU's post to be scummy.

It's not his words that I find suspect, but the lack of commitment to his words (and don't worry, I'm not just suspecting LSU because he's accusing someone I think is town ). Typical of scum-type behavior, he threw out a rather accusative post with no vote or follow-up. As scum, if people hop on that wagon then you would know it's safe to hop on as well, especially since you don't want to put yourself in the spotlight by starting a bandwagon. And as ga7 said, his attitude about the safari kill is not consistent with what he was saying earlier about the dayvig kills. I'm not going to say it's a be-all end-all case, but I think at the very least is worth a little pressure and questioning.