Post Any Evidence For God Here

[Neoteny]

Nice argument there. If we take what the Bible says to be true, then the Bible is true.

Oh god, please don't tell me you're a presuppositionalist...

If you are, we at least know we can ignore you from now on...

[Juan_Bottom]

Well ...no one has ever observed evolution...you believe it simply because some people claim to have discovered it through science and wrote books about it.

That's not entirely true. Like at all. Just because they don't teach some things in school doesn't mean there isn't a world of information available about it.
I started typing a lengthy response to this, but I'm out of time. I should just point to the evolutionary changes in bacterias and diseases that become drug and antibiotic resistant and immune. Or the many lab examples with insects, bacterias, and plants. Anyway I have to go buy some round up ready corn.... so here start with E Coli:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... e-lab.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_lo ... nt#Results

Forgot I had this saved:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ution.html

[Neoteny]

The Lenski experiments up at MSU are pretty badass.

[Juan_Bottom]

U were the one to point me at them to begin with.

I really like the lizard one though cause it happened without people's involvement. I can find thousands of laboratory examples but only a few examples that happened during our lifetimes taking place in nature.

[Neoteny]

My favorite illustration for evolution involves the Ensatina salamanders. It's tough to argue against ring species.

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS,

Is there not love that is? What about survival of the fittest would explain someone from the States trying to send an anonymous monetary donation to strangers in Africa? Has that not occured?

Is there not something called Bode's Law that is? Is there not a distance relationship between bodies in the solar system that suggests planets were placed in a certain way by Someone intelligent?

Is there not a lack of observed abiogenesis that is? Should we assume spontaneous generation has occured?

Is there not fulfilled prophecy that is? Did Daniel not prophetically predict rising and falling of a number of empires? Is there not prophecy concerning Yahushua (sp?) that's older than Mary and that has to do with Name and family line and place of birth and places of growing up and being betrayed for a certain amount of money and being betrayed by a friend and being abandoned by friends and way of death and timing of death and having garments parted and being offered vinegar and sky being darkened during day and being resurrected and timing between death and resurrection and more?

Are there not sexual organs that are? Would RNA transcription errors at individual levels explain penises and vaginas? Maybe it seems as though they were made for eachother or at least one for the other. Was there a first of each that happened to come about at about same moment in time and they happened to meet up? Would that not be evidence for a Creator? Did more than one of each come to be at about the same moment in time and two or more of them met up after that? Would that not be even more evidence for a Creator? Were there individuals with male organs and female organs who later evolved offspring with one or the other? Is there anything in the fossil record that suggests that's the case?

Are there not personal testimonies concerning individuals claiming to have seen and heard spirits that is?

Are there not eyeballs that are? What are the odds that light sensitive photon recepting forerunning pigments happened to appear in a general area where noses and mouths and ears would later branch from?

Is there not evidence for there being anti-Him secret societies that ironically is? What do you know about freemasonry? It's quite related to goat images and upside down stars in pentagons and one or more degree system and also called the Craft perhaps. What does it not have in common with witchcraft and how many so called presidents and supreme court justices and astronauts have there been who have not been masons? Seen an upside down star like image in streets north of the whitehouse pointing at the whitehouse or a giant obelisk south of the whitehouse? Know what the so called statue of liberty represents? Seen novus ordo seclorum on the back of one dollar bills? I might not be a fan of Notre Dame or Roman Catholicism, but is this not a link to a Notre Dame site with a Latin translator that has that translated regardless of what the History channel says and does not say?

http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin ... o+seclorum

Does Novus Ordo Seclorum not mean New Secular World Order or at least something like that? Are we living in one? Can you not even get images that point to M and A and S and O and N by placing masonic square and compass images over dollar bill pyramids and turning one dollar bill pyramids into six pointed stars?

Is there love that is and is not at the same time? Are love and hate the same thing? Does mankind require a readjustment of their minds in order to escape from this notion of duality in order to bring about a more meaningful "answer" to our questions?

Is there not something which advocates a complete shift in this thought, which you so profusely attempt to ignore?

All the solar systems of the universe point to as much evidence as there being a creator and there not being a creator.

Shall we continue to make assumptions on our beliefs and mistaken them for the absolute truth? Shall we just accept the belief that there really is absolute truth, so that there can be an answer to all our questions?

Is there not such a thing where one can "predict" things that are obvious? Is there not such a thing as people reinterpreting another person's works in such a light as to make a connection between two events in order to bring about the "truth" on such predictions or revelations, in a manner in which the interpreter himself sees fit?

You see this? This is this. This isn't this. This is this. Do understand where I'm getting at? There is some truth in the most unlikely of spots (Deer Hunter--awesome, huh?) But does that suggest that there is a creator? No and yes, because one can associate that happenstance with that conclusion as much as they please (like you and exactly like what you're doing).

There's no evidence behind it, and your questions and answers being linked to the conclusion of there being a creator are just as dubious as linking those questions and answers to the conclusion that there is no creator.

2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against YHWH, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: YHWH shall have them in derision.

What bands are there to break? You're already free.

It's just you at the wheel, steering your mind to wherever you like. But continue steering, and you'll get there.

[jonesthecurl]

Few bible scholars, including believers, now hold that any of the New Testament was actually written by the disciples. Paul met Jesus after he was dead? well, that's ok then. Obviously that'll convince non-believers.

Any clues on why these illiterate jewish disciples were writing in Greek?

[jonesthecurl]

Well, for one, the majority of the New Testament was almost certainly not written by someone that knew Jesus.

Actually....if you believe the bible...

Matthew Mark John we all written by the men who lived with jesus during his three year ministry...

LUke& Acts is a history complied of what Luke had heard and observed ikn the lives of those who knew jesus

The 13 pauline epistles were written by paul who saw jesus after his resurection (road to damascus, 3 years of teaching by jesus in a desert)

1,2 peter written by the disciple peter.

123 John written by jesus brother john

James written by a disciple

Revelation written by john jesus disciple


so anyways thats most of the new testament but I am sure you will find some way to over look that...

Few bible scholars, including believers, now hold that any of the New Testament was actually written by the disciples. Paul met Jesus after he was dead? well, that's ok then. Obviously that'll convince non-believers.

Any clues on why these illiterate jewish disciples were writing in Greek?

[Army of GOD]

In before jonesy deletes his double post.

[jonesthecurl]

In before jonesy deletes his double post.

Ha ha - my mistake - I replied without quoting, then went back. I thought I'd deleted it but let it stand. I've said exactly the same thing before in other threads anyhow, so I'm already repeating myself...

[Wolverine Mutant]

Any clues on why these illiterate jewish disciples were writing in Greek?

I'm not sure for some of them, but regarding Paul, he was a Pharisee and would have known more like that, would he not? As a scholar by trade, I mean.

[jonesthecurl]

yes Paul was certainly literate - hence he was able to write the Epistles to tom dick and harry. By his involvement we were already beyond the random recruiting of fishermen.

[Snorri1234]

The pyramid timeline:
Bah humbug.
Do you think God is so obviously there that he needs no proof, and yet he gives a bunch of people who don't believe in him an explicit timeline of the future? Seriously?

God I fucking love conspiracy theory.

One of my favourites is that the egyptians must have had help from aliens to build their pyramids because it is such a complex structure.


Yes, pyramids are complex structures according to this. NOT THE EASIEST STRUCTURE EVER!

[comic boy]

Thorny seems even more clueless now that he has evolved into a weasel

[Army of GOD]

And now for my 2 yen.

Does anyone hear actually think they'll convince the other side to change their opinion? This thread has 20 pages of someone running on a treadmill.

[Neoteny]

My least favorite contributions to these things are the people who just point out that nobody ever changes their minds. I've been doing this for years. I'm not trying to change anyone, I'm just having fun.

[notyou2]

NY2,

Are the Dead Sea scrolls not at least 1,900 years old and can we not personally study Dead Sea scrolls ourselves? Then there is the LXX and more you should consider maybe. What's really been changed?

I am not sure how old the Dead Sea scrolls are but I believe they are at least that old. Do you? How did they arrive at that number? Carbon dating? Do you believe in carbon dating?
The Dead Sea scrolls were written I believe in a language or perhaps several languages that I think no longer exist, or at least the dialects used no longer exist. Who can today state the author's exact intent in a language unused for thousands of years? My point is not what is written, it is the translations and interpretations that I have issue with. You seem to have trouble grasping my point, or you are purposely avoiding it?

[BigBallinStalin]

My least favorite contributions to these things are the people who just point out that nobody ever changes their minds. I've been doing this for years. I'm not trying to change anyone, I'm just having fun.

No, you're not, I disagree. You're completely wrong, and I've got this book that backs me up. I even wrote it, yeah so what. I'm right, and you're wrong. Wanna compare biceps? Go to the "pics of me" thread, and BAM that'll teach ya to disagree.

My Might Makes Right + personally abridged Bible > YOU. Ja, you, you puny mahn.

[Neoteny]

::looks at biceps::

:[

[Army of GOD]

My least favorite contributions to these things are the people who just point out that nobody ever changes their minds. I've been doing this for years. I'm not trying to change anyone, I'm just having fun.

No, you're not, I disagree. You're completely wrong, and I've got this book that backs me up. I even wrote it, yeah so what. I'm right, and you're wrong. Wanna compare biceps? Go to the "pics of me" thread, and BAM that'll teach ya to disagree.

My Might Makes Right + personally abridged Bible > YOU. Ja, you, you puny mahn.

Lolz x 5

[notyou2]

Its managed to change my opinion of you.

[notyou2]

Seriously, I'm hoping that all the religions just go away so that we can then covet thy neighbour's wife without repercussions.

[tzor]

Universe can be used to refer to all things anywhere and there is one or more definition issue maybe. If all that exists is not a closed system, then what is?

No. Ever since Einstien and especially under the Hawkings model, the "Universe" is a static n-dimensional space time structure.

The word Universe is usually defined as encompassing everything. However, using an alternative definition, some cosmologists have speculated that the "Universe" composed of expanding space-as-we-know-it, is just one of many disconnected "universes", which are collectively called the multiverse. For example, in the many-worlds hypothesis, new "universes" are spawned with every quantum measurement. These universes are usually thought to be completely disconnected from our own and therefore impossible to detect experimentally. Observations of older parts of the universe (which are far away) suggest that the Universe has been governed by the same physical laws and constants throughout most of its extent and history. However, in bubble universe theory, there may be an infinite variety of "universes" created in various ways, and perhaps each with different physical constants.

[john9blue]

The Lionz/Neo/jones saga of this thread has actually been the most entertaining so far. What are you complaining about? Changing people's minds? Come on now.

[jonesthecurl]

Well, I don't know if this thread will change anyone's mind, but I for one have changed my mind on this question in the past, so there is hope for everyone.

Who else has been converted/disillusioned/simply changed their mind at least once on the existence/identity of a god/the gods in the past?