US attack on Iraqis, intentional?

[Woodruff]

um dude you are so far out of the picture here.
I love that you brought up fascist state...you wouldnt be meaning saddam control iraq right...or cuba or iran or venuzuela or north korea or vietnam right? OH yeah srry my bad your talking about the horrible terrible usa...your a FUCKING moron

No, you are a fucking moron with no clue about what real war is like. You are a little bitch that wouldn't even survive boot camp let alone going to war. I have my father's account and my uncles's accounts of what war is like when they served in the Pacific in WW2. My Dad was with MacArthur in Tokyo Harbor when the Japanese surrendered. My Uncle survived 2 landings as a Marine and died blind due to the wounds he took. They killed their share of men and never were as callous about it as these soldiers were safe in their choppers gunning down non-combatants and children. I talked to my Dad about this and his reaction was that these guys who did this were sick.

I really don't know why I bother. Maybe I am a moron for wasting my time posting in these forums that appear to be mostly populated by little boys like you who have no idea what the real world is like. You are a joke. You have no life experience but yammer on like you do. You have no fucking clue dummy. We both know that you are a worthless little shit that only feels big by repeating the hate speech and ignorance that all your kind do. I've read enough of your posts to know that you are an insignificant little turd who knows nothing of the world and will never know anything of the world. Now go tell your Mommy to make you some more cheesy puffs and f*ck off and die.

i second this.

its a one way street here, most the guys responding this thread have their own locked beliefs and don't dare to stray from their JAYy America thoughts. I say to them, imagine what your reaction would be if you were on the receiving end of this. What would you think if iraqui's did this on US territority while fighting "armed terrorists" in a self proclaimed war you had not asked for. Would they be wrong then?

There's a huge problem with your analogy...Our actual military would be defending us here, not every Joe in the street, which would avoid most of the problems we're having to deal with.

Well, obviously this analogy has an Iraq that was capable of utterly destroying the United States government (presumably allied in this case with Glenn Beck) and used that ability successfully. Blaming Iraq for not having a functioning government or defense authority in 2007 is beyond hypocritical. So, given that this analogy has the Iraqi Red Dawn succeeding, what say you?

There are times when an analogy is useless. This is one of those times, because it is a situation that is...quite simply not possible. To even contemplate it is frankly a waste of time.

[Qwert]

I must say,that im experience a US Attack on mine country, and when all other Nato member dont want to bombard civilian,only go to military target,US bombard,and every that atack caled "colateral Damage", and situation whas very diferent from Iraq,because Army whas out of Towns.

[Uncle Death]

Then leave and go live in cuba or iran...I'm sure its very nice over there...They would never kill or arrest an innocent person...Oh wait there is some real estate I heard about availible in china...I guess they stole this chruches land and are trying to sell..anyways

Your a fucking pussy my friend...If you want to list family trees...

Well My great grandpa came over to the usa My Grandpa on my dads side was chief warrent officer for the entire usa coast guard. My other Grandpa on my moms side is a vietnam war hero wounded 3 times. My uncle is a Major in the usmc. My Cussin brook his foot in OCT so he couldn't finish there. My Dad is a politcal and miliatry history major and has 2 degrees in that and taught in schools...I went To ALERT accademy and passed their boot camp which is on par with marine boot camp as inspected by some marine officers.

I think I come from decent stock. YOUR just a pussy.

Just reading your semi-literate ramblings makes me feel like I fell in to a cesspool of inbred stupid. I bet you're from great stock. Maybe your Uncle/Daddy/Cousin can get you in to the same school he went to, Jethro Bodine University. Oh wait, so you understand I'll spell it so you can read it - maybee daddyuncle ken get yuu into the skool he dun went to and yuu ken beekum a brane shurgin.

You really are an embarrassment.

[THORNHEART]

Then leave and go live in cuba or iran...I'm sure its very nice over there...They would never kill or arrest an innocent person...Oh wait there is some real estate I heard about availible in china...I guess they stole this chruches land and are trying to sell..anyways

Your a fucking pussy my friend...If you want to list family trees...

Well My great grandpa came over to the usa My Grandpa on my dads side was chief warrent officer for the entire usa coast guard. My other Grandpa on my moms side is a vietnam war hero wounded 3 times. My uncle is a Major in the usmc. My Cussin brook his foot in OCT so he couldn't finish there. My Dad is a politcal and miliatry history major and has 2 degrees in that and taught in schools...I went To ALERT accademy and passed their boot camp which is on par with marine boot camp as inspected by some marine officers.

I think I come from decent stock. YOUR just a pussy.

Just reading your semi-literate ramblings makes me feel like I fell in to a cesspool of inbred stupid. I bet you're from great stock. Maybe your Uncle/Daddy/Cousin can get you in to the same school he went to, Jethro Bodine University. Oh wait, so you understand I'll spell it so you can read it - maybee daddyuncle ken get yuu into the skool he dun went to and yuu ken beekum a brane shurgin.

You really are an embarrassment.

um so you fall into a classic defense of mocking my spelling and directly avoiding the point YOU brought up. YOUR point was that your dad being in the military gave you some fucking special insights...well then I prove how thats wrong and you go YOUR SPELLING IS BAD SO YOU OBVIOUSLY CANT HAVE ANY GOOD OPINIONS.

Fool. I think i spelled 2 words wrong asshole. cussin wrong cause i like that spelling better

and brook instead of broke because i made a typo...so basically you prove that your an ignorant fool who cant argue or defend his points. Your a classic liberal. When faced with a good arguement you change topic to another reason why my opinions arnt valid...you fail

[Frigidus]

Just reading your semi-literate ramblings makes me feel like I fell in to a cesspool of inbred stupid. I bet you're from great stock. Maybe your Uncle/Daddy/Cousin can get you in to the same school he went to, Jethro Bodine University. Oh wait, so you understand I'll spell it so you can read it - maybee daddyuncle ken get yuu into the skool he dun went to and yuu ken beekum a brane shurgin.

You really are an embarrassment.

THORNHEART went to McGill University.

[Uncle Death]

Then leave and go live in cuba or iran...I'm sure its very nice over there...They would never kill or arrest an innocent person...Oh wait there is some real estate I heard about availible in china...I guess they stole this chruches land and are trying to sell..anyways

Your a fucking pussy my friend...If you want to list family trees...

Well My great grandpa came over to the usa My Grandpa on my dads side was chief warrent officer for the entire usa coast guard. My other Grandpa on my moms side is a vietnam war hero wounded 3 times. My uncle is a Major in the usmc. My Cussin brook his foot in OCT so he couldn't finish there. My Dad is a politcal and miliatry history major and has 2 degrees in that and taught in schools...I went To ALERT accademy and passed their boot camp which is on par with marine boot camp as inspected by some marine officers.

I think I come from decent stock. YOUR just a pussy.

Just reading your semi-literate ramblings makes me feel like I fell in to a cesspool of inbred stupid. I bet you're from great stock. Maybe your Uncle/Daddy/Cousin can get you in to the same school he went to, Jethro Bodine University. Oh wait, so you understand I'll spell it so you can read it - maybee daddyuncle ken get yuu into the skool he dun went to and yuu ken beekum a brane shurgin.

You really are an embarrassment.

um so you fall into a classic defense of mocking my spelling and directly avoiding the point YOU brought up. YOUR point was that your dad being in the military gave you some fucking special insights...well then I prove how thats wrong and you go YOUR SPELLING IS BAD SO YOU OBVIOUSLY CANT HAVE ANY GOOD OPINIONS.

Fool. I think i spelled 2 words wrong asshole. cussin wrong cause i like that spelling better

and brook instead of broke because i made a typo...so basically you prove that your an ignorant fool who cant argue or defend his points. Your a classic liberal. When faced with a good arguement you change topic to another reason why my opinions arnt valid...you fail

You are a turd dumbass. There is no point debating or arguing with you because you don't get it and are just a hate filled bag of stupid. I was offering my father's viewpoint on the callousness and behavior of those soldiers in the video. It was his war experience I used and his viewpoint. That went right over your head and all you did was list your "military" credentials and call me a pussy. Who was avoiding the point? Who missed the point? You did Jethro.

[army of nobunaga]

These guys have a live feed to an intel channel. They were doing their jobs. You people may not agree with their jobs, but it is what it is.

There very well could have been a bad guy there. And there very well was civilian casualties. Maybe the reports should be a little smarter with whom and where they hang out for their stories.

Was the "story" really that important?


In another thread I think stallin was questioning why America has not crushed Iraqi resistance... I mean.. how can this video not show you, we have and continue to crush the mother fuckers even before they can sneeze?

[Uncle Death]

These guys have a live feed to an intel channel. They were doing their jobs. You people may not agree with their jobs, but it is what it is.

There very well could have been a bad guy there. And there very well was civilian casualties. Maybe the reports should be a little smarter with whom and where they hang out for their stories.

Was the "story" really that important?


In another thread I think stallin was questioning why America has not crushed Iraqi resistance... I mean.. how can this video not show you, we have and continue to crush the mother fuckers even before they can sneeze?

Why don't we just kill them all?

[DirtyDishSoap]

I just think Stalin has an issue with America.

[BigBallinStalin]

I just think Stalin has an issue with America.

Far from it, but nice trolling attempt.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I just think Stalin has an issue with America.

Far from it, but nice trolling attempt.

It's not a trolling attempt, it's speculation.

Put this for example. I look up Taiwans news everyday, somethin that I have no buisness with, I know little to nothing about the country itself but to hell with it, I post up every kind of bad news I can.

Just sayin.

[army of nobunaga]

These guys have a live feed to an intel channel. They were doing their jobs. You people may not agree with their jobs, but it is what it is.

There very well could have been a bad guy there. And there very well was civilian casualties. Maybe the reports should be a little smarter with whom and where they hang out for their stories.

Was the "story" really that important?


In another thread I think stallin was questioning why America has not crushed Iraqi resistance... I mean.. how can this video not show you, we have and continue to crush the mother fuckers even before they can sneeze?

Why don't we just kill them all?

No need buddy, we already won. Sad you think we have to exterminate a population when .00001 percent of the population likes to whack soldiers with bombs when the said soldiers there are trying to make the country stable and crime free.

But you entitled to your view.

[army of nobunaga]

Then leave and go live in cuba or iran...I'm sure its very nice over there...They would never kill or arrest an innocent person...Oh wait there is some real estate I heard about availible in china...I guess they stole this chruches land and are trying to sell..anyways

Your a fucking pussy my friend...If you want to list family trees...

Well My great grandpa came over to the usa My Grandpa on my dads side was chief warrent officer for the entire usa coast guard. My other Grandpa on my moms side is a vietnam war hero wounded 3 times. My uncle is a Major in the usmc. My Cussin brook his foot in OCT so he couldn't finish there. My Dad is a politcal and miliatry history major and has 2 degrees in that and taught in schools...I went To ALERT accademy and passed their boot camp which is on par with marine boot camp as inspected by some marine officers.

I think I come from decent stock. YOUR just a pussy.

Just reading your semi-literate ramblings makes me feel like I fell in to a cesspool of inbred stupid. I bet you're from great stock. Maybe your Uncle/Daddy/Cousin can get you in to the same school he went to, Jethro Bodine University. Oh wait, so you understand I'll spell it so you can read it - maybee daddyuncle ken get yuu into the skool he dun went to and yuu ken beekum a brane shurgin.

You really are an embarrassment.

um so you fall into a classic defense of mocking my spelling and directly avoiding the point YOU brought up. YOUR point was that your dad being in the military gave you some fucking special insights...well then I prove how thats wrong and you go YOUR SPELLING IS BAD SO YOU OBVIOUSLY CANT HAVE ANY GOOD OPINIONS.

Fool. I think i spelled 2 words wrong asshole. cussin wrong cause i like that spelling better

and brook instead of broke because i made a typo...so basically you prove that your an ignorant fool who cant argue or defend his points. Your a classic liberal. When faced with a good arguement you change topic to another reason why my opinions arnt valid...you fail

You are a turd dumbass. There is no point debating or arguing with you because you don't get it and are just a hate filled bag of stupid. I was offering my father's viewpoint on the callousness and behavior of those soldiers in the video. It was his war experience I used and his viewpoint. That went right over your head and all you did was list your "military" credentials and call me a pussy. Who was avoiding the point? Who missed the point? You did Jethro.

This is a fucking beaut. here.. Since when is killing not cold and callous... What the f*ck war was your father in? The war of fairies in shoots and ladder land?
The point is... SIMPLE

WAR SUCKS
WAR KILLS

PEOPLE have jobs in war, and those fucking JOBS ARE TO KILL.

I don't understand the POINT of some of these comments.

IT fucking SUCKS that a a boatload of Iraqies and 2 journalists who should not have been there got fucking iced by cannon fire.

But ladies and gentlemen, hate the game, not the players.

It is american policy to take bad guys the f*ck out of commission before they can do harm to americans. And that is called warfare.


cheers

[Uncle Death]

You goof, you know I was being sarcastic and there is a big difference in killing armed soldiers and shooting unarmed civilians and children. Did you not listen to what the soldiers said?

[army of nobunaga]

You goof, you know I was being sarcastic and there is a big difference in killing armed soldiers and shooting unarmed civilians and children. Did you not listen to what the soldiers said?

I know you were trying to be sarcastic... I was trying to show you how fucking ridiculous your sarcasm was.


There is a difference in killing soldiers and civilians? really, you learn that in school... great point. What happens when those civilians are communicating and are planing, I dunno a fucking beheading of a journalist, or a suicide bombing involving a teenager and 2 america soldiers.. Those civilians, well hell we cant and shouldnt touch them right? Get a fucking clue. civilians enter warfare when they decide to, not when the american army decide they do. This is a point you should understand.
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How much chatter have you heard through an comlink in a live operation?

REally zero, except for the shit released by media? ... Really? Well f*ck you are an expert on chatter during a live op then.

I suggest if you dont know what the f*ck you are talking about, to stay away.

[BigBallinStalin]

I just think Stalin has an issue with America.

Far from it, but nice trolling attempt.

It's not a trolling attempt, it's speculation.

Put this for example. I look up Taiwans news everyday, somethin that I have no buisness with, I know little to nothing about the country itself but to hell with it, I post up every kind of bad news I can.

Just sayin.

That wasn't a trolling attempt? Well, I apologize for that.

If you'd look at what I've been posting in this thread, then you'd notice that I've held the position of defending the US soldiers' actions as reasonable and justifiable, and have tried discouraging this "f*ck America" mentality that may arise when one sees the video.

Where am I really coming from? I've lived in the US for a very long time, and I have enjoyed with many people, from all over the world and from varying status, very good conversations on all sorts of issues regarding the United States, war, politics, and their home countries; however, this in no way makes my opinions of more substance than the opinions of others.

In short, my interests in whatever are my business because no one can say otherwise unless they hold a gun to my face and say, "Shut the f*ck up" and also if I'm in no position to stop him from shooting me.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I just think Stalin has an issue with America.

Far from it, but nice trolling attempt.

It's not a trolling attempt, it's speculation.

Put this for example. I look up Taiwans news everyday, somethin that I have no buisness with, I know little to nothing about the country itself but to hell with it, I post up every kind of bad news I can.

Just sayin.

That wasn't a trolling attempt? Well, I apologize for that.

If you'd look at what I've been posting in this thread, then you'd notice that I've held the position of defending the US soldiers' actions as reasonable and justifiable, and have tried discouraging this "f*ck America" mentality that may arise when one sees the video.

Where am I really coming from? I've lived in the US for a very long time, and I have enjoyed with many people, from all over the world and from varying status, very good conversations on all sorts of issues regarding the United States, war, politics, and their home countries; however, this in no way makes my opinions of more substance than the opinions of others.

In short, my interests in whatever are my business because no one can say otherwise unless they hold a gun to my face and say, "Shut the f*ck up" and also if I'm in no position to stop him from shooting me.

Not that I'd like to browse throughout this thread and read what I already know (concerning the jouranlists mind you) but I don't see much point to it to see the medias story and others perspectives of the usual banter of how were wrong or what not where as I'm already here and that I'll probably know more about the whole situation then Fox News or whatever up-start news reporter has to spew.

Well I'm happy that you've lived in the US for a very long time, hope you enjoyed the experience, CC's forum users haven't been the most eye-opening and alot of em of are near sighted or ignorant in my point of view.

As for your interests, everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether it's wrong or right, whatever.

[thegreekdog]

It's our tax dollars at work. A journalist I know made this comment which I agree with and probably only a few of you will as well:

"Clearly, the invasion is like an effing video game to some of these guys. It's been going on for seven years now, and I'm (not) wondering where is the outrage -- a fascist state has to fetishize military service, wrapping it all up in religious/racist/patriotic/macho packaging so few dare to criticize. The tea partiers claim they're about financial responsibility, well, here's a great example of a wasted couple trillion dollars.
But no special federal prosecutor looking at Dick Cheney."

You know I love you UD, but this journalist you know is a bit off the beaten path here. Since when are we a fascist state? As far as I know, more than 50% of the people in the US are against the war in Iraq, which is why we have a president who has promised to end the war. Since when do we fetishize military service? Based on your follow-up post to Thorney, do you think honoring your uncle, etc. is fetishizing military service? The religious/racist stuff is so completely off-base. I really don't understand this. So, President Bush is a Christian and that means we went to war with Iraq because they aren't Christian. Think about that sentence, because that's basically what your journalist friend is saying. Personally, I prefer something like "we wanted oil," which is far more realistic. The Tea Partiers do claim we're about fiscal responsibility. This is a great example of the waste of a lot of money. Most, if not all, of the Tea Partiers want out of Iraq and regularly blast President Bush and Vice President Cheney for the war.

So, in sum, your journalist friend is an idiot in the same vein as Thornheart. No offense.

[thegreekdog]

You guys who are attacking the soldiers, a couple of things to sum up:

(1) Separate the politics surrounding the war from the soldiers in this particular video. They are separate issues. A lot of people who are defending the soldiers also don't agree with the war.
(2) Think about being in the situation without knowing what actually happened. In other words, we're all looking at this with hindsight, so it's a bit disingenuous to criticize the soldiers now that we know way more than they did at the time.

[Baron Von PWN]

I think this graphic I found thanks to reddit sums up the first engagement rather nicely. http://i.imgur.com/twrSH.jpg

[Iliad]

To those who are defending the soldier's actions: http://www.truthout.org/iraq-war-vet-we ... re-us58378

[jefjef]

Yep.

Children in Vietnam used to give our troops glass and explosives to eat. Run up and toss grenades at our troops. Plant mines and booby traps. Women and the elderly did that too.

ARVN allies during the day were Viet cong guerrillas at night.

Same shit in IRAQ. Just no jungles.

[Uncle Death]

It's our tax dollars at work. A journalist I know made this comment which I agree with and probably only a few of you will as well:

"Clearly, the invasion is like an effing video game to some of these guys. It's been going on for seven years now, and I'm (not) wondering where is the outrage -- a fascist state has to fetishize military service, wrapping it all up in religious/racist/patriotic/macho packaging so few dare to criticize. The tea partiers claim they're about financial responsibility, well, here's a great example of a wasted couple trillion dollars.
But no special federal prosecutor looking at Dick Cheney."

You know I love you UD, but this journalist you know is a bit off the beaten path here. Since when are we a fascist state? As far as I know, more than 50% of the people in the US are against the war in Iraq, which is why we have a president who has promised to end the war. Since when do we fetishize military service? Based on your follow-up post to Thorney, do you think honoring your uncle, etc. is fetishizing military service? The religious/racist stuff is so completely off-base. I really don't understand this. So, President Bush is a Christian and that means we went to war with Iraq because they aren't Christian. Think about that sentence, because that's basically what your journalist friend is saying. Personally, I prefer something like "we wanted oil," which is far more realistic. The Tea Partiers do claim we're about fiscal responsibility. This is a great example of the waste of a lot of money. Most, if not all, of the Tea Partiers want out of Iraq and regularly blast President Bush and Vice President Cheney for the war.

So, in sum, your journalist friend is an idiot in the same vein as Thornheart. No offense.

My journalist friend is one of the smartest people I have ever met. His views are very liberal, even more so than mine. He is very passionate as well, something he can't be in his reporting which some of you may have read in AP reports in newspapers nationally. What he refers to as fascist is in regards to the fact that most of the country is and was against the Iraq war and yet we still did it. I think you know tgd that I'm no idiot so when I tell you that he is no idiot I think you will respect that. The difference between him and Thornheart and a great many others here it seems is that they have no understanding of what murder is or pretend not to. When you invade another country under the pretext of making that country a better place like we did in Vietnam or Iraq you are honor bound to behave in an honorable manner regardless of the cost. When you are invaded you are not held to the same standard. Your standard is survival and killing the invader in anyway you can. The USA is not ancient Rome. The founding fathers did not believe in an expeditionary force like the British had. I've realized that this argument or debate is senseless here. These people supporting this action just hate. They don't give a f*ck between right and wrong. They just want to shout long enough so that they are the last one heard and then they can say or think that they won. It's fucked and unfortunately this seems to be what this country, the USA, has become. So fascist isn't so far off. When idiots like Thornheart and Nobunga win a debate like this by shouting down reason and compassion it's just like the real world politics in America right now, truth, reason, and morality get shouted down by hate and stupidity. Stupid fuckers like these are why the bad guys get away with all the shit they do. Hitler/Cheney has his brown shirts all over again.

[Uncle Death]

To those who are defending the soldier's actions: http://www.truthout.org/iraq-war-vet-we ... re-us58378

Thanks for sharing that.

[Uncle Death]

It's our tax dollars at work. A journalist I know made this comment which I agree with and probably only a few of you will as well:

"Clearly, the invasion is like an effing video game to some of these guys. It's been going on for seven years now, and I'm (not) wondering where is the outrage -- a fascist state has to fetishize military service, wrapping it all up in religious/racist/patriotic/macho packaging so few dare to criticize. The tea partiers claim they're about financial responsibility, well, here's a great example of a wasted couple trillion dollars.
But no special federal prosecutor looking at Dick Cheney."

um dude you are so far out of the picture here.

I love that you brought up fascist state...you wouldnt be meaning saddam control iraq right...or cuba or iran or venuzuela or north korea or vietnam right? OH yeah srry my bad your talking about the horrible terrible usa...your a FUCKING moron

No, you are a fucking moron with no clue about what real war is like. You are a little bitch that wouldn't even survive boot camp let alone going to war. I have my father's account and my uncles's accounts of what war is like when they served in the Pacific in WW2. My Dad was with MacArthur in Tokyo Harbor when the Japanese surrendered. My Uncle survived 2 landings as a Marine and died blind due to the wounds he took. They killed their share of men and never were as callous about it as these soldiers were safe in their choppers gunning down non-combatants and children. I talked to my Dad about this and his reaction was that these guys who did this were sick.

I really don't know why I bother. Maybe I am a moron for wasting my time posting in these forums that appear to be mostly populated by little boys like you who have no idea what the real world is like. You are a joke. You have no life experience but yammer on like you do. You have no fucking clue dummy. We both know that you are a worthless little shit that only feels big by repeating the hate speech and ignorance that all your kind do. I've read enough of your posts to know that you are an insignificant little turd who knows nothing of the world and will never know anything of the world. Now go tell your Mommy to make you some more cheesy puffs and f*ck off and die.

i second this.

its a one way street here, most the guys responding this thread have their own locked beliefs and don't dare to stray from their JAYy America thoughts. I say to them, imagine what your reaction would be if you were on the receiving end of this. What would you think if iraqui's did this on US territority while fighting "armed terrorists" in a self proclaimed war you had not asked for. Would they be wrong then?

Thank you.