Government is...

[King Doctor]

High-five to my multi Woodruff.

Glad that we're/I'm in agreement here, our recent spate of cognitive disonance was really upsetting me/us.

[PLAYER57832]

Where did she say there was media that was not biased at all? She said they work very hard to be. Perhaps it is yourself that you should feel sorry for.

Thank you. I probably would have taken 3 times as long to say as much.

And just for the record, targetman, I don't object to their being right wing sources, opinions. I object to the fact that so many people don't seem to recognize the right as the right.... and I object to claims of "left wing media dominance", when the truth is that too many people, particularly those under 30, don't even know enough to recognize the left wing, because they have never heard anything but far right and less far right, to occasional true moderate positions. You make it clear you are among this group almost every time you post.

[InkL0sed]

This is a logical fallacy, specifically what - and excuse if I butcher the Latin - is called a dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter.

OH SHIT LATIN

YOU MUST BE SUPER DUPER SMART

Illegitimi non carborundum

Phatscotty spoonō delend'est!

[Snorri1234]

empirically, it is evident that humans will not sacrifice their own resources in the name of societal welfare if there is not some organizational body which requires or reminds them to do it

in denying the antecedent you are now committing a second logical fallacy

you did this previously, where you assume "Not X" implies "Not Y" just because X = y

Again, I regret can only respond to arguments based in Logic and Reason. Arguments based in other cognitive modalities are of no interest to me.

Thanks, Mesfanmax!

hehe

yeah metsfanmax, you and your logical fallacies

[john9blue]

idiota fatuus es...

[saxitoxin]

G'Morning servile subjects of the filthy capitalistic west! While you were asleep last night, your leader _______ [insert: Obama / Sarkozy / Cameron] was raping a dog.

.

Targetman - you were spot-on with your statement and I understood what you were saying even if Twinkle Toes and She-Man didn't. You made an exaggeration for emphasis which is normal, interpersonal conversational style when interacting with socially well-adjusted people. Socially well-adjusted people are able to spot and process exaggeration for emphasis without cognitive interruption.

Your mistake, however, was in not realizing you were talking to Woodruff and Player.

the truth is that too many people, particularly those under 30, don't even know enough to recognize the left wing, because they have never heard anything but far right and less far right

I saw neither the words "left" nor "right" scribed by Targetman.

Once again your are responding to an argument you were expecting to be made, not the argument that was actually made.

When you only have a 4x6 notecard with a set list of talking points to regurgitate that becomes a problem. You should get a 5x7 notecard. You'd come off a bit brighter.

YOU MUST BE SUPER DUPER SMART

correct

(source: Ralph Nadar on Health care).

Is that a new magazine then? "Ralph Nadar on Health Care." I'll have to subscribe.

Thank you for not sullying Ralph Nader's good name by spelling it correctly.

.. Yes and at least where I live all local taxes are property taxes. So your point is moot.

All people pay property taxes. 99%+ of people are domiciled. If you rent, you pay property taxes via your rent in the form of pass-along from your slum lord. Your point is moot. Side out, Saxi. Saxi to serve.

Is that 'veggie-steak' and 'tofu-chicken'?

Naturally. Meat is murder. It takes 9 kilos of vegetable protein to produce 1 kilo of animal protein. The nations of the filthy capitalistic west, because of their power, can force poorer nations to second their agriculture to feed the west's farm animals, instead of feeding their own people.

95% of political scientists think that you're wrong.

Mets - you're a cute kid and, as I noted, I was just sending you up before for the private benefit of 2 other users and myself who have been chuckling at some of your posts in another thread when it was patently clear you'd just finished a Logic 101 class.

However, your above missive really takes the cake! I won't delve into it, though, because I'm starting to like your spunky, can-do attitude. You have a lot of potential, MFM - the physical sciences will be lucky to have you.

Can you give us one topical example of why the west is such a filthy and barbarous place filled with imbeciles and fellatio idled automatons?

LMAO! Since you asked!

Today, July 7, is the anniversary of the 1927 General Strike called by the IWW and American Communist Party over the conviction of Nicola Sacco and Bartholomew Vanzetti for the crime of passing through a neighborhood in Boston that was off-limits to Italians. Despite the fact that half-a-million Americans took to the streets in a show of radical solidarity, within 2 months they would both be murdered in the Massachusetts electric chair, slaughtered by The Insect.

Saxi will be listening to Morricone's great musical tribute to heroic Sacco & Vanzetti all day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUrr3crO_A

Gloria per Sacco & Vanzetti! You will never be forgot. Your struggle will not be in vain.

Thanks, gang!
Uncle Saxi!
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

[jimboston]

#1 because most people are NOT happy with our system "as is".
#2 because we cannot afford to continue with the status quo.

This may or may not be true. I have seen many polls that disagree with you, and most people I talk to personally want the gov't to keep their corrupt hands off the healthcare system. I don't know who you are talking to... people who prefer the nanny-state Obama is leading us to I would guess.

However... my comments to P where in response to his suggestion that I was not qualified to decide on liking the US system best, because I have not lived under other systems.

Your retort does not address my point.

[PLAYER57832]

#1 because most people are NOT happy with our system "as is".
#2 because we cannot afford to continue with the status quo.

This may or may not be true. I have seen many polls that disagree with you, and most people I talk to personally want the gov't to keep their corrupt hands off the healthcare system. I don't know who you are talking to... people who prefer the nanny-state Obama is leading us to I would guess.

However... my comments to P where in response to his suggestion that I was not qualified to decide on liking the US system best, because I have not lived under other systems.

Your retort does not address my point.

hmm, well.. I did go back. There is a big difference between visiting another country and living there. Were you sick or injured while there? Do you have any long-term experiences with family and friends who are there?

I have all of the above.

Don't mistake normal grousing/griping about things not being perfect with true, anguished fear and loathing. Most people who say they are "happy with" US health care don't really have much experience with it, because they are healthy.

[jimboston]

.. Yes and at least where I live all local taxes are property taxes. So your point is moot.

All people pay property taxes. 99%+ of people are domiciled. If you rent, you pay property taxes via your rent in the form of pass-along from your slum lord. Your point is moot. Side out, Saxi. Saxi to serve.

Well duh... that's obviously Economics 101.

Few retorts...

-> I don't know where you live, but I doubt anyone here would agree with the logical statement "Landlord = Slumlord". It is true that "Some Landlords are Slumlord", and it's also true that "All Slumlords are Landlords"; but it is NOT tur that "All Landlords are Slumlords".

-> You talk about other people's logic failures... how about your obvious one??? "All people pay property taces. 99% or people are domiciled." So I guess there is a percentage there that don't pay property taxes then... right. LOL Of course you also forget the precentage of people that live in subsidized housing. They pay no property tax either.

-> The people who rent and pay property tax via pass-through... two things;
1) They do benefit from services associated with those taxes you know.
2) The Landlord may not always pass through the whole amount and/or often needs to adjust the base rent to make the total comparable to other nearby communities with different tax rates. There is freedom of movement and decision making for the renter here... they can more easily move to and more quickly react to cost-increase versus local-services benefit.

Oh wait... Jim is contesting that point and the Mac-Cam is out. The judges are reviewing, and the decision... game-set-match for Jim.

Is that 'veggie-steak' and 'tofu-chicken'?

Naturally. Meat is murder. It takes 9 kilos of vegetable protein to produce 1 kilo of animal protein. The nations of the filthy capitalistic west, because of their power, can force poorer nations to second their agriculture to feed the west's farm animals, instead of feeding their own people.

So honestly... you do eat meat, right? I mean you say you do and then you say you don't.

Today, July 7, is the anniversary of the 1927 General Strike called by the IWW and American Communist Party over the conviction of Nicola Sacco and Bartholomew Vanzetti for the crime of passing through a neighborhood in Boston that was off-limits to Italians. Despite the fact that half-a-million Americans took to the streets in a show of radical solidarity, within 2 months they would both be murdered in the Massachusetts electric chair, slaughtered by The Insect.

You don't really believe that Sacco and Vanzetti where 'heroes'; convicted and murdered illegally... do you?

This is like one of the biggest myths of the Left out there. I am amazed how many people buy into this without doing research.

[jimboston]

#1 because most people are NOT happy with our system "as is".
#2 because we cannot afford to continue with the status quo.

This may or may not be true. I have seen many polls that disagree with you, and most people I talk to personally want the gov't to keep their corrupt hands off the healthcare system. I don't know who you are talking to... people who prefer the nanny-state Obama is leading us to I would guess.

However... my comments to P where in response to his suggestion that I was not qualified to decide on liking the US system best, because I have not lived under other systems.

Your retort does not address my point.

hmm, well.. I did go back. There is a big difference between visiting another country and living there. Were you sick or injured while there? Do you have any long-term experiences with family and friends who are there?

I have all of the above.

Don't mistake normal grousing/griping about things not being perfect with true, anguished fear and loathing. Most people who say they are "happy with" US health care don't really have much experience with it, because they are healthy.

Player, that's not the point.

Point 1 - is the P said I never left the US. He's just wrong there.

Point 2 - is P's suggestion that you MUST try another healthcare system, in order to be able to reasonably and intelligently sure that you don't want to change the system you DO live in.

This is bad logic for all the reasons I previously pointed out.

It might make sense to say try a different brand/flavor ice-cream every once in awhile... that way you can be sure that your favorite is still your favorite. The cost os trying a different flavor is low. So... if you WANT you certainly can do this.

That said... if I want to eat coffee ice-cream and only coffee ice-cream for the rest of my life, that is my decision to make. There is no reason in the world that I MUST or that I should be required to try a different flavor. That is the logic P was professing... and it is the logic you are agreeing with.

I am happy with my coffee ice-cream (current healthcare system)... back-off and leave me and my ice-cream (healthcare) alone!

[saxitoxin]

Jim, it's getting too - simultaneously - easy for me to bat all these down from the Right (i.e. you) and the Crypto-Right (i.e. Player, Woody, Mets) but time-consuming for me to do so.

So, just a FYI everyone --- I'll respond to all your efforts and attempts in one fell swoop tomorrow.

Thanks, gang!
- Uncle Saxi!
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

.. Yes and at least where I live all local taxes are property taxes. So your point is moot.

All people pay property taxes. 99%+ of people are domiciled. If you rent, you pay property taxes via your rent in the form of pass-along from your slum lord. Your point is moot. Side out, Saxi. Saxi to serve.

Well duh... that's obviously Economics 101.

Few retorts...

-> I don't know where you live, but I doubt anyone here would agree with the logical statement "Landlord = Slumlord". It is true that "Some Landlords are Slumlord", and it's also true that "All Slumlords are Landlords"; but it is NOT tur that "All Landlords are Slumlords".

-> You talk about other people's logic failures... how about your obvious one??? "All people pay property taces. 99% or people are domiciled." So I guess there is a percentage there that don't pay property taxes then... right. LOL Of course you also forget the precentage of people that live in subsidized housing. They pay no property tax either.

-> The people who rent and pay property tax via pass-through... two things;
1) They do benefit from services associated with those taxes you know.
2) The Landlord may not always pass through the whole amount and/or often needs to adjust the base rent to make the total comparable to other nearby communities with different tax rates. There is freedom of movement and decision making for the renter here... they can more easily move to and more quickly react to cost-increase versus local-services benefit.

Oh wait... Jim is contesting that point and the Mac-Cam is out. The judges are reviewing, and the decision... game-set-match for Jim.

Is that 'veggie-steak' and 'tofu-chicken'?

Naturally. Meat is murder. It takes 9 kilos of vegetable protein to produce 1 kilo of animal protein. The nations of the filthy capitalistic west, because of their power, can force poorer nations to second their agriculture to feed the west's farm animals, instead of feeding their own people.

So honestly... you do eat meat, right? I mean you say you do and then you say you don't.

Today, July 7, is the anniversary of the 1927 General Strike called by the IWW and American Communist Party over the conviction of Nicola Sacco and Bartholomew Vanzetti for the crime of passing through a neighborhood in Boston that was off-limits to Italians. Despite the fact that half-a-million Americans took to the streets in a show of radical solidarity, within 2 months they would both be murdered in the Massachusetts electric chair, slaughtered by The Insect.

You don't really believe that Sacco and Vanzetti where 'heroes'; convicted and murdered illegally... do you?

This is like one of the biggest myths of the Left out there. I am amazed how many people buy into this without doing research.

[jimboston]

i.e. cop-out

[Snorri1234]

man, I could troll this thread better than sax.

[Metsfanmax]

Mets - you're a cute kid and, as I noted, I was just sending you up before for the private benefit of 2 other users and myself who have been chuckling at some of your posts in another thread when it was patently clear you'd just finished a Logic 101 class.

However, your above missive really takes the cake! I won't delve into it, though, because I'm starting to like your spunky, can-do attitude. You have a lot of potential, MFM - the physical sciences will be lucky to have you.

And the rapists/murderers/thieves/pedophiles who form your fictitious collective will be very lucky to have you.

[rockfist]

At its very best a necessary evil.

[saxitoxin]

And the rapists/murderers/thieves/pedophiles who form your fictitious collective will be very lucky to have you.

A colleague of mine once had a patient like you. Half the time he would display a pseudo-neurotic obsession with logic. When questioned about it he would erupt into semi-lucid ranting. We actually published a paper on this patient in Zeitschrift für Moderne Psychotherapie & Gesellschaft. Check it out - it was back in '87, titled (IIRC) "On the Origins of Jekkyl & Hyde Symptoms in Delusional Parasitosis."

The Club's really going to be in trouble when you start taking sentential calculus next year. Whoooa boy ...

man, I could troll this thread better than sax.

ACK! Still have no idea what you're saying ... my face is red!

I really promise, Snorri, I'm going to sit down and learn steenkolenengels one day so we can communicate with each other more fully and richly.

It is true that "Some Landlords are Slumlord", and it's also true that "All Slumlords are Landlords"; but it is NOT tur that "All Landlords are Slumlords".

you're Snorri's multi

I don't know where you live, but I doubt anyone here would agree with the logical statement "Landlord = Slumlord".

that's a YP, not a MP

So honestly... you do eat meat, right?

wrong

You don't really believe that Sacco and Vanzetti where 'heroes'; convicted and murdered illegally... do you?

mais oui


(LMAO! Not really gang ... I'm not THAT old! LOL!)

Thanks, gang!
- Uncle Saxi!
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

[Metsfanmax]

And the rapists/murderers/thieves/pedophiles who form your fictitious collective will be very lucky to have you.

A colleague of mine once had a patient like you. Half the time he would display a pseudo-neurotic obsession with logic. When questioned about it he would erupt into semi-lucid ranting. We actually published a paper on this patient in Zeitschrift für Moderne Psychotherapie & Gesellschaft. Check it out - it was back in '87, titled (IIRC) "On the Origins of Jekkyl & Hyde Symptoms in Delusional Parasitosis."

The Club's really going to be in trouble when you start taking sentential calculus next year. Whoooa boy ...

Well, at least his ranting was semi-lucid. Nothing you say makes one bit of sense.

And speaking of delusions, it sounds like you're imagining papers that you didn't write...

[saxitoxin]

And the rapists/murderers/thieves/pedophiles who form your fictitious collective will be very lucky to have you.

A colleague of mine once had a patient like you. Half the time he would display a pseudo-neurotic obsession with logic. When questioned about it he would erupt into semi-lucid ranting. We actually published a paper on this patient in Zeitschrift für Moderne Psychotherapie & Gesellschaft. Check it out - it was back in '87, titled (IIRC) "On the Origins of Jekkyl & Hyde Symptoms in Delusional Parasitosis."

The Club's really going to be in trouble when you start taking sentential calculus next year. Whoooa boy ...

Well, at least his ranting was semi-lucid. Nothing you say makes one bit of sense.

And speaking of delusions, it sounds like you're imagining papers that you didn't write...

Sorry, typo - that should have been "he" not "we" ... I almost pulled a Snorri -

You really need to take care of yourself, Mets. The gang cares about you. We want you to be healthy. But the healing starts with you. You need to start by getting your anger under control.

(BTW - your above comment was a logical fallacy. Specifically, it was a case of misplaced concretion.)

[Metsfanmax]

The entire field of psychology is based on the fallacy of misplaced concreteness...

[jimboston]

Government is...

... responsible for Saxi's concreteness.

[saxitoxin]

The entire field of psychology is based on the fallacy of misplaced concreteness...

You started so well ... a cold, detached, Spock-like conjurer of Reason - an architect of Logic, albeit one with an understanding of which had not entirely developed.

But, as soon as the Tickle Typhoon hit you cast all that into the bin and became a purveyor of irrationality, tossing rotten fruit and galumphing through the streets, mumbling incomprehensible rants at the head of the crazed and screaming mob.

And all it took was a few tickles.

*tickle tickle*

*Saxi tickles Metsfanmax*

(don't fret, Player got it worse, once)

[saxitoxin]

Saxi's concreteness.

If that's code for irregularity ...

ACK!

*Saxi raises his hand sheepishly*

LMAO, JAY-BACKSLASH-KAY, gang!

[jimboston]

Saxi's concreteness.

If that's code for irregularity ...

Or code for the concrete in your head.

[saxitoxin]

Saxi's concreteness.

If that's code for irregularity ...

Or code for the concrete in your head.

Jim ,did that represent your best effort at presenting yourself as a mature and intellectual adult to the world?

Or are you applying to be the pitchfork bearer in the mob Mets and Player are organizing to chase the "angry spirits" out of our cyber-village to appease the snake god Glycon?

So frail you all are, my children. So prone to irrationality, fear, superstition and cognitive error. You must be protected and curated. Hush now, and go to sleep.

[Metsfanmax]

The entire field of psychology is based on the fallacy of misplaced concreteness...

You started so well ... a cold, detached, Spock-like conjurer of Reason - an architect of Logic, albeit one with an understanding of which had not entirely developed.

But, as soon as the Tickle Typhoon hit you cast all that into the bin and became a purveyor of irrationality, tossing rotten fruit and galumphing through the streets, mumbling incomprehensible rants at the head of the crazed and screaming mob.

And all it took was a few tickles.

*tickle tickle*

*Saxi tickles Metsfanmax*

(don't fret, Player got it worse, once)

I am glad to see that you have conceded my point.