College Football 2010

[Preditor]

You can speculate all you want and as long a we have the BCS in place it's going to be hard to prove your wrong.

Looks like VT and Connecticut in the Orange bowl. This just continues to get even more comical.

[AndyDufresne]

I do love that TCU, in the middle south of the country, will have been in the "Western Athletic Conference," the "Mountain West," and the "Big East" now.


--Andy

[Frito Bandito]

I fail to see how being the only great team in your conference would make it harder to go undefeated.

I don't think Boise State would beat any of the following in Boise:

Auburn
Alabama
South Carolina
LSU
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Michigan State
Stanford

I think they could beat any of them in Boise. They are tough.

p.s.- I'm sure the Ohio State prez it too much of a pansy to agree to a home and home with Boise, they're too busy scheduling Western Michigan or Kentucky Tech at home. And, btw, I'm not a Boise St fan

[muy_thaiguy]

I do love that TCU, in the middle south of the country, will have been in the "Western Athletic Conference," the "Mountain West," and the "Big East" now.


--Andy

Don't forget the Southwest and C-USA as well. All of this since 1996 (if I remember right).

[rockfist]

I fail to see how being the only great team in your conference would make it harder to go undefeated.

I don't think Boise State would beat any of the following in Boise:

Auburn
Alabama
South Carolina
LSU
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Michigan State
Stanford

I think they could beat any of them in Boise. They are tough.

p.s.- I'm sure the Ohio State prez it too much of a pansy to agree to a home and home with Boise, they're too busy scheduling Western Michigan or Kentucky Tech at home. And, btw, I'm not a Boise St fan

Of course they could. I don't think it would be likely though.

Wisconsin defeated Arkansas in the 2007 Capital One Bowl. Wisconsin had -5 yards rushing in that game. Anything CAN happen, but if Wisconsin had 100 games with negative rushing yards they are losing between 95 and 99 of them - trust me.

[Preditor]

Wisconsin defeated Arkansas in the 2007 Capital One Bowl. Wisconsin had -5 yards rushing in that game. Anything CAN happen, but if Wisconsin had 100 games with negative rushing yards they are losing between 95 and 99 of them - trust me.

I respect everybody's opinion including yours but WTF does this have to do with anything? I'm glad BSU has stirred up so much controversy and it still continues even when it's a moot point for the year. Brotzman's missed kick cost Boise about 5 million. That's more money than Boise puts into it's entire football program. Yet they continue to get more and more attention from those that thought it was only a fluke thing going on in Idaho.

Wisconsin is without a doubt secretly thankful Boise lost. Now they get to face off against TCU which gives them a much better chance for a bowl win. IMO between Boise and Wisconsin in Pasadena, Boise not only would be favored but they would win. Now you might not think so but you would have a hard time convincing the rest of country.

[oVo]

I like Boise State, they have a fabulous track record in Bowl games,
but not the regular season schedule to convince the football world
that they are "the best" team out there. As I've said before, they
are a really good team that can keep it close with any college team
out there. All they lack is the quality opposition to establish just
how good they actually are. On any given day a good team can win
and a great team can fall. So it goes.

The way this year has gone it's impossible to say who the best team
might be and the BCS Rankings and bowl games will not solve this
question. A playoff wouldn't do it either, since that would only leave
the survivor of pairings as champion and there would still be teams
that never had to play each other. All teams match up differently and
the luck of the draw would still be a factor. A playoff could establish
an undisputed champion and still not prove who "the best" team is.
That's just how this game goes. Boise State was probably the better
team last week and Nevada still prevailed in the end. Alabama just
might be the best all around team, but has lost close games to LSU,
South Carolina and Auburn.

Every top ten team has escaped a few games this season with the
narrowest of victories and there are three loss programs that can
compete with and potentially beat any of the top ranked teams.
I can't see Boise State playing Auburn's schedule and remaining
unbeaten, but we'd all have a better idea of just how good they are.

Iowa, TCU and Ohio State all have extremely tough defenses and of the
three only TCU has managed to remain unbeaten. TCU doesn't face the
same competition that the other two do, but none of these teams can
be taken lightly by any opponent regardless of the rankings.

[Doc_Brown]

I like Boise State, they have a fabulous track record in Bowl games,
but not the regular season schedule to convince the football world
that they are "the best" team out there. As I've said before, they
are a really good team that can keep it close with any college team
out there. All they lack is the quality opposition to establish just
how good they actually are. On any given day a good team can win
and a great team can fall. So it goes.

The way this year has gone it's impossible to say who the best team
might be and the BCS Rankings and bowl games will not solve this
question. A playoff wouldn't do it either, since that would only leave
the survivor of pairings as champion and there would still be teams
that never had to play each other. All teams match up differently and
the luck of the draw would still be a factor. A playoff could establish
an undisputed champion and still not prove who "the best" team is.
That's just how this game goes. Boise State was probably the better
team last week and Nevada still prevailed in the end. Alabama just
might be the best all around team, but has lost close games to LSU,
South Carolina and Auburn.

Every top ten team has escaped a few games this season with the
narrowest of victories and there are three loss programs that can
compete with and potentially beat any of the top ranked teams.
I can't see Boise State playing Auburn's schedule and remaining
unbeaten, but we'd all have a better idea of just how good they are.

Iowa, TCU and Ohio State all have extremely tough defenses and of the
three only TCU has managed to remain unbeaten. TCU doesn't face the
same competition that the other two do, but none of these teams can
be taken lightly by any opponent regardless of the rankings.

I agree with this 100%. Also, just to add, Auburn fans, of all people, have a good idea of what BSU/TCU fans are feeling. Auburn got left out back in 2004, and Auburn doesn't receive the national respect that Alabama, Ohio State, Southern Cal, Florida, or a few other big name teams receive. It's been a fun season to be an Auburn fan and to see the sports writers saying every week how Auburn was likely to fall to that week's opponent.
(Auburn didn't have a defense in game 1 and MSU would take advantage of that; Clemson was a better team than MSU, who Auburn barely squeaked by - that wasn't going to happen with Clemson; South Carolina was probably beatable; ULM should be no problem; Kentucky was a trap game - they beat Auburn last year and they'll do so again; Arkansas is way too good - With Mallet as QB and Auburn's shoddy pass defense, there's no way Auburn wins this one; LSU is one of the best defenses in the nation - they'll shut down Cam Newton and their offense should be good enough against Auburn's defense to get the win; Ole Miss is a trap game - Auburn's come off of 3 close wins and are getting worn out, plus Masoli should be able to take apart the Auburn defense; scrimmage game against Chattanooga - no problem; UGA is a huge rival, and they're playing their best football of the season, plus all those allegations about Cam Newton will have the team down and depressed - they'll finally lose this week; Ok, they beat everyone else, but there's just no way they can beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa - that team is God's gift to football and is coached by the son of God himself - Auburn may be pretty good, but not good enough to win that one.)

Anyway, I have watched BSU and TCU play this season, and I think they're solid teams (personally, I think TCU may be a slightly better team, albeit less flashy and not quite as fast in scoring). I think they would both match up well against other top 10 teams in BCS bowl games. But to be honest, there's not a great deal of difference between the top 10-15 teams. I think any one of them could win against most of the others on a given week. The difference is how they got to where they are. Auburn has unquestionably played a much harder schedule than either TCU or BSU (and Oregon for that matter). They've beaten 5 ranked opponents so far this season, and a win on Saturday would make it 6.

Also, you might take a look at the Legends Coaches Poll:
http://www.legendschannel.com/
It's made up of 19 former top college football coaches (including several hall of fame winners). Unlike the polls used in the BCS rankings, these guys will watch the relevant games and will get together on a conference call to argue about the relative merits of one team over another. They publish their individual ballots (sometimes with commentary on why they voted the way they did) unlike the anonymous polls the BCS uses. I'd love to see it as part of the BCS equation.

[Preditor]

On a lighter note....

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Here's a good read on Newton.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5870788

Doc, oVo, I totally agree with your posts above.Thanks for the link Doc. Very interesting read....

[oVo]

Alabama has lost one game this season on their home turf
and it took an impressive second half effort to accomplish.

Hats off to Auburn for a hard earned win.

The SEC Championship is this Saturday and if South Carolina
prevails... dunno who the BCS-NC match up should be. I'm not
convinced Oregon/TCU would be the correct grand finale, but
it would be an interesting contest eh?

Can there be a legitimate BCS Title Game without a SEC team?

[Frito Bandito]

There can be no "legitimate" national championship game without a playoff system. It's doesn't matter whether a SEC team is in or not.

[Preditor]

legitimate BCS Title Game

Really?

[strike wolf]

Here's an interesting fact though. If Auburn and Oregon win out and meet up for the title game it will be the first time since the second BCS title game between Florida State and Virginia Tech that neither the Big 12 or the Big 10 were in the title game.

BCS national championship game (since the final #1 for all polls is a bit less clear) by conference:

ACC 1-2 (represented by Florida State (1-2)
Big East 1-2 (represented by Miami twice (1-1) and VT once (0-1) both now part of ACC)
Big 12 2-5 (Texas (1-1), Nebraska (0-1) and Oklahoma (1-3))
Big 10 1-2 (Ohio state (1-2))
Pac 10 1*-1 (USC (1*-1))
SEC 6-0 (Tenessee (1-0), Florida (2-0), LSU (2-0), Alabama (1-0))

So Big 12 has been to the title game the most but overall the SEC is the only conference with a winning record. Something else is that it's only been those conferences and if you look at it, the Big East hasn't been to the title game since 2002 when Miami lost to OSU and the ACC hasn't been since 2000 when they lost to Oklahoma. So it's mainly been a four conference show with the Big 10, the Big 12 and the SEC leading the way over the PAC 10 whose only win in the championship game has lead to a currently vacated title. and out of those conferences the only conferences that has had more than one team win the NC have been the SEC and the Big 12.

I believe on one hand the SEC's record in the big game speaks for itself and the SEC has beaten Boise every time they've played them during Boise's big run in the 2000s (I think that could very easily change seeing as Boise will be playing a middle of the road SEC team in Georgia next year). On the other hand I do think any team that is consistently 12-0 or 11-1 or 10-2 every year at some point needs their chance to play for the NC and for those reasons I think that the NCAA should adopt a play off system.

[oVo]

Actually... you can say no SEC team has lost to Boise State in a Bowl Game
because they have yet to meet in one.
Bronco Bowls: 6-4
1999 Humanitarian Bowl_ Boise State 34 Louisville 31
2000 Humanitarian Bowl_ Boise State 38 UTEP 23
2002 Humanitarian Bowl_ Boise State 34 Iowa State 16
2003 Fort Worth Bowl___ Boise State 34 TCU 31
2004 Liberty Bowl_______ Louisville 44 Boise State 40
2005 Computers Bowl ___ Boston College 27 Boise State 21
2007 BCS Fiesta Bowl . . . Boise State 43 Oklahoma 42 in OT one of the most entertaining upsets ever
2007 Hawaii Bowl_______ East Carolina 41 Boise State 38
2008 Poinsettia Bowl____ TCU 17 Boise State 16
2010 BCS Fiesta Bowl . . . Boise State 17 TCU 10

[HapSmo19]

The SEC Championship is this Saturday and if South Carolina
prevails... dunno who the BCS-NC match up should be.

Oregon/Wisconsin wouldn't surprise me.

[Preditor]

It won't be TCU that's for sure. The Arizona vs Arizona State game has turned into a knock down drag out fight!

[oVo]

I see Arizona State upset Arizona in double overtime with a second blocked PAT,
the first one late in the 4th Quarter allowed the game to reach OT.

Auburn's Cam Newton is ruled eligible by NCAA.

[Preditor]

Another edge of the seat game. Congrats to ASU for pulling off the win.

[rockfist]

Wisconsin defeated Arkansas in the 2007 Capital One Bowl. Wisconsin had -5 yards rushing in that game. Anything CAN happen, but if Wisconsin had 100 games with negative rushing yards they are losing between 95 and 99 of them - trust me.

Wisconsin is without a doubt secretly thankful Boise lost. Now they get to face off against TCU which gives them a much better chance for a bowl win. IMO between Boise and Wisconsin in Pasadena, Boise not only would be favored but they would win. Now you might not think so but you would have a hard time convincing the rest of country.

We will win our bowl game - full stop. I don't care who we play. I've been following college football for 30 or so years and this Wisconsin team is playing the best they ever have. We are not secretly happy Boise State lost, we would be openly happy that they lost if it got us into the championship game but it will not. Even if Auburn were to lose we are 5th in the BCS so we will not make it.

I, and many other Wisconsin and Big Ten fans, would want us to play Boise because the consensus of Big Ten fans is that we would destroy Boise and that would forever end this stupid argument about them being worthy of consideration for the championship, which would make a lot of SEC fans, Big 12 fans, Pac Ten fans, and Big Ten fans very happy. We are not a finesse team. Boise's undersized lineup may be able to compete with a really good finesse team in one game, but every team we have played all year knows what we are going to do on Offense and most of those Defenses have been bigger and stronger than Boise fucking State.

[Preditor]

LOL, It went from most of the country to a lot of SEC fans, Big 12 fans, Pac Ten fans, and Big Ten fans. Your group is shrinking in every post. With this skewed system it will be hard for you to prove your chest pounding. With Boise moving to the MWC they will just have to settle on making the darling teams uneasy.

[Frito Bandito]

Ha HA, Wisconsin was very fortunate to beat Arizona State at home. I really like Wisconsin. But they are a second tier Stanford (especially with the same colors )[/code]

Wisconsin defeated Arkansas in the 2007 Capital One Bowl. Wisconsin had -5 yards rushing in that game. Anything CAN happen, but if Wisconsin had 100 games with negative rushing yards they are losing between 95 and 99 of them - trust me.

Wisconsin is without a doubt secretly thankful Boise lost. Now they get to face off against TCU which gives them a much better chance for a bowl win. IMO between Boise and Wisconsin in Pasadena, Boise not only would be favored but they would win. Now you might not think so but you would have a hard time convincing the rest of country.

We will win our bowl game - full stop. I don't care who we play. I've been following college football for 30 or so years and this Wisconsin team is playing the best they ever have. We are not secretly happy Boise State lost, we would be openly happy that they lost if it got us into the championship game but it will not. Even if Auburn were to lose we are 5th in the BCS so we will not make it.

I, and many other Wisconsin and Big Ten fans, would want us to play Boise because the consensus of Big Ten fans is that we would destroy Boise and that would forever end this stupid argument about them being worthy of consideration for the championship, which would make a lot of SEC fans, Big 12 fans, Pac Ten fans, and Big Ten fans very happy. We are not a finesse team. Boise's undersized lineup may be able to compete with a really good finesse team in one game, but every team we have played all year knows what we are going to do on Offense and most of those Defenses have been bigger and stronger than Boise fucking State.

[rockfist]

LOL, It went from most of the country to a lot of SEC fans, Big 12 fans, Pac Ten fans, and Big Ten fans. Your group is shrinking in every post. With this skewed system it will be hard for you to prove your chest pounding. With Boise moving to the MWC they will just have to settle on making the darling teams uneasy.

Hmm I've got the South, the Midwest, the Southwest, and the West Coast...that seems like most of the country (and the only parts of the country that play good college football).

The reason Boise State pisses me off so much is precisely because my favorite team is not a darling team. For years Wisconsin like many other schools (Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, South Carolina, Oregon State, and Stanford to name a few) has played in a conference where traditional football powers (Michigan, Ohio State, Florida, Alabama, USC, Nebraska, Texas) have held court. Nothing against the perennial powers - good for them. To say to one of the schools in the first list "oh you finally won your conference and beat the 800 pound gorilla, great, but we think this team who beat Wyoming, New Mexico State, Hawaii, and Idaho deserves a shot at the title instead of you." shows a marked misunderstanding of the history of college football and no understanding of the height of the accomplishment a team achieves in winning one of those conferences. The traditional football powers would not be made to suffer if Boise State were to play for the national championship, it is the traditionally 2nd tier teams within their conferences who would be most likely to be affected and that is what makes the Boise State euphoria so odious.

[oVo]

Florida is not a traditional football power as their National Championships
have all occurred this decade. They are a tough SEC rival to Georgia and others.

There are a handful of teams with enviable football histories...
but it's all good.

Boise State doesn't piss me off at all... they have a great football program with an
excellent coaching staff that consistently produces good teams. Look at their bowl
game record and beyond... the Broncos are competitive at every level and a tough
win regardless of who they play. They've lost a few games, but never get blown out.

[john9blue]

the op says i have no chance to win... i beg to differ!

[Preditor]

rockfist, It's understandable that BSU makes you pissed off. As a true blue BSU nut this is just about the only pleasure we as fans can get with a system that revolves around only a few chosen teams. Wisconsin is one of those teams whether you agree or not. BSU football is very unique. BSU has pulled wins against tough teams when the odds are stacked against them time and time again. They do this WITHOUT highly recruited players and a program that operates on a budget that is a fraction of what most spend. I would agree with you if this was a one time deal but it isn't. BSU is a group of overachieving student athletes that don't demand respect, they just deserve it.

I have never said BSU is the "best" team. Others are allowed to have an opinion and should be respected just like yours is. If you don't want to hear about BSU then quit bringing them up.