Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually + Longevity]

[Dako]

I am not sure that TOFU-TSM will happen next in TOFU history.

why not? you speaking for us or speaking for you?

Speaking for us and mostly for myself. We need to discuss our plan at TOFU forum.

[reptile]

We just have done reptile. We don't mind taking on another though, or LoW

There is/was supposed to be a 3rd place playoff in the Conqueror's Cup, though some of my clanmates may not support this out of principle.

I thought we had already decided to not play the third place match? If anything, i would say just a challenge straight up. However right now wouldnt work, we have been talking about taking on another clan but have decided against it. We have quite a few key guys missing right now. lol. to take on a clan such as you guys we would definitely need them. But i know a LoW vs ToFu match would have to happen eventually, can't wait!

[jalen45]

I am not sure that TOFU-TSM will happen next in TOFU history.

why not? you speaking for us or speaking for you?

Speaking for us and mostly for myself. We need to discuss our plan at TOFU forum.

ok understandable. tsm may be interested in a clan war to start the year and we are weighing the options now. if TOFU has at least a tiny interest in this, then you should let us know.

[Blitzaholic]

As you all know chuuuuck has reached out to all the clan leaders 39 or 40 or so to power rank ALL the clans which is awesome and rank em all 1 - 39 or 40.

Also, you all realize JP has his ladder system.

Finally, I have the Perception of top 10 clans by years.

so, we have 3 different systems, and I may try to merge them all to get this years final outcome. Although, where this is a "perception" thread , I will more likey just merge chuuuuck's and mine and lump them together for final measurable outcome and leave JP's math one for him.

I have also reached out to 12 to 15 different clan members, mostly leaders, some not, but, who have some insight into clans, some may converse with others in their clan to collect info., some may not, to just give their perception of the top 10 clans of 2010. It is all confidential and Lindax will be attached to every pm for honesty, integrity and accuracy.
I have heard from at least a member of foed, thota, boftfm, legion, fistful of sixes, tsm, tofu, l4d, tofu, low, also dynasty and aod have pm'd me with some interest to perceive theirs soon.

Deadline will be one week at the very latest. My question is, is any other interested in perceiving their top 10 for this year? if so, pm me. I do not need every clan to participate and I do not need you to perceive all clans, just your top 10. Thx, Happy holidays.

[Blitzaholic]

I am not sure that TOFU-TSM will happen next in TOFU history.

why not? you speaking for us or speaking for you?

Speaking for us and mostly for myself. We need to discuss our plan at TOFU forum.

ok understandable. tsm may be interested in a clan war to start the year and we are weighing the options now. if TOFU has at least a tiny interest in this, then you should let us know.

that would be dynamite

[Dako]

I wonder what is the difference between your "perception" poll and chuuuucks power rankings. Both ask leaders to place clans in the order they think they are. What is the point to run the same thing twice?

[danryan]

None as far as I'm concerned - I'm using the top 10 from my power poll in this one.

[chemefreak]

I wonder what is the difference between your "perception" poll and chuuuucks power rankings. Both ask leaders to place clans in the order they think they are. What is the point to run the same thing twice?

Because it is Blitz...and we always do what he says No, in all seriousness, Blitz's thing here ranks clans based on their performance in that year. I know mine for this and for chuuuuck's power rankings were different. For instance, I believe that TSM is a Top 4 clan. No doubt about it. But they weren't very active this year (no slam here at all on TSM). So there were two clans that snuck ahead of them in my perception of clans in 2010 only. For chuuuuck's rankings, TSM occupies that Top 4 spot. It is a minor difference, but Blitzy's rankings are a snapshot of the year. Look at LoW and Nemesis for this year. Very good years for those two clans. Also, look at G1. They had great years so they move up a bit higher on this list than they would be in a overall ranking like chuuuuuck's rankings. Just my opinion.

[Blitzaholic]

I wonder what is the difference between your "perception" poll and chuuuucks power rankings. Both ask leaders to place clans in the order they think they are. What is the point to run the same thing twice?

a few things, mine is not based by all clans ranking all of the clans, but 12 to 15 respected clans only who are interested in perceiving their top 10, another is mine is not all based by all clans leaders although many are. Mine is done once per yer, chuuuuck 2x per year every 6 months, finally some may use the cup, challenges or league in their power rankings, in the perception one they may not. For example in the perception one , if tofu lost to kort in cup 31-29 for example, well that may change some clans to think kort was better that year, but, in perceptions thread, some may feel tofu is overall still better, even though they slightly lost, in power rankings it also will be based by performance, in perception, it may be based on your own personal experiences indiviaully and collectively over the enitre YEAR. Anyways, just curious to see how close they may be, I am sure they will reflect a lot fo accuracy, then thought I would merge the 2 for a final measurable outcome. overall, they are very close and similar. If you look at chuuuucks this last 6 months to oppiosed to ealrier 6 months, it may change, as it is every 6 months, where this is once a year over whole year one time.

[Qwert]

Well if in any case Kort win ConquerCup, and manage to Win Clan League- then these clan its no1 for 2010.

[Blitzaholic]

Well if in any case Kort win ConquerCup, and manage to Win Clan League- then these clan its no1 for 2010.

thx for your perception qwert.

[Qwert]

these is not mine perception, these can be fact that nobody can say that some other clan its no1.
You need to have some parameter for determin who its no1 clan for 2010.

[Leehar]

these is not mine perception, these can be fact that nobody can say that some other clan its no1.
You need to have some parameter for determin who its no1 clan for 2010.

I disagree, there are already reasons why the winner of the cc cup could not be conclusively named no.1 most notably that some clans did not compete in it, but also because it doesn't even complete in this year and can therefore not be used as a benchmark.

[Qwert]

well these is competition for 2010 years right? and i count bouth competitions-league and cup.

[Chariot of Fire]

I've just PM'd a bunch of random people - no science or method to it and all their answers are secret.

The results? TOFU is the greatest clan of all time apparently.

Maybe I should start a 'Greatest Clan' thread and make it official.

[Blitzaholic]

I've just PM'd a bunch of random people - no science or method to it and all their answers are secret.

The results? TOFU is the greatest clan of all time apparently.

Maybe I should start a 'Greatest Clan' thread and make it official.

Actually there is some that agree with you for being the greatest in 2010. A member from your clan already voted CoF as many others did, the most recent was from mythology. Like I said, any and all clans can wish to give there perception of top 10, if they want too. Nemesis currently is talking it over and sending it soon. No worries cof, it is legit. They are mostly all clan leaders just as chuuuucks and some from respected clans of members who follow some clan activity, also, some maybe talking to their other clans members to get accuracy. As similar to chuuuuuck's, lindax was attached to all and is assisting in keeping the honesty and accuracy of all this and has a spreadsheet. Again, I think it will be pretty close to what chuuuuck's outcome will be in his power rankings is my guess.

[Chariot of Fire]

Yeah I know. No probs really, I was just being a wise ass.

I just found it odd that you didn't contact any of the clan heads of TOFU, choosing instead to PM someone who doesn't spend a great deal of time on matters of clan hierarchy and who has PM'd you back with his Top 10 without first advising anyone in the clan (something I'm doing prior to submitting Chuck's list for example). So really the perception here is from a few individuals, not from a collective which may have formed a more accurate view of the entire clan community.

[Blitzaholic]

Yeah I know. No probs really, I was just being a wise ass.

I just found it odd that you didn't contact any of the clan heads of TOFU, choosing instead to PM someone who doesn't spend a great deal of time on matters of clan hierarchy and who has PM'd you back with his Top 10 without first advising anyone in the clan (something I'm doing prior to submitting Chuck's list for example). So really the perception here is from a few individuals, not from a collective which may have formed a more accurate view of the entire clan community.

Actually, if you want him to forward his list of top 10 to you, ask him, I bet it is pretty close to what you gave chuuuuck. If you want to review it with him, revamp it and resend it, PM me and that can be done Cof.

[Dako]

Will you announce who are the voters? Not who voted what, but the actual list of people?

[Blitzaholic]

Will you announce who are the voters? Not who voted what, but the actual list of people?

I don't see why not.

[Foxglove]

so, we have 3 different systems, and I may try to merge them all to get this years final outcome. Although, where this is a "perception" thread , I will more likey just merge chuuuuck's and mine and lump them together for final measurable outcome and leave JP's math one for him.

How do you plan to merge the results of your poll and chuuuuuck's? How will this lumping yield a measurable outcome?

It won't be measurable at all. It will be an amalgamation of two quasi-community-created lists that allows you to be the final arbiter of any discrepancies, inconsistencies, or biases.

Such a list might accurately be called: "Blitz's Perceptions, Nominally Influenced By Random Members of the CC Community"

That said, It will still probably be a fairly accurate list.

[Seulessliathan]

I've just PM'd a bunch of random people - no science or method to it and all their answers are secret.

The results? TOFU is the greatest clan of all time apparently.

Maybe I should start a 'Greatest Clan' thread and make it official.

i totally agree with CoF about this.

we have Chuuuuck´s power ranking system, now you copy it and all you change is the list of people you ask. What should be the sense of this? What is different to Chuuuuck´s power ranking? i don´t see the point of what you try to do here. You gather here some opinions about about the last year, ok, but why do you now do what Chuuuck did but chose the people at random or at your own will?
If every clan now pm´s their friends from other clans and make their own lists, what should be the benefit of all this?

i think Chuuuck´s system works very well, and we have jpcloet´s list. That´s fine. If you want a 3rd system, make it serious system and let all clans decide about the rules. What you do is just making some new rules at your own will.

Naming the voters might be a step in the good direction .... but if you want to make a 3rd system, you will have to ask other clans who should be the voters .... but then i don´t see the difference to Chuuuck´s system, and i think we don´t need a new system.
If you want to make your own power ranking, ok, but don´t try to make it look like it would base on a democratic system. Call it your own system and i will be fine with it.

[ljex]

so, we have 3 different systems, and I may try to merge them all to get this years final outcome. Although, where this is a "perception" thread , I will more likey just merge chuuuuck's and mine and lump them together for final measurable outcome and leave JP's math one for him.

How do you plan to merge the results of your poll and chuuuuuck's? How will this lumping yield a measurable outcome?

It won't be measurable at all. It will be an amalgamation of two quasi-community-created lists that allows you to be the final arbiter of any discrepancies, inconsistencies, or biases.

Such a list might accurately be called: "Blitz's Perceptions, Nominally Influenced By Random Members of the CC Community"

That said, It will still probably be a fairly accurate list.

This is true only if he merges them, but if he just uses his own then they will be 2 different lists, perceptions of 2010 and perception of a clan as a whole for the past and into the future. That said im not sure why we dont just use Chuuuucks poll though that is only my opinion im sure some disagree.

[Leehar]

Yeah, so what I think what Blitz is trying to get here, is that while the perhaps Thota may turn out to be the best clan overall for Chucks power rankings, another clan like Tofu could perhaps be the best clan for 2010, which will help him get his OP here right.

[Chuuuuck]

Geeze, I feel like my name makes it into every post, I feel famous!

But in all seriousness, glad to see people support the work for the Power Rankings, I will just keep on chugging away at it.