The Worst President

[The Bison King]

You're list sucks and is incredibly bias. Why isn't Andrew Johnson on your list?

[Phatscotty]

You're list sucks and is incredibly bias. Why isn't Andrew Johnson on your list?

Did you see my reasons for the list? can you challenge my reasons? go ahead

[The Bison King]

You're list sucks and is incredibly bias. Why isn't Andrew Johnson on your list?

Did you see my reasons for the list? can you challenge my reasons? go ahead

Free market, national banks, their all democrats, all that jazz right? I don't know I didn't read the whole thread. I'm not really afraid of socialism destroying America in the way that you are so that's not really an issue for me.


I always liked Woodrow Wilson. I know that he was an idealist, and maybe some of his idea's did work better in theory than in practice. Like the The League of nations. It was a good idea for it's time. It was Nevile Chamberlain's, and Europe's leaders policy of appeasement that allowed it to fail. I also respected the fact that he wanted to stay out of WWI.

FDR. pulled us out of the Great Depression so clearly his economic policy wasn't all that flawed.

Jimmy Carter... eh you might be right. Who cares really?

Moral of the story you probably know a lot more about what you're talking about but the things that are important to you aren't important to me. I'm not an economist so I always look at the other things a president accomplished.

Like Andrew Johnson fucking up reconstruction as bad as he did.

[Phatscotty]

You're list sucks and is incredibly bias. Why isn't Andrew Johnson on your list?

Did you see my reasons for the list? can you challenge my reasons? go ahead

FDR. pulled us out of the Great Depression so clearly his economic policy wasn't all that flawed.

Clearly? the depression didnt end until after his death. He only had 4 terms to fix the problems...right? Oh yeah and something about confiscating everyone's gold for 20$ per ounce and then making it illegal to sell it under 35$?

I doesnt ever matter that he was a democrat. What matters is the actions of FDR

[safariguy5]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

[Phatscotty]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

I probably would not change anything that happened before the civil war. You start messing with things and saying "well if this, then that..." and you could very well have handed the South victory through some unforseen consequence...

You can't get people to stand up and fight until they are ready to stand up and fight. If anything he was a weak leader, but he did not do intentional harm.

[Night Strike]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing.

[spurgistan]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing.

In this case, it could be argued that basically anything could have averted the Civil War. Not necessarily true, but the argument exists. Also, I think you're wrong, but I guess I prefer that you wrote this than stay silent on the issue. Possibly.

[Aradhus]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing.

That is wrong on so many levels.

Someone throws a knife at my head, I can:

Do nothing - the knife pierces my skull, pwns my brain and kills me.

Do the wrong thing - Bring up my arm to block the knife, the knife goes through my arm.

Do the right thing - Step aside, the knife misses, I am unharmed.

[Night Strike]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing.

That is wrong on so many levels.

Someone throws a knife at my head, I can:

Do nothing - the knife pierces my skull, pwns my brain and kills me.

Do the wrong thing - Bring up my arm to block the knife, the knife goes through my arm.

Do the right thing - Step aside, the knife misses, I am unharmed.

And that relates to government intervention how? Not at all.

[john9blue]

That is wrong on so many levels.

Someone throws a knife at my head, I can:

Do nothing - the knife pierces my skull, pwns my brain and kills me.

Do the wrong thing - Bring up my arm to block the knife, the knife goes through my arm.

Do the right thing - Step aside, the knife misses, I am unharmed.

Someone throws a knife at my arm, I can:

Do nothing - the knife pierces my arm, I have to go to the hospital and maybe get a prosthetic arm.

Do the wrong thing - Dodge to the right, causing the knife to pierce my heart instead and kill me.*

Do the right thing - Dodge to the left, causing the knife to miss my body.

Gosh this is fun! Wanna do another?

*depending on your personal opinions, and level of douchebaggery, you may consider this the best solution

[alex951]

merged with the first topic.

why???

[Timminz]

merged with the first topic.

why???

Because the second one didn't have an acceptable poll.

[spurgistan]

Also, can I nominate Dred Scott v Sandford for worst precedent?

[Aradhus]

That is wrong on so many levels.

Someone throws a knife at my head, I can:

Do nothing - the knife pierces my skull, pwns my brain and kills me.

Do the wrong thing - Bring up my arm to block the knife, the knife goes through my arm.

Do the right thing - Step aside, the knife misses, I am unharmed.

Someone throws a knife at my arm, I can:

Do nothing - the knife pierces my arm, I have to go to the hospital and maybe get a prosthetic arm.

Do the wrong thing - Dodge to the right, causing the knife to pierce my heart instead and kill me.*

Do the right thing - Dodge to the left, causing the knife to miss my body.

Gosh this is fun! Wanna do another?

*depending on your personal opinions, and level of douchebaggery, you may consider this the best solution

Do another what? We're playing different games. My game is, 'you're an idiot, let me show you why', your game is, 'I'm an idiot, let me show you how'.

Neetsteckt said doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. That is obviously a stupid premise. While there are situations that doing nothing is better then doing the wrong thing, there are also situations where doing nothing is worse than doing the wrong thing.

[Pedronicus]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing.

You are a massive bell end.

Hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Phatscotty]

merged with the first topic.

why???

Because SaxLad is HARD RIGHT and shut's down any non-original thought coming in a retaliatory repsonse, or just anything he disagrees with in general

[Phatscotty]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing.

You are a massive bell end.

Hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

In the context....that it is in....I agree.

I long for a time when Congress and Presidents were restrained by the consitution, as was it's the founders intent.

GOV'T SHALL NOT
GOV'T WILL NOT
EXECUTIVE MAY NOT
LEGISLATIVE CANNOT

rights are inalienable....yadda yadda

[john9blue]

That is wrong on so many levels.

Someone throws a knife at my head, I can:

Do nothing - the knife pierces my skull, pwns my brain and kills me.

Do the wrong thing - Bring up my arm to block the knife, the knife goes through my arm.

Do the right thing - Step aside, the knife misses, I am unharmed.

Someone throws a knife at my arm, I can:

Do nothing - the knife pierces my arm, I have to go to the hospital and maybe get a prosthetic arm.

Do the wrong thing - Dodge to the right, causing the knife to pierce my heart instead and kill me.*

Do the right thing - Dodge to the left, causing the knife to miss my body.

Gosh this is fun! Wanna do another?

*depending on your personal opinions, and level of douchebaggery, you may consider this the best solution

Do another what? We're playing different games. My game is, 'you're an idiot, let me show you why', your game is, 'I'm an idiot, let me show you how'.

Neetsteckt said doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. That is obviously a stupid premise. While there are situations that doing nothing is better then doing the wrong thing, there are also situations where doing nothing is worse than doing the wrong thing.

nightstrike says doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing

you say he's wrong and provide a counterexample

i say you're wrong and provide a counterexample

you call me an idiot for doing EXACTLY what you just did

aradhus, you're not exactly the sharpest crayon in the box. bringing your arm up to block the knife is doing the RIGHT thing, or at least something that is mostly good. doing the WRONG thing would be plunging your head forward so the knife enters your skull at a higher velocity and kills you faster.

unless your definition of "the right thing" is "the best possible thing" in which case, everybody is doing everything wrong and talking to you is even more worthless than i thought.

[Iliad]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing.

Actually in terms of crises or impending crises inaction is usually the worst thing the government can do.

[Night Strike]

I said Carter just because I think he was a bad president but not a bad person.

To me the worst president was Buchanan. Say what you will about the the ones in the poll, but at least they were men of action. Crises were met with some sort of response. Right or wrong, at least they rose to the challenge. Buchanan sat on the issues of slavery and states rights and did nothing.

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing.

Actually in terms of crises or impending crises inaction is usually the worst thing the government can do.

By the government's own predictions, not having the stimulus would have been a lower unemployment level than what we have now after the stimulus. Plus we got $816 billion of debt for it.

[rockfist]

I don't doubt that the stimulus stopped some job loss. The problem is that the so called experts in the Obama administration and on the left claimed that with the stimulus we would not go above 8% joblessness, which means one of the following:

1) They lied about how effective it would be in order to get it passed, which could have happened for several reasons.
2) They badly underestimated how bad the economy was declining before and just after passage.
3) They badly overestimated how effective the stimulus would be in providing jobs.

So I ask you of those three options, which of them inspires faith and trust in the government experts in the Obama administration?

Biden's "recovery summer" will go down in the same category as "mission accomplished."

[nagerous]

Without racist-Wilson's groundwork, we wouldn't have been stuck with the policies of those latter presidents.


For those of you who don't know, one of the reasons Wilson was a racist is because he was the one who segregated the military and other government offices.

And also that quote at the beginning of Birth of a Nation.

[Timminz]

Nightstrike: <blanket statement>

Aradhus: <example that shows blanket statement to be false>

john9blue: <example of when blanket statement might fit>



Protip: one example of when a generalization fits, does not make that generalization true, while it only takes a single case to the contrary in order to show it to be false.

[Night Strike]

Nightstrike: <blanket statement>

Aradhus: <example that shows blanket statement to be false>

john9blue: <example of when blanket statement might fit>



Protip: one example of when a generalization fits, does not make that generalization true, while it only takes a single case to the contrary in order to show it to be false.

Except that I specifically clarified that my post was in regards to government spending/action, not some random scenario, which no case has been shown to the contrary.