Post-Apocalyptic Mafia - Town Wins! [Archive]

[safariguy5]

Is anybody else worried by Violet's PR thing?

i'm worried she'll basically use it as a pass to contribute completely nothing for the rest of the game and yet avoid suspicion, cause "she has a PR".

Violet can you clarify your PR a bit? Are you able to make normal posts and have just gotten a bit carried away in your last couple of posts?

Ahem....

Hm, odd that there's no mention of the gigglers. I don't know what the shadow points to although I suspect the abomination. Could be a mafia kill on the average man?

Does anyone get the feeling Vio could be part of the Christian Cult?

That's not a real big problem for me though Haggis, what I'm worrying about here is this:

I don't think he is scum (as in the mafia), I think he is a third party whose win condition could be counterproductive to the towns. Hell in the matrix mafia I was nearly lynched when one person claimed they didn't trust me. When I was sufficiently pressured I claimed, as I and the town had little to fear of each other. His extreme reluctance to claim makes me suspicious, as those who are most likely afraid of a claim are cops docs and those harmful to the town. I really can't see a mod telling us not to trust our cop/doc so option 3 seems the most readily apparent.

Why would I claim now? If I claimed with two votes on me you would immediately say that it was too quick and probably fake. Your rationale seems to be that a mod wouldn't give a warning, which is probably flavour, about a doc or cop but would about a serial killer or third party? That can't make sense.

Where is my 'extreme reluctance to claim'? Do you mean now when I am l-6? When the case against me was created by someone who I believe to be scummy (who incidentally created the panic but then didn't vote for me)? C'mon now

Also, if I were scum I wouldn't have pushed the campin lynch, rather than trying to slow it, so I could win some trust with the town. If I were serial killer I wouldn't have volunteered the extra speculation about my role (at least certainly not on day 1) for fear of giving away something which would reveal me. Other third party roles? I suppose there could be a survivor (although that would seem somewhat ironic in post-apocalyptic mafia) but that wouldn't be much of a threat, we've already had at least one recruiter (christians) and possibly another (werewolves) so that would seem unlikely.

I know that this a bit defensive against so few votes, but I really want to move on so we can look at some of the interesting topics of discussion.

You are of course right. I would be poor form for you to claim at L-5 right now. I am trying to narrow that gap a bit because I really do believe you are a threat.

So how exactly are we supposed to treat the campin lynch? When knox uses it as justification for town, we're saying it's not valid because he was inactive. But now jeraado is also using that lynch as justification for innocence. If we're being true to form here, we can't hold the campin lynch to two interpretations depending on the person.

[edocsil]

So how exactly are we supposed to treat the campin lynch? When knox uses it as justification for town, we're saying it's not valid because he was inactive. But now jeraado is also using that lynch as justification for innocence. If we're being true to form here, we can't hold the campin lynch to two interpretations depending on the person.

Personally I don't know how Campin's lynch factors in to all of this. I personally feel like it was a bit lucky and shouldn't be used to asses who is scum and who is not. Personally what I find scummy is jeraado holding up a scum lynch as proof of his innocence to be scummy. Any one of the scum could have killed him to give themselves an alibi.

I look back at that little blurb an I don't know how well my point got through. Did it make sense?

[jeraado]

See, I just don't think it can be justification for town. If you were mafia, and you had an inactive scummate wouldn't you make sure you were on board once they were suspected? I am speculating that dlanor actually generated the lynch because he needed trust and credibility, but even if he isn't mafia, you'd expect the scum to have voted for the lynch.

My point is that if you knew campin was mafia, you wouldn't associate yourself with him like I ended up doing (although I didn't try to stop the lynch, just slow it down so we talked first). I know you could claim it was an elaborate ploy, but that would be way out of character for me, and would be a stupid risk to take.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I don't think he is scum (as in the mafia), I think he is a third party whose win condition could be counterproductive to the towns. Hell in the matrix mafia I was nearly lynched when one person claimed they didn't trust me. When I was sufficiently pressured I claimed, as I and the town had little to fear of each other. His extreme reluctance to claim makes me suspicious, as those who are most likely afraid of a claim are cops docs and those harmful to the town. I really can't see a mod telling us not to trust our cop/doc so option 3 seems the most readily apparent.

There are many reasons to avoid a claim. You don't have to have one of those three roles to be a potential scum target. Don't treat mafia so simply.

As he already said, (I'm just reiterating) there was not enough pressure to justify a claim. From my point of view, you are trying to force a premature claim based on a lead that is most likely just flavor in the role.

Campin's lynch isn't even a factor for me in this case. I consider that a lucky lynch by a desperate town faction. The only thing I got out of it was a growing suspicion of knox. Because if I was scum with an inactive scumbuddy, I would lynch him without thinking twice.

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I would not discredit the possibility of town getting a few bonuses in flavor, after all we know of 4 non-town factions, that's nearly a fifth of the game, in factions alone. In a case like this I could see how town could use a few handicaps, I recall back in godfather mafia, I was a deputy and was informed that my superior was untrustworthy, as it turns out he was a cop with a corruptible role.
All I'm saying is, which is more fair?
1. mafia faction+ werewolf faction+ third party culty faction+ fiendish thing+ pre-screwed townie roles
or
2.mafia faction+ werewolf faction+ third party culty faction+ fiendish thing+ a bit of flavor info for town

I for one think it is rather unusual to go right ahead and say you are a hated real life person and leave it at that. Besides, a role name doesn't seem like it would be that revealing in this case since the theme is so random.
I want to hear more Vote jeraado

[jeraado]

I for one think it is rather unusual to go right ahead and say you are a hated real life person and leave it at that. Besides, a role name doesn't seem like it would be that revealing in this case since the theme is so random.

You're wrong.

If I said I was Sherlock Holmes you would immediately know I was a cop. If I said I was Doctor Zhivago you would know I was a doctor. If I said I was Don Corleone you would know I was a mafia godfather. If I said I was / you would know I was illogical.

[jeraado]

Footnote: I realise that that last comment was a bit over the top. If I could edit I would rephrase my point and take out that last line, but /, I apologise for making that dig. I may not respect the post, but I do respect you and shouldn't have made a personal comment. Please put it down to my frustration that we'll probably get set a deadline and wind up having to make a lynch without having followed any of the available viable leads.

[Streaker]

My vote isn't a bullshit vote. Knox already made a case against Streaker yesterday, and I found that particular post scummy. Frankly any mod who wouldn't give a day to a sub who is replacing someone on the verge of lynching is shit. Not only that, he didn't vote for Fuzzy, but Knox, who hadn't even had the chance to defend herself yet. All in the name of progress or info, which is about the widest tree to hide behind. So there Streaker, there's why I found that post scummy.

-Tails

Thanks, TG. At least know I know what to clarify. In short, I requested an extention of the deadline so the newcomer would have time to catch up. I did not want to assume Commander would have given the extention no matter what. I voted DIanor at that time because of the deadline coming in 24 hours. We agreed we wanted a lynch over no lynch, so I finally casted my vote on the case we were on. This way, it was a win-win for me. Either we got a lynch, or DIanor got the time needed to catch up, and no harm would be done.

That being said, I'm aware of the case against me, and I believe that it is weak at best. Would it not be better to focus on the players who are contributing absolutely nothing, rather then the ones who are at least trying to help?
I think even DIanor would agree if I said it is better to at least stick your head out, then avoiding any kind of suspicion at all.

For now, I would like to start focusing on Vio and Saxlad. Both with PR's, both not contributing anything, to any case. I find it strange they haven't gotten more attention then they have so far. I will be trying to build a case around them, later today.
Will FoS on Vio and Sax...

And to close this post:

Footnote: I realise that that last comment was a bit over the top. If I could edit I would rephrase my point and take out that last line, but /, I apologise for making that dig. I may not respect the post, but I do respect you and shouldn't have made a personal comment. Please put it down to my frustration that we'll probably get set a deadline and wind up having to make a lynch without having followed any of the available viable leads.

I don't think Commander will be putting us on a deadline soon. He already expressed he won't do it unless there is a general lack of activity, and that's not the case. As long as we keep going, I think we will have all the time we need.

[Skoffin]

Back in my day themed mods were proud of their themed games and put a lot of effort into it. It'd not surprise me in the least to see a role in here that matched its role name and thus could reveal the role simply by naming it. The dead already seem to indicate that there is a mix of real people and made up ones but all geared to somehow match their role flavour. I find this Jeraando wagon rather questionable. The focus seems to be entirely on supposed flavour that other players have given, both of whom have been questionable themselves, and not on anything that Jeraado has done himself. Particularly curious is Dlanox's using it as a point against him when he has been speaking against using flavour speculation.

I'm of mind that Commander wanted his game to be somewhat realistic and fleshed it out that way. Realistically, not everyone is 'liked', even the biggest goody two-shoes has those that dislike them for whatever reason. Hell even my fantastical self has enemies (Speaking of me as Skoffin, not as my role) and until there is more specification on how/why Jeraado is hated by these two then I do not think it fair to lynch him based solely on his unwillingness to reveal his name that could verify well make him the mafia's next target.
Although Jeraado, based on what little you have said on your role and the opening scene I kinda am assuming you might be Arnold. Just stating that as the mafia may have assumed the same as well.


On another note, I'd like to see more from violet and Sax. Sax is at least putting something besides the PR in his posts, while Violet has spouted nothing but her PR nonsense. I think she is using it as an excuse to skate through this game without actually participating. I don't know if you guys have noticed but I also have a PR which I've been using this entire time and, while difficult to work in sometimes, it does not cripple my ability to talk about the game. I also do not believe a mod would design a role in such a game where someone cannot contribute to it. FOS Violet.

[safariguy5]

That's one of the problems with Vio. She'll tend to be very uneven in her activity throughout the course of a game.

[safariguy5]

Speaking of which,

My vote isn't a bullshit vote. Knox already made a case against Streaker yesterday, and I found that particular post scummy. Frankly any mod who wouldn't give a day to a sub who is replacing someone on the verge of lynching is shit. Not only that, he didn't vote for Fuzzy, but Knox, who hadn't even had the chance to defend herself yet. All in the name of progress or info, which is about the widest tree to hide behind. So there Streaker, there's why I found that post scummy.

-Tails

Thanks, TG. At least know I know what to clarify. In short, I requested an extention of the deadline so the newcomer would have time to catch up. I did not want to assume Commander would have given the extention no matter what. I voted DIanor at that time because of the deadline coming in 24 hours. We agreed we wanted a lynch over no lynch, so I finally casted my vote on the case we were on. This way, it was a win-win for me. Either we got a lynch, or DIanor got the time needed to catch up, and no harm would be done.

That being said, I'm aware of the case against me, and I believe that it is weak at best. Would it not be better to focus on the players who are contributing absolutely nothing, rather then the ones who are at least trying to help?
I think even DIanor would agree if I said it is better to at least stick your head out, then avoiding any kind of suspicion at all.

For now, I would like to start focusing on Vio and Saxlad. Both with PR's, both not contributing anything, to any case. I find it strange they haven't gotten more attention then they have so far. I will be trying to build a case around them, later today.
Will FoS on Vio and Sax...

And to close this post:

Footnote: I realise that that last comment was a bit over the top. If I could edit I would rephrase my point and take out that last line, but /, I apologise for making that dig. I may not respect the post, but I do respect you and shouldn't have made a personal comment. Please put it down to my frustration that we'll probably get set a deadline and wind up having to make a lynch without having followed any of the available viable leads.

I don't think Commander will be putting us on a deadline soon. He already expressed he won't do it unless there is a general lack of activity, and that's not the case. As long as we keep going, I think we will have all the time we need.

iliad hasn't posted in a while.

unvote vote iliad

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Hooo boy. That was an interesting week to say the least.

You'll have to give me a few days before I am able to come on here and post any real content guys.

I'll be coming on this weekend, so you'll get some good content out of me then.

What I'll say for now in the limited time I have is the following brief assessments.

Jeerado is scumming it up. He's panicing scum, and he's trying to worm his way out of an awkward situation.
Streaker gets +1 town points for his explanation of his situation yesterday. However, I still just have this gut feeling about him. I'll reserve that though.
Jeerado gets +1 scum points for the Massive AtE he's throwing down.
Jeerado gets +1 scum points for the Ad Hominem attack against /.
Jeerado gets +1 scum points for poor use of logic.

Safariguy gets +1 scum points for that vote on Iilad. >.>

/ continues to rise as a town read for me.

Unvote, Vote Jeerado.

I would like pressure on this wagon, and a claim. More indepth analysis of Jeerado's play to follow when I get time.

Last note: I like the content that's being posted guys. It's making it a lot easier to make reads. Keep up the good work, sorry that I'm being a drag.

[VioIet]

Is anybody else worried by Violet's PR thing?

i'm worried she'll basically use it as a pass to contribute completely nothing for the rest of the game and yet avoid suspicion, cause "she has a PR".

Violet can you clarify your PR a bit? Are you able to make normal posts and have just gotten a bit carried away in your last couple of posts?

NO

Run for you lives!!! Run for your lives!!!

Its the mental curiosity from the asylum of your mind functions as a dog without his leash on the frugal yet expensive sofa that will sit out all the fiber of your beings and suck away every breath from your soul.

Unless of course, you pass your science test, so memorize that periodic table and study hard kids.

Spoiler

I hope I can get away with the spoiler tags and the mod didn't say anything about them. Basically I am completely insane- or rather just misunderstood, and my posts have to be insane. But i do need to figure out a way to contribute to the game. And i did very early on Day 1, and I was inactive for most of Day 2 and Day 3. I missed my PR on Day 2, so I really really had to make up for it- which explains the escalated insanity of the last few posts.

[edocsil]

Is anybody else worried by Violet's PR thing?

i'm worried she'll basically use it as a pass to contribute completely nothing for the rest of the game and yet avoid suspicion, cause "she has a PR".

Violet can you clarify your PR a bit? Are you able to make normal posts and have just gotten a bit carried away in your last couple of posts?

NO

Run for you lives!!! Run for your lives!!!

Its the mental curiosity from the asylum of your mind functions as a dog without his leash on the frugal yet expensive sofa that will sit out all the fiber of your beings and suck away every breath from your soul.

Unless of course, you pass your science test, so memorize that periodic table and study hard kids.

Spoiler

I hope I can get away with the spoiler tags and the mod didn't say anything about them. Basically I am completely insane- or rather just misunderstood, and my posts have to be insane. But i do need to figure out a way to contribute to the game. And i did very early on Day 1, and I was inactive for most of Day 2 and Day 3. I missed my PR on Day 2, so I really really had to make up for it- which explains the escalated insanity of the last few posts.

And this is why I almost never include PRs, ruins the game for a player.

[Commander9]

I will clear out a lot of stuff after the game and I'm sure most of people will agree that nothing is over the top. In fact, I have to say I'm really pleased with this day so far and I like the activity/content that is coming up.

And it's sooooo hilarious at times

[safariguy5]

So it seems like we're focusing on jeraado as a possible lynch target. I think Vio is ok despite the large number of FoS's on her partly because of the PR and partly because her activity is back (despite being a bit light on substance). I'd like iliad to get back into the discussion, but the vote is a bit misguided considering he already outed a werewolf so I will unvote.

That said, it really looks like we're being split on the role flavor of jeraado. We've heard arguments for why it could be scummy and why it may not be. I'm tending to believe that he's not necessarily mafia but could be third party. It's still not a bad idea to get a claim considering all the crazy factions we have running around.

vote jeraado

[Mr. Squirrel]

Back in my day

Every time you get all nostalgic, skoffin, I picture you as this:


That said, I'm glad you chimed in when you did. I thought I would have been defending jeraado solo here. I'm glad some of the oldies know what I am talking about.

That said, it really looks like we're being split on the role flavor of jeraado. We've heard arguments for why it could be scummy and why it may not be. I'm tending to believe that he's not necessarily mafia but could be third party. It's still not a bad idea to get a claim considering all the crazy factions we have running around.

Why is it that everyone throws around claims like they are nothing? Claiming your role is a big deal. It should never be done unless absolutely necessary. Yet for some reason, you guys push it on jeraado even when you don't think he is scum! This baffles me. How will it help town to know a claim, if it isn't a scum member claiming it? The entire purpose of claiming is to determine whether or not to lynch a scum target. If you already don't think they are scum, then don't make them claim.

And I know you will reply saying that third party can be just as detrimental as scum, but my point still stands. The mod would not purposely ruin the game for a player. If he is a SK or anything that could hurt us, the mod would not have specifically told the townies not to trust him. It ruins the game for the player. Plain and simple. If he is third party (which is possible, maybe even probable), it will probably be a survivor or something like that which should not need to claim.

[TheSaxlad]

Back in my day

Every time you get all nostalgic, skoffin, I picture you as this:


That said, I'm glad you chimed in when you did. I thought I would have been defending jeraado solo here. I'm glad some of the oldies know what I am talking about.

That said, it really looks like we're being split on the role flavor of jeraado. We've heard arguments for why it could be scummy and why it may not be. I'm tending to believe that he's not necessarily mafia but could be third party. It's still not a bad idea to get a claim considering all the crazy factions we have running around.

Why is it that everyone throws around claims like they are nothing? Claiming your role is a big deal. It should never be done unless absolutely necessary. Yet for some reason, you guys push it on jeraado even when you don't think he is scum! This baffles me. How will it help town to know a claim, if it isn't a scum member claiming it? The entire purpose of claiming is to determine whether or not to lynch a scum target. If you already don't think they are scum, then don't make them claim.

And I know you will reply saying that third party can be just as detrimental as scum, but my point still stands. The mod would not purposely ruin the game for a player. If he is a SK or anything that could hurt us, the mod would not have specifically told the townies not to trust him. It ruins the game for the player. Plain and simple. If he is third party (which is possible, maybe even probable), it will probably be a survivor or something like that which should not need to claim.

Rather than that, maybe da mafia have to lynch im or summat like that and it makes dem easier to win da game. knoz what i sayinz? I think we should be looking at da onez whoz try famez jezza. ya no wat i say?

Peacez Bitchez.

[safariguy5]

I think what Sax is saying and Squirrel is hinting at is that we need to find the people pushing for the lynch. But that's Dlanor, and we already went over this case yesterday. Since her role pm apparently says not to trust jeraado, does that make her mafia? If we're going by broken mechanics, then mafia getting a suggestion for a target from the mod isn't too fair to the player either. That means that what Sax and Squirrel are basically saying is that we rehash a case on someone who (by those two's standards) probably won't flip mafia anyways.

[TheSaxlad]

I think what Sax is saying and Squirrel is hinting at is that we need to find the people pushing for the lynch. But that's Dlanor, and we already went over this case yesterday. Since her role pm apparently says not to trust jeraado, does that make her mafia? If we're going by broken mechanics, then mafia getting a suggestion for a target from the mod isn't too fair to the player either. That means that what Sax and Squirrel are basically saying is that we rehash a case on someone who (by those two's standards) probably won't flip mafia anyways.

Its not just Dlanorxz der was somezonez elsez. Illz seez if i canz findz itz.

lolz.

[TheSaxlad]

Look, I guarantee that Jerado is some kind of third party role. Maybe a lyncher. I have role related info on him.

In other news, what has changed since I posted my case on Streaker?

Naxus, I want an EXACT list of things that have changed, and how they have relevance to my case on streaker.

To be honest, if you admit to reading my case, you would know that he was next on my list.

plus.

also, I hate to do this, But I agree with Dlanor that Jarado should be looked into as I have Role info about him that says he's not to be trusted.

also FOS Haggis for being unusually queit

So Dlanorz and Naxusz

Could ya A. Be tryinz to bumpz off der scummate as like a winz conditionz, werez in day4z rememberz.
B. dey could be tellinz da truf but den I wantz dem to spillz.
C. tellinz porkyz and meaninz dey arez are lynchez candidatez.

FOZ Dlanorz nd naxuz

spillz guyz, what you no on jezza dat ve dontz?

[Haggis_McMutton]

@Sax, dude I think you're starting to go a bit overboard with the PR, it's becoming hard to understand what you're saying(for me anyway).

@Violet, I'm pretty sure the mod doesn't want to completely stop you from communicating, so the spoiler tags should be fine. Please stop posting just random nonsense.

@the case on jeraado,man, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I'll try to re-read this weekend. The flavour, of course, doesn't mean much, but I did get some bad vibes from him.
However, the fact that 2 dudes would independently be told he's not trustworthy seems odd to me. My initial hunch is that the two are either linked somehow or one of them is lying.

[Streaker]

@Sax, dude I think you're starting to go a bit overboard with the PR, it's becoming hard to understand what you're saying(for me anyway).

@Violet, I'm pretty sure the mod doesn't want to completely stop you from communicating, so the spoiler tags should be fine. Please stop posting just random nonsense.

@the case on jeraado,man, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I'll try to re-read this weekend. The flavour, of course, doesn't mean much, but I did get some bad vibes from him.
However, the fact that 2 dudes would independently be told he's not trustworthy seems odd to me. My initial hunch is that the two are either linked somehow or one of them is lying.

I was considering the underlined part, myself. It would certainly be a good angle for scum to make and justify cases. One player claims the 'no-trust', and naxus jumps into it with the same claim. Sounds scummy as hell. My reasoning behind this is that naxus claimed it secondly, it is a good place to hide and start a case on someone.
IMO, it is very unlikely that 2 persons would be given info on the same non-town member. All this, and several other Fos' from other players, makes Naxus a viable target for further investigation.

FoS Naxus
I'd like some input from the rest of the players, before casting a vote.

[TheSaxlad]

@Sax, dude I think you're starting to go a bit overboard with the PR, it's becoming hard to understand what you're saying(for me anyway).

@Violet, I'm pretty sure the mod doesn't want to completely stop you from communicating, so the spoiler tags should be fine. Please stop posting just random nonsense.

@the case on jeraado,man, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I'll try to re-read this weekend. The flavour, of course, doesn't mean much, but I did get some bad vibes from him.
However, the fact that 2 dudes would independently be told he's not trustworthy seems odd to me. My initial hunch is that the two are either linked somehow or one of them is lying.

okayz haggz ma man, ilz tonez iz downz ya?

[Skoffin]

Back in my day

Every time you get all nostalgic, skoffin, I picture you as this:

Who are you calling old and sentimental you young whipper snapper? Back in my day kids had more respect. *Waves cane*


Anyway I agree with the points made on role claims. Claiming is a bit deal folks, it is the very last action that you must take to preserve yourself. No one should just claim at the slightest provocation, it's bad for the one claiming and it serves mafia better than it serves the rest of us. It seems apparent that many of those wishing for him to claim are only doing so from focusing on the flavour speculation that other players supplied. If it was something like a cop claiming a report that would be one thing, but it's not. They claimed to not like him. I do not find it reasonable to demand a premature claim over nothing more then the stated dislike by another player. Especially when we don't know the roles of those claiming this flavour.
The most obvious role connected to hating another player is a lyncher, yet that option was discarded almost immediately. Instead focusing on the slim possibility that it makes Jeraado scum of a sinister third party. I don't find it difficult to believe that those claiming to hate could be lying, or that Jeraado could be hated but as a townie. Which leads me to wonder why others seem adamant that neither of these could be the case despite not having provided any sufficient evidence to state so.

Personally, I think Knox and Nexus are less suspicious in this than those that are trying to get a claim without having evidence themselves against him.

Also, since it has begun to bug me for some ungodly reason, Knox is a guy.