Disney is for the sexists/racist, Dreamworks is for children

[Army of GOD]

Only if we can have a thread dedicated to Jasmine...

[InsomniaRed]

Only if we can have a thread dedicated to Jasmine...

I would have a thread dedicated to every Aladdin character individually

[Juan_Bottom]

She obliged to selflessly save her father... and that's an extremely loose definition of slave. And she turned on them because she was open-minded and could see that the Beast was good. Seriously, how long has it been since you saw the movie? You can't call Belle anything other than a hero and good role model for young girls.

Well obviously the people who came to kill the Beast were in the right, as they were simply enforcing the laws of the land. Consider the forest lawless and the castle a bastion for criminals. Sooner or later the Beast had to be punished for his crimes against Belle. Sometimes when victims are held against their will for long periods of time, they will begin to empathize or feel badly for their captors. Belle was clearly suffering from this mental illness. It's a horrible message to send to kids, and you'll find no such controversy in Madagascar the series.

[muy_thaiguy]

She obliged to selflessly save her father... and that's an extremely loose definition of slave. And she turned on them because she was open-minded and could see that the Beast was good. Seriously, how long has it been since you saw the movie? You can't call Belle anything other than a hero and good role model for young girls.

Well obviously the people who came to kill the Beast were in the right, as they were simply enforcing the laws of the land. Consider the forest lawless and the castle a bastion for criminals. Sooner or later the Beast had to be punished for his crimes against Belle. Sometimes when victims are held against their will for long periods of time, they will begin to empathize or feel badly for their captors. Belle was clearly suffering from this mental illness. It's a horrible message to send to kids, and you'll find no such controversy in Madagascar the series.

Wasn't Belle only there for like 3-4 days at the most with talking/singing/dancing household items? Not exactly alone, plus she was more or less free to roam the castle (minus the one room with the flower).

[MeDeFe]

She obliged to selflessly save her father... and that's an extremely loose definition of slave. And she turned on them because she was open-minded and could see that the Beast was good. Seriously, how long has it been since you saw the movie? You can't call Belle anything other than a hero and good role model for young girls.

Well obviously the people who came to kill the Beast were in the right, as they were simply enforcing the laws of the land. Consider the forest lawless and the castle a bastion for criminals. Sooner or later the Beast had to be punished for his crimes against Belle. Sometimes when victims are held against their will for long periods of time, they will begin to empathize or feel badly for their captors. Belle was clearly suffering from this mental illness. It's a horrible message to send to kids, and you'll find no such controversy in Madagascar the series.

Stockholm Syndrome.

And yes, it's a very good explanation for Belle's changing attitude toward her abductor, even to the point of falling in love with him. It's a defense mechanism against being in a situation you have no control over and which goes against your own wishes, if escape is impossible and you cannot influence the situation you have to change your outlook, convince yourself that you approve of the motives of your captor, eventually you adopt them as your own and may choose to remain with your captor even if a chance at escape or rescue presents itself.

The message of the movie then? It's ok to abduct people, eventually they will approve of it themselves.

[natty dread]

i'll have to clear something out : walt disney hated jews = fact --------- jews are a race = false, it is a religion that's all, so anyone can freely hate jews or any other religious people without being a racist = fact

Take your hate speech elsewhere, please.

[john9blue]

that's actually hilarious, i never thought about the interpretation of belle having symptoms of stockholm syndrome, although i highly doubt that's what the creators had in mind...

[natty dread]

that's actually hilarious, i never thought about the interpretation of belle having symptoms of stockholm syndrome, although i highly doubt that's what the creators had in mind...

It all makes sense if you really think about it!

[Sackett58]

Dear God, how can I ever take my daughter on Peter Pan ride again.

[The Bison King]

I'm all about Dreamworks and Disney, pretty much animation of all sort's but ahem:

Dreamworks animation studios is a company that's about creating entertainment for the family, not about showing sex to children or encouraging them to be slutty or stupid.

Chel from Dreamworks, Road to El Dorado is like the leading cause of Pre-Teen Boners in North America.

Any way about Disney, Maybe some of the stories have somewhat racist or sexist elements to them, but that doesn't mean that the stories are inherently racist or sexist or preach that kind of message. Besides would you rather that all childrens entertainment become complete sanitized and devoid of everything that's reminiscent of real world situations? Would you prefer that every kids movie be a bunch of big eyed singing mice talking abut friendship and teamwork? People always underestimate the childrens market, and by proxy children.

Also in searching for a good picture of Chel I came across this hilarious little nugget:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dp22KRD5zM
I hope you like animated Elton Johns!

[ben79]

i'll have to clear something out : walt disney hated jews = fact --------- jews are a race = false, it is a religion that's all, so anyone can freely hate jews or any other religious people without being a racist = fact

Take your hate speech elsewhere, please.

please tell me where's the hate in that sentence, can you elaborate on it please, i don't see it

[natty dread]

i'll have to clear something out : walt disney hated jews = fact --------- jews are a race = false, it is a religion that's all, so anyone can freely hate jews or any other religious people without being a racist = fact

Take your hate speech elsewhere, please.

please tell me where's the hate in that sentence, can you elaborate on it please, i don't see it

Surely you understand that saying things like "it's not racism if you hate jews" can be considered hate speech.

[nagerous]

i'll have to clear something out : walt disney hated jews = fact --------- jews are a race = false, it is a religion that's all, so anyone can freely hate jews or any other religious people without being a racist = fact

Take your hate speech elsewhere, please.

please tell me where's the hate in that sentence, can you elaborate on it please, i don't see it

Surely you understand that saying things like "it's not racism if you hate jews" can be considered hate speech.

I think he is just trying to make an argument that anti-semitism is a different form of bigotry and not racist as such.

[stahrgazer]

She obliged to selflessly save her father... and that's an extremely loose definition of slave. And she turned on them because she was open-minded and could see that the Beast was good. Seriously, how long has it been since you saw the movie? You can't call Belle anything other than a hero and good role model for young girls.

Well obviously the people who came to kill the Beast were in the right, as they were simply enforcing the laws of the land. Consider the forest lawless and the castle a bastion for criminals. Sooner or later the Beast had to be punished for his crimes against Belle. Sometimes when victims are held against their will for long periods of time, they will begin to empathize or feel badly for their captors. Belle was clearly suffering from this mental illness. It's a horrible message to send to kids, and you'll find no such controversy in Madagascar the series.

I guess you missed the part where Beast showed a heart and compassion after all, which is what led to Belle deciding he wasn't such a terrible thing after all?

As for Disney being sexist: sure. Very few he/she's in Disney. Most females had decidedly female attitudes, and most men had decidedly male attitudes. Some women had evil female attitudes, some had benevolent; some men had evil male attitudes, some benevolent.. but definitely there were gender traits.

What, precisely, is wrong with women being women and men being men? I don't get the idea that "human equality means we're exactly the same." I like diversity.

But yeah, let's condemn Disney because Walt was a product of 1920's attitudes and some of his creations show it. My god, he even had an Uncle Rhemus in Song of the South, that terrible man! Then again, was any of that "showing signs of the times" decidedly nasty? No.

As for Dreamworks, there was a movie with ants, and the evil ants happened to be a lot darker than the hero ants... is that a sign of modern racism?

[The Bison King]

AHA!!! I found it! I was looking for this:

The Disney Vault (TV Funhouse)

It's on Hulu so I apologize for submitting you to whatever advertisement they throw on before it, but it's worth it.

[Fircoal]

As for Disney being sexist: sure. Very few he/she's in Disney. Most females had decidedly female attitudes, and most men had decidedly male attitudes. Some women had evil female attitudes, some had benevolent; some men had evil male attitudes, some benevolent.. but definitely there were gender traits.

What, precisely, is wrong with women being women and men being men? I don't get the idea that "human equality means we're exactly the same." I like diversity.

That it promotes a flawed idea of gender?

[MeDeFe]

She obliged to selflessly save her father... and that's an extremely loose definition of slave. And she turned on them because she was open-minded and could see that the Beast was good. Seriously, how long has it been since you saw the movie? You can't call Belle anything other than a hero and good role model for young girls.

Well obviously the people who came to kill the Beast were in the right, as they were simply enforcing the laws of the land. Consider the forest lawless and the castle a bastion for criminals. Sooner or later the Beast had to be punished for his crimes against Belle. Sometimes when victims are held against their will for long periods of time, they will begin to empathize or feel badly for their captors. Belle was clearly suffering from this mental illness. It's a horrible message to send to kids, and you'll find no such controversy in Madagascar the series.

I guess you missed the part where Beast showed a heart and compassion after all, which is what led to Belle deciding he wasn't such a terrible thing after all?

*snip*

I see, so you're saying it's ok to abduct people as long as you're compassionate about it. Great moral of the story, bro!

[Juan_Bottom]

As for Dreamworks, there was a movie with ants, and the evil ants happened to be a lot darker than the hero ants... is that a sign of modern racism?

Did it feel racist?

Chel from Dreamworks, Road to El Dorado is like the leading cause of Pre-Teen Boners in North America.

Well I don't actually watch Dreamworks pictures myself. But that's clearly just traditional garb, so I really commend Dreamworks for making a children's film that's fun and friendly to South American traditions. They're like children's PBS in theaters. Unlike Disney with the film Aladdin, which is more destructive to Arab Culture than beneficial to it.

[InsomniaRed]

Good thing Aladdin was an American movie and not an Arabian one!

[The Bison King]

Well I don't actually watch Dreamworks pictures myself. But that's clearly just traditional garb, so I really commend Dreamworks for making a children's film that's fun and friendly to South American traditions. They're like children's PBS in theaters. Unlike Disney with the film Aladdin, which is more destructive to Arab Culture than beneficial to it.

What?! are you serious? If you don't even watch Dreamworks movies you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Chel was a thief and mega slut. Like the worst example for women ever! Also there's like mass human sacrifice in that movie. Basically the 2 white guys pretty much tell south American Indians that they're doing it wrong, and make them stop.

They're like children's PBS in theaters.

THAT SOUNDS AWFUL! Who want's to watch that?

[stahrgazer]

She obliged to selflessly save her father... and that's an extremely loose definition of slave. And she turned on them because she was open-minded and could see that the Beast was good. Seriously, how long has it been since you saw the movie? You can't call Belle anything other than a hero and good role model for young girls.

Well obviously the people who came to kill the Beast were in the right, as they were simply enforcing the laws of the land. Consider the forest lawless and the castle a bastion for criminals. Sooner or later the Beast had to be punished for his crimes against Belle. Sometimes when victims are held against their will for long periods of time, they will begin to empathize or feel badly for their captors. Belle was clearly suffering from this mental illness. It's a horrible message to send to kids, and you'll find no such controversy in Madagascar the series.

I guess you missed the part where Beast showed a heart and compassion after all, which is what led to Belle deciding he wasn't such a terrible thing after all?

*snip*

I see, so you're saying it's ok to abduct people as long as you're compassionate about it. Great moral of the story, bro!

Well, if you recall, the supposedly "abducted" people trespassed on Beast's land; it's not like he went to the city looking to abduct Belle. So wasn't it fair of Beast to hold them accountable for trespassing?

[Lootifer]

Only skimmed thread, but regardless of what Walt was or wasn't, Disney, as a maker of cartoons, is just pretty bad at what they do.

Nick/CN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disney

[stahrgazer]

As for Dreamworks, there was a movie with ants, and the evil ants happened to be a lot darker than the hero ants... is that a sign of modern racism?

Did it feel racist?

I'd say it's about as racist as the movies you named from Disney. I mean, my gosh, they made the bad guy DARK.. just like, my gosh, Disney made the circus workers DARK.

Wonder how one explains Mickey Mouse (black mouse, but a good guy) in Disney terms, though...

[InsomniaRed]

She obliged to selflessly save her father... and that's an extremely loose definition of slave. And she turned on them because she was open-minded and could see that the Beast was good. Seriously, how long has it been since you saw the movie? You can't call Belle anything other than a hero and good role model for young girls.

Well obviously the people who came to kill the Beast were in the right, as they were simply enforcing the laws of the land. Consider the forest lawless and the castle a bastion for criminals. Sooner or later the Beast had to be punished for his crimes against Belle. Sometimes when victims are held against their will for long periods of time, they will begin to empathize or feel badly for their captors. Belle was clearly suffering from this mental illness. It's a horrible message to send to kids, and you'll find no such controversy in Madagascar the series.

I guess you missed the part where Beast showed a heart and compassion after all, which is what led to Belle deciding he wasn't such a terrible thing after all?

*snip*

I see, so you're saying it's ok to abduct people as long as you're compassionate about it. Great moral of the story, bro!

Well, if you recall, the supposedly "abducted" people trespassed on Beast's land; it's not like he went to the city looking to abduct Belle. So wasn't it fair of Beast to hold them accountable for trespassing?

So if someone walked on my property, I can imprison them for trespassing, as long as I make them fall in love with me afterward? I'm confused at the logic behind this movie now.

[patches70]

The logic some use to make judgments upon very old Disney movies is an example of "Historian's Fallacy- occurs when one assumes that decision makers of the past viewed events from the same perspective and having the same information as those subsequently analyzing the decision."

Some are looking at this stuff through the prism of today's thinking and ignoring the actual times these movies were made. Not only do they make their own subjective judgments about the meanings, but also assume that everyone else should think the same way.


The haters need to relax.