The Murder Of Albarezzi- End Game- Mafia Wins!

[Commander9]

I feel that some people have been a bit too hard on anark. He gave Victor 24 hours to claim. Also ,Victor didn't provide any sort of defense when he posted. This is pretty much a sign that he is not going to.

I think if some people were really so concerned with sully accumulating too many votes; they would have unvoted to ensure that he wasn't hammered before he claimed.

All of those who have a vote on Victor at the moment are almost, or just as much to blame as Anark. I don't see anyone rushing to unvote Sully to prevent someone from hammering him. If edoc's claim is true- then certainly there are scum on Victor's wagon- probably the earlier votes. Then how convenient to just wait for someone to hammer, as long as it isn't you. And then you can conveniently use it as an argument to accuse them.

Just trying to think outside the box a bit for this one; i think this is definitely plausible.

Yes, this could be true, but it's all based on pure speculation. As far as Sully goes, when nark "hammered", he was L-2, which is good enough for someone to provide claim, but Nark thought it was L-1 and he tried to hammer. He's a good player and he knows better - I don't see any excuses why he'd do that, I'm sorry.

While your suggestion is definitely possible and I wouldn't be surprised to see mafia in that BW, this is all based on speculation. But it could also be just as good of speculation to say that mafia could stay out of that BW, try to defend Sully and then when he was lynched and turned up town, used that as an argument to base their innocence. I do like your idea, but I'm not going to shift my vote just because of speculation...

We have a fact that Nark thought that he was hammering a person who still hadn't claimed and whatever you say, I will always say that's scummy. I'm not defending Sully - what he has done is very scummy and him not defending himself only makes it worse, but we can have a cop or a tracker to work with him.

[Anarkistsdream]

I wouldn't want to be the hammer that drops on me. I'm a bomb. That said. Whoever is stupid enough to NK me will die too. As soon as I found out I was a bomb, I decided to have fun during this game. And that's what I'm doing. In games like Buffy, I have a plan, and really think out all I post. This one gets to be cool.

So, town don't lynch me... You lose two that way. Because I AM town. Mafia, NK me and lose one of your own.

[DoomYoshi]

Wow, I blinked and came back to nearly a double role claim, and it's only day 1.

[edocsil]

I wouldn't want to be the hammer that drops on me. I'm a bomb. That said. Whoever is stupid enough to NK me will die too. As soon as I found out I was a bomb, I decided to have fun during this game. And that's what I'm doing. In games like Buffy, I have a plan, and really think out all I post. This one gets to be cool.

So, town don't lynch me... You lose two that way. Because I AM town. Mafia, NK me and lose one of your own.

Someone put him at l-1. If there is a VT they should test it, if not I have the balls to do so.

[Victor Sullivan]

*chuckles* Yes, edoc is telling the truth. Props to Nark's fail - I think the bomb claim is fake. Just a way to try to not get lynched, if you ask me. vote anarkistsdream. And we definitely have some potential scum to lynch tomorrow if we look at my early voters.

[spiesr]

I wouldn't want to be the hammer that drops on me. I'm a bomb. That said. Whoever is stupid enough to NK me will die too. As soon as I found out I was a bomb, I decided to have fun during this game. And that's what I'm doing. In games like Buffy, I have a plan, and really think out all I post. This one gets to be cool. So, town don't lynch me... You lose two that way. Because I AM town. Mafia, NK me and lose one of your own.

Someone put him at l-1. If there is a VT they should test it, if not I have the balls to do so.

Ooh ooh pick me! I am crazy enough to do that. Plus, with the world ending soon, I won't live forever anyway...

[edocsil]

I wouldn't want to be the hammer that drops on me. I'm a bomb. That said. Whoever is stupid enough to NK me will die too. As soon as I found out I was a bomb, I decided to have fun during this game. And that's what I'm doing. In games like Buffy, I have a plan, and really think out all I post. This one gets to be cool. So, town don't lynch me... You lose two that way. Because I AM town. Mafia, NK me and lose one of your own.

Someone put him at l-1. If there is a VT they should test it, if not I have the balls to do so.

Ooh ooh pick me! I am crazy enough to do that. Plus, with the world ending soon, I won't live forever anyway...

Good. For your sake I hope he is lying. What ever he is he is no friend of the town.

[Anarkistsdream]

I am 100% telling the truth.

Doesn't make any sense to go and kill two townies when there is no harm, no foul, right? Victor didn't get lynched and everyone is still alive, so after I get done with class and work today, I'll browse through a quick re-read and see what's up. If you guys REALLY want me to die, though... Someone is coming with me.

[edocsil]

I am 100% telling the truth.

Doesn't make any sense to go and kill two townies when there is no harm, no foul, right? Victor didn't get lynched and everyone is still alive, so after I get done with class and work today, I'll browse through a quick re-read and see what's up. If you guys REALLY want me to die, though... Someone is coming with me.

There is a distinct chance that we will have one dead townie, but why would you try to hammer on a foolish case? Surely you know the time and lynches would be spent on you. It is not the action of a townie, it is the action of 3rd party who has little care for who dies or a scum trying to cover his tracks.

[Anarkistsdream]

I am 100% telling the truth.

Doesn't make any sense to go and kill two townies when there is no harm, no foul, right? Victor didn't get lynched and everyone is still alive, so after I get done with class and work today, I'll browse through a quick re-read and see what's up. If you guys REALLY want me to die, though... Someone is coming with me.

There is a distinct chance that we will have one dead townie, but why would you try to hammer on a foolish case? Surely you know the time and lynches would be spent on you. It is not the action of a townie, it is the action of 3rd party who has little care for who dies or a scum trying to cover his tracks.

Or someone trying to move past Day 1.

[Drabod]

I am 100% telling the truth.

Doesn't make any sense to go and kill two townies when there is no harm, no foul, right? Victor didn't get lynched and everyone is still alive, so after I get done with class and work today, I'll browse through a quick re-read and see what's up. If you guys REALLY want me to die, though... Someone is coming with me.

There is a distinct chance that we will have one dead townie, but why would you try to hammer on a foolish case? Surely you know the time and lynches would be spent on you. It is not the action of a townie, it is the action of 3rd party who has little care for who dies or a scum trying to cover his tracks.

Or someone trying to move past Day 1.

Patience is key on day 1, theres no point rushing a game or mistakes would be made, only scum/third party will care about this i dont believe his claim hes trying to stay alive UNVOTE VOTE ANARK

[Drabod]

would not care about this *

[Anarkistsdream]

Guys, seriously, don't let a good player hammer me... And if you have a really important role, don't hammer me- unless you are scum. Then, go for it.

[DoomYoshi]

Unvote neither of the claims are all that believable although narks is moreso. So I must Vote victor.

[Commander9]

I wouldn't want to be the hammer that drops on me. I'm a bomb. That said. Whoever is stupid enough to NK me will die too. As soon as I found out I was a bomb, I decided to have fun during this game. And that's what I'm doing. In games like Buffy, I have a plan, and really think out all I post. This one gets to be cool.

So, town don't lynch me... You lose two that way. Because I AM town. Mafia, NK me and lose one of your own.

So you're just "The Bomb" ? No background, characters name or role name? Nice.

Unvote neither of the claims are all that believable although narks is moreso. So I must Vote victor.

Trying to defend your scummate? This claim is obviously fake - he didn't even provide any additional information about his role and just tried to scare us. As Edoc said, he hasn't acted like a townie one bit.

[spiesr]

I wouldn't want to be the hammer that drops on me. I'm a bomb. That said. Whoever is stupid enough to NK me will die too. As soon as I found out I was a bomb, I decided to have fun during this game. And that's what I'm doing. In games like Buffy, I have a plan, and really think out all I post. This one gets to be cool. So, town don't lynch me... You lose two that way. Because I AM town. Mafia, NK me and lose one of your own.

So you're just "The Bomb" ? No background, characters name or role name? Nice.

Now, you may be overreaching on this point. He didn't provide all the flavor the comes with his role claim, but does that mean that what he said is definitely false? It seems that he didn't provide it becuase he simply didn't want to bother, does that mean that such info doesn't exist becuase his claim is fake? Possibly, but that is rather poor reasoning to be following at this point. You have to look at the context and see that whether or not AD is fake-claiming he wouldn't have provided that info that you think he should have. That being said, I am still okay with lynching him and nothing can stop the meteor once it begins its decent. But you needs to use proper reasoning when saying stuff like that...

[Commander9]

So you're just "The Bomb" ? No background, characters name or role name? Nice.

Now, you may be overreaching on this point. He didn't provide all the flavor the comes with his role claim, but does that mean that what he said is definitely false? It seems that he didn't provide it becuase he simply didn't want to bother, does that mean that such info doesn't exist becuase his claim is fake? Possibly, but that is rather poor reasoning to be following at this point. You have to look at the context and see that whether or not AD is fake-claiming he wouldn't have provided that info that you think he should have. That being said, I am still okay with lynching him and nothing can stop the meteor once it begins its decent. But you needs to use proper reasoning when saying stuff like that...[/quote]

I still think it's proper reasoning - he didn't provide it because he couldn't think of anything to compliment it and just tried to scare us. He could easily have provided some background info and he's an experienced player enough (probably most experienced) to know that when you're in trouble, you're supposed to provide a bit more information than "Oh, I'm a bomb - if you will kill me, I'll take you with me"

[safariguy5]

That's the problem with the Bomb claim. It's like the Joker defense. I'm crazy and you'll regret crossing me sort of deal. And it can't really be tested unless he's killed. I guess my role isn't important enough that I absolutely have to live, so I'll volunteer for the hammer. And in my modded games, I usually don't tell the bomb they're the bomb. It's just a VT role.

[DoomYoshi]

You have already voted for him saf, you will have to unvote first if you want to drop the hammer on him.

[Anarkistsdream]

Fine, fine... You want me to fully claim

I am Valentino De Luca, Town Vig and Lover of another character here, though I will not tell you who, obviously.

I am not a bomb, nor am I scum.

If you kill me, you kill my lover too, who is a Jack of All Trades. This would obviously be a mistake. However, since I have a vig role, I did not want to out myself too easily, as that makes me definite target for mafia at night.

[edocsil]

Fine, fine... You want me to fully claim

I am Valentino De Luca, Town Vig and Lover of another character here, though I will not tell you who, obviously.

I am not a bomb, nor am I scum.

If you kill me, you kill my lover too, who is a Jack of All Trades. This would obviously be a mistake. However, since I have a vig role, I did not want to out myself too easily, as that makes me definite target for mafia at night.

Well at least I guessed right about the lying. I still don't get why you tried to hammer Victor, that was incredibly foolish, doubly so for a lover. I guess I still really don't believe you, well perhaps believe is the wrong word, perhaps trust. I am contemplating forcing you to claim your lover to prove you story. There is the obvious issue of protecting 2 lovers which is the only reason I do not insist on it.

The JOAT is what flavor? 1 kill 1 investigate 1 protect?

[Drabod]

Fine, fine... You want me to fully claim

I am Valentino De Luca, Town Vig and Lover of another character here, though I will not tell you who, obviously.

I am not a bomb, nor am I scum.

If you kill me, you kill my lover too, who is a Jack of All Trades. This would obviously be a mistake. However, since I have a vig role, I did not want to out myself too easily, as that makes me definite target for mafia at night.

I am inclined to believe him however i dont tolerate lying :/ UNVOTE FOR NOW BUT STILL FOS

But why did you claim to be a bomb, wouldn't it have been easier just to claim your town role straight away? You really have confused me and i dont know what to say :S

[safariguy5]

Well, that makes 1 probable backup to power role, 1 vig and lover JOAT so far. Geez man, I don't think the doc can save everyone. About the claim, while I subscribe to the LaL policy, and the lover claim can prevent people from testing a fakeclaim, I think that things will shake themselves out pretty soon as there's no way we can save all the power roles being claimed so far. I do think Victor might me more valuable to protect than Nark right now though. However, if we agree that this is true, this again leaves us without a good target for a lynch today.

unvote

[VioIet]

Nark, why didn't you just say this the first time around?

It just only made me more suspicious of you.

And safari, I disagree. I think Nark is more powerful to protect than Victor. Even if Victor and Edoc are masoned- edoc doesn't die if Victor is killed, nor lose his powers.

Nark's lover will die- and losing powers is inevitable to dying of course. I would say Nark should definitely be protected first and foremost.

But now, if everyone's claims are true- then we don't won't to lynch Nark or Victor or Edoc or Nark's lover.

Guess we have to find another target. I may just revisit spier's end of the world claim. He was awfully eager to risk killing himself.

And did pancake disappear again?

[edocsil]

Nark, why didn't you just say this the first time around?

It just only made me more suspicious of you.

And safari, I disagree. I think Nark is more powerful to protect than Victor. Even if Victor and Edoc are masoned- edoc doesn't die if Victor is killed, nor lose his powers.

Nark's lover will die- and losing powers is inevitable to dying of course. I would say Nark should definitely be protected first and foremost.

But now, if everyone's claims are true- then we don't won't to lynch Nark or Victor or Edoc or Nark's lover.

Guess we have to find another target. I may just revisit spier's end of the world claim. He was awfully eager to risk killing himself.

And did pancake disappear again?

Spiesr is likely clean as he was willing to sacrifice himself for the towns benefit.

He is the list

1. Nark
2. Commander
3. pancake
4. safari
5. spiesr
6. Vi
7. Edoc
8. /
9. drabod
10. Sully
11. Yoshi

IMO I think Yoshi or PCM would be the best possible lynches. You already know my thoughts on PCM. Yoshi waffled quite a bit between Nark and Vic, trying to follow public opinion but really just drawing attention to himself. others have also stated cases against him that I find plausible.

Unvote Vote Yoshi

Also Nark, I do desire to know if your lover has a protection.