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The accused are suspected of: Using macro scripts to gain an unfair advantage.
Game number(s): [game]8678937[/game]
Comments: In the above game during round 7, the accused begins their turn immediately as I begin mine. jsnyder748 also almost times out, understandably due to being absent from their computer, but returns just in time in order to take advantage of their illegal means of playing. This technique is most likely doing using an illegal 'autotyper' script coupled with the legal clickable maps add-on. I estimate the accused had a the typing script to press 'b' every second until I began my turn. This act defies the strategic element of freestyle and has certainly decided the game I was playing.
I'm not going to patronise the moderators here who obviously know the CC rules and would obviously classify this as abuse of the game as well as its add-ons.
Thanks very much for reading. I look forward to the moderators concerned with cheating reports to do whatever they feel justifyable.
Unfortunately, turns can also be started by physically holding down the "b" key, and for the time being, appears to be indistinguishable from using a script.
I am sorry you feel that I cheated, but i did nothing wrong and didn't even know what a macro is until I asked my friend. First of all I joined the game because I knew I would get first turn if you weren't around to start but since it was manual you purposefully skipped the first turn to get first turn yourself which isn't very fair but i was fine with it because you were a high rank just like me. Then you accuse me of using scripts when all I was doing was holding down the "b" button with a weight because that was the only I was going to be able to win the game after you getting first turn.
jsnyder748 wrote:I am sorry you feel that I cheated, but i did nothing wrong and didn't even know what a macro is until I asked my friend. First of all I joined the game because I knew I would get first turn if you weren't around to start but since it was manual you purposefully skipped the first turn to get first turn yourself which isn't very fair but i was fine with it because you were a high rank just like me. Then you accuse me of using scripts when all I was doing was holding down the "b" button with a weight because that was the only I was going to be able to win the game after you getting first turn.
Thanks very much for speeding up this process by incriminating yourself. I'm positive using 3rd party means to play the game for you is cheating.
Apology accepted, by the way. Just don't let it happen again; we don't want any pesky weights falling onto the 'b' button by accident, causing you to start your turn!
Having machines or programs make or start turns for you is not allowed. So be careful in making any scripts that would make turns for you. We like to maintain that only people will play in all games and not people who have their own (super) scripts to play the game for them.
a weight is considered a machine thus it is not allowed and you admitted to useing a weight thus you admitted to useing a machine thus you admitted to cheating
basic_man2010_20 wrote:Having machines or programs make or start turns for you is not allowed. So be careful in making any scripts that would make turns for you. We like to maintain that only people will play in all games and not people who have their own (super) scripts to play the game for them.
a weight is considered a machine thus it is not allowed and you admitted to useing a weight thus you admitted to useing a machine thus you admitted to cheating
Actually, precedent here states that it is not cheating.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
basic_man2010_20 wrote:Having machines or programs make or start turns for you is not allowed. So be careful in making any scripts that would make turns for you. We like to maintain that only people will play in all games and not people who have their own (super) scripts to play the game for them.
a weight is considered a machine thus it is not allowed and you admitted to useing a weight thus you admitted to useing a machine thus you admitted to cheating
Actually, precedent here states that it is not cheating.
That is correct. CC does not care about a "weight". A weight is NOT considered a machine. A machine is something that mechanically performs a task like hit a button. Not just sitting on one.
This post was made by jefjef who should be on your ignore list.
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
basic_man2010_20 wrote:Having machines or programs make or start turns for you is not allowed. So be careful in making any scripts that would make turns for you. We like to maintain that only people will play in all games and not people who have their own (super) scripts to play the game for them.
a weight is considered a machine thus it is not allowed and you admitted to useing a weight thus you admitted to useing a machine thus you admitted to cheating
Actually, precedent here states that it is not cheating.
That is correct. CC does not care about a "weight". A weight is NOT considered a machine. A machine is something that mechanically performs a task like hit a button. Not just sitting on one.
i have something you can sit on. i used to use weights all the time.
jsnyder748 wrote:I am sorry you feel that I cheated, but i did nothing wrong and didn't even know what a macro is until I asked my friend. First of all I joined the game because I knew I would get first turn if you weren't around to start but since it was manual you purposefully skipped the first turn to get first turn yourself which isn't very fair but i was fine with it because you were a high rank just like me. Then you accuse me of using scripts when all I was doing was holding down the "b" button with a weight because that was the only I was going to be able to win the game after you getting first turn.
Thanks very much for speeding up this process by incriminating yourself. I'm positive using 3rd party means to play the game for you is cheating.
Apology accepted, by the way. Just don't let it happen again; we don't want any pesky weights falling onto the 'b' button by accident, causing you to start your turn!
wait a min here so what you are saying is that he is a cheat (when mods have determined this not to be cheating before.)
but you are skipping first turn to gain a advantage of going first (something the mods have busted players for previously.)
i sug you change this c and a report towards yourself i hold down the b button as well only due to the fact my connection is not that fast on the refresh pace. and ussually i have been hit and lost bonus before i even start.
eddie2 wrote:wait a min here so what you are saying is that he is a cheat (when mods have determined this not to be cheating before.)
but you are skipping first turn to gain a advantage of going first (something the mods have busted players for previously.)
sdh wrote:your the cheat here obliterationX, for missing the first turn to gain an advantage
Thanks for the fascinating insights. Unfortunately, the trick is something done by many, many legitimate players, and is something I myself have been a victim of countless times. It’s just like the old freestyle trick – people will use it legally to their advantage until the people who script this game make the effort to patch it up. Until they do that, myself and others will still use it. I’m all for using legal means to maximise my chances of winning. People are going to do it to me, I don’t understand why I would not also try that. If this is going to become an issue, I will happily trawl through the many manual-freestyle games of top players and report them accordingly. Could you please provide an instance of a bust as a result of exploiting a loophole that exists in the game system? Patch it up if it’s going to be a problem. Anyway, anybody trying to justify someone starting their turn and not playing for almost 50 minutes is clearly just digging themselves into a hole. It’s obvious what’s gone on here, I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
I daresay, Morals are highly outdated, and anywhays they do it too.. So, I would suggest those without sin to cast the first stone… . . Eerie silence. . . Anyways, hitting the B when using an applet is less reprehensible then making everybody wait, or so I feel, but it’s a tactic, and it nets you a medal, so who cares…
i waited 50 minutes because the movie i was watching, 10 feet away from the computer, happened to be Gladiator (one of the greatest movies of all time). Who can blame me for not playing for 50 minutes when they are watching a great movie.
obliterationX wrote: Thanks for the fascinating insights. Unfortunately, the trick is something done by many, many legitimate players, and is something I myself have been a victim of countless times.
jsnyder748 wrote:i waited 50 minutes because the movie i was watching, 10 feet away from the computer, happened to be Gladiator (one of the greatest movies of all time). Who can blame me for not playing for 50 minutes when they are watching a great movie.
i've done this before.
16:00:18 ‹Pixar› Valentines Day the one day in they year that the V and the D come together
jsnyder748 wrote:i waited 50 minutes because the movie i was watching, 10 feet away from the computer, happened to be Gladiator (one of the greatest movies of all time). Who can blame me for not playing for 50 minutes when they are watching a great movie.
jsnyder748 wrote:i waited 50 minutes because the movie i was watching, 10 feet away from the computer, happened to be Gladiator (one of the greatest movies of all time). Who can blame me for not playing for 50 minutes when they are watching a great movie.
i've done this before.
Did you watch the Gladiator too?
no some other movie, i think it was 2012
16:00:18 ‹Pixar› Valentines Day the one day in they year that the V and the D come together
jsnyder748 wrote:i waited 50 minutes because the movie i was watching, 10 feet away from the computer, happened to be Gladiator (one of the greatest movies of all time). Who can blame me for not playing for 50 minutes when they are watching a great movie.
i've done this before.
Did you watch the Gladiator too?
lol, you ever seen a grown man naked?
no cheating here, move along.
“One of God's own prototypes.....never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”
since you opened up this can of worms ... how many more games would you like to have shown to prove that you yourself are using this tactic to your advantage ... i think that 20 + games documented would be considered constantly using this tactic to your advantage ... there were more games to view but i thought this was enough to prove my point
i checked all your games that contained the following settings :
City Mogul Manual Deployment 2 Player Standard Game Freestyle Escalating or Flat Rate Unlimited Reinforcements Sunny
you started this very early : [game]6949648[/game] . [game]6949649[/game] . [game]6949650[/game]
[game]8678937[/game] 2011-03-11 17:22:20 - Game has been initialized 2011-03-11 17:22:25 - jsnyder748 began deploying initial troops 2011-03-11 17:22:27 - jsnyder748 ended the turn 2011-03-12 17:22:20 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]8565542[/game] 2011-02-22 04:02:05 - Game has been initialized 2011-02-22 04:02:09 - Aca888 began deploying initial troops 2011-02-22 04:02:12 - Aca888 ended the turn 2011-02-23 04:02:05 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7022368[/game] 2010-05-22 21:25:14 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-22 21:25:20 - chaakal began deploying initial troops 2010-05-22 21:25:28 - chaakal ended the turn 2010-05-23 21:25:14 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]8468967[/game] 2011-02-07 12:01:37 - Game has been initialized 2011-02-07 12:02:14 - yannyy began deploying initial troops 2011-02-07 12:02:18 - yannyy ended the turn 2011-02-08 12:01:37 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009361[/game] 2010-05-20 14:56:58 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 14:57:12 - imaratbag began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 14:57:15 - imaratbag ended the turn 2010-05-21 14:56:58 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009359[/game] 2010-05-20 15:02:33 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 15:03:00 - gerding began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 15:03:13 - gerding ended the turn 2010-05-21 15:02:33 - obliterationX missed a turn [game]7009357[/game] 2010-05-22 10:58:24 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-22 10:58:31 - riskfan1 began deploying initial troops 2010-05-22 10:58:35 - riskfan1 ended the turn 2010-05-23 10:58:24 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009355[/game] 2010-05-21 06:43:57 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-21 06:44:59 - Narrabri began deploying initial troops 2010-05-21 06:45:19 - Narrabri ended the turn 2010-05-22 06:43:57 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009354[/game] 2010-05-21 03:11:12 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-21 03:11:24 - Amuk1960 began deploying initial troops 2010-05-21 03:11:27 - Amuk1960 ended the turn 2010-05-22 03:11:12 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009353[/game] 2010-05-20 23:22:19 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 23:22:35 - mike.clarke862 began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 23:22:40 - mike.clarke862 ended the turn 2010-05-21 23:22:19 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009352[/game] 2010-05-20 04:08:59 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 04:09:43 - DirtyVixion86 began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 04:09:49 - DirtyVixion86 ended the turn 2010-05-21 04:08:59 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009351[/game] 2010-05-20 02:57:57 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 02:58:17 - manzi began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 02:58:28 - manzi ended the turn 2010-05-21 02:57:57 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6982465[/game] 2010-05-18 07:32:12 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-18 07:33:56 - Chinkydog began deploying initial troops 2010-05-18 07:34:01 - Chinkydog ended the turn 2010-05-19 07:32:12 - obliterationX missed a turn [game]6989308[/game] 2010-05-17 23:44:00 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-17 23:44:13 - hoffbo began deploying initial troops 2010-05-17 23:44:40 - hoffbo ended the turn 2010-05-18 23:44:00 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989306[/game] 2010-05-18 12:26:27 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-18 12:27:00 - wjfladland began deploying initial troops 2010-05-18 12:27:06 - wjfladland ended the turn 2010-05-19 12:26:27 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989305[/game] 2010-05-18 10:35:19 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-18 10:36:12 - Firkarg began deploying initial troops 2010-05-18 10:36:14 - Firkarg ended the turn 2010-05-19 10:35:19 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989304[/game] 2010-05-18 09:13:18 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-18 09:14:25 - angaralı began deploying initial troops 2010-05-18 09:14:31 - angaralı ended the turn 2010-05-19 09:13:18 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989303[/game] 2010-05-17 10:13:00 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-17 10:13:09 - burzghash began deploying initial troops 2010-05-17 10:13:27 - burzghash ended the turn 2010-05-18 10:13:00 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989302[/game] 2010-05-17 18:59:18 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-17 18:59:26 - kingvon began deploying initial troops 2010-05-17 18:59:46 - kingvon ended the turn 2010-05-18 18:59:18 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989078[/game] 2010-05-16 02:30:12 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-16 02:30:16 - Photophil began deploying initial troops 2010-05-16 02:30:19 - Photophil ended the turn 2010-05-17 02:30:12 - obliterationX missed a turn
My question to the Cheat & Abuse Moderators Is This A Form Of Cheating To Gain An Advantage ???
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eddie2 wrote:wait a min here so what you are saying is that he is a cheat (when mods have determined this not to be cheating before.)
but you are skipping first turn to gain a advantage of going first (something the mods have busted players for previously.)
sdh wrote:your the cheat here obliterationX, for missing the first turn to gain an advantage
Thanks for the fascinating insights. Unfortunately, the trick is something done by many, many legitimate players, and is something I myself have been a victim of countless times. It’s just like the old freestyle trick – people will use it legally to their advantage until the people who script this game make the effort to patch it up. Until they do that, myself and others will still use it. I’m all for using legal means to maximise my chances of winning. People are going to do it to me, I don’t understand why I would not also try that. If this is going to become an issue, I will happily trawl through the many manual-freestyle games of top players and report them accordingly. Could you please provide an instance of a bust as a result of exploiting a loophole that exists in the game system? Patch it up if it’s going to be a problem. Anyway, anybody trying to justify someone starting their turn and not playing for almost 50 minutes is clearly just digging themselves into a hole. It’s obvious what’s gone on here, I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
Ask and you shall receive
king achilles wrote:Although there is nothing saying that you have to deploy first, however, to intentionally make the other player wait because you intend to miss the deployment stage is not right. With all those games provided here, you managed to let all those players wait(even though you are actually there to deploy your troops), just so that you can have the first turn? Whether there is an advantage in this or not, the whole setup, from creating manual/freestyle games and deliberately missing the deployment stage is already wrong.
[game]1675072[/game] 2018-08-09 16:02:06 - Mageplunka69: its jamaica map and TFO that keep me on this site
since you opened up this can of worms ... how many more games would you like to have shown to prove that you yourself are using this tactic to your advantage ... i think that 20 + games documented would be considered constantly using this tactic to your advantage ... there were more games to view but i thought this was enough to prove my point
i checked all your games that contained the following settings :
City Mogul Manual Deployment 2 Player Standard Game Freestyle Escalating or Flat Rate Unlimited Reinforcements Sunny
you started this very early : [game]6949648[/game] . [game]6949649[/game] . [game]6949650[/game]
[game]8678937[/game] 2011-03-11 17:22:20 - Game has been initialized 2011-03-11 17:22:25 - jsnyder748 began deploying initial troops 2011-03-11 17:22:27 - jsnyder748 ended the turn 2011-03-12 17:22:20 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]8565542[/game] 2011-02-22 04:02:05 - Game has been initialized 2011-02-22 04:02:09 - Aca888 began deploying initial troops 2011-02-22 04:02:12 - Aca888 ended the turn 2011-02-23 04:02:05 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7022368[/game] 2010-05-22 21:25:14 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-22 21:25:20 - chaakal began deploying initial troops 2010-05-22 21:25:28 - chaakal ended the turn 2010-05-23 21:25:14 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]8468967[/game] 2011-02-07 12:01:37 - Game has been initialized 2011-02-07 12:02:14 - yannyy began deploying initial troops 2011-02-07 12:02:18 - yannyy ended the turn 2011-02-08 12:01:37 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009361[/game] 2010-05-20 14:56:58 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 14:57:12 - imaratbag began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 14:57:15 - imaratbag ended the turn 2010-05-21 14:56:58 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009359[/game] 2010-05-20 15:02:33 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 15:03:00 - gerding began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 15:03:13 - gerding ended the turn 2010-05-21 15:02:33 - obliterationX missed a turn [game]7009357[/game] 2010-05-22 10:58:24 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-22 10:58:31 - riskfan1 began deploying initial troops 2010-05-22 10:58:35 - riskfan1 ended the turn 2010-05-23 10:58:24 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009355[/game] 2010-05-21 06:43:57 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-21 06:44:59 - Narrabri began deploying initial troops 2010-05-21 06:45:19 - Narrabri ended the turn 2010-05-22 06:43:57 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009354[/game] 2010-05-21 03:11:12 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-21 03:11:24 - Amuk1960 began deploying initial troops 2010-05-21 03:11:27 - Amuk1960 ended the turn 2010-05-22 03:11:12 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009353[/game] 2010-05-20 23:22:19 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 23:22:35 - mike.clarke862 began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 23:22:40 - mike.clarke862 ended the turn 2010-05-21 23:22:19 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009352[/game] 2010-05-20 04:08:59 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 04:09:43 - DirtyVixion86 began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 04:09:49 - DirtyVixion86 ended the turn 2010-05-21 04:08:59 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]7009351[/game] 2010-05-20 02:57:57 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-20 02:58:17 - manzi began deploying initial troops 2010-05-20 02:58:28 - manzi ended the turn 2010-05-21 02:57:57 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6982465[/game] 2010-05-18 07:32:12 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-18 07:33:56 - Chinkydog began deploying initial troops 2010-05-18 07:34:01 - Chinkydog ended the turn 2010-05-19 07:32:12 - obliterationX missed a turn [game]6989308[/game] 2010-05-17 23:44:00 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-17 23:44:13 - hoffbo began deploying initial troops 2010-05-17 23:44:40 - hoffbo ended the turn 2010-05-18 23:44:00 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989306[/game] 2010-05-18 12:26:27 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-18 12:27:00 - wjfladland began deploying initial troops 2010-05-18 12:27:06 - wjfladland ended the turn 2010-05-19 12:26:27 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989305[/game] 2010-05-18 10:35:19 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-18 10:36:12 - Firkarg began deploying initial troops 2010-05-18 10:36:14 - Firkarg ended the turn 2010-05-19 10:35:19 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989304[/game] 2010-05-18 09:13:18 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-18 09:14:25 - angaralı began deploying initial troops 2010-05-18 09:14:31 - angaralı ended the turn 2010-05-19 09:13:18 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989303[/game] 2010-05-17 10:13:00 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-17 10:13:09 - burzghash began deploying initial troops 2010-05-17 10:13:27 - burzghash ended the turn 2010-05-18 10:13:00 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989302[/game] 2010-05-17 18:59:18 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-17 18:59:26 - kingvon began deploying initial troops 2010-05-17 18:59:46 - kingvon ended the turn 2010-05-18 18:59:18 - obliterationX missed a turn
[game]6989078[/game] 2010-05-16 02:30:12 - Game has been initialized 2010-05-16 02:30:16 - Photophil began deploying initial troops 2010-05-16 02:30:19 - Photophil ended the turn 2010-05-17 02:30:12 - obliterationX missed a turn
My question to the Cheat & Abuse Moderators Is This A Form Of Cheating To Gain An Advantage ???
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16:00:18 ‹Pixar› Valentines Day the one day in they year that the V and the D come together
