Post-Apocalyptic Mafia - Town Wins! [Archive]

[Commander9]

Vote Count:

TG (1) - naxus
Haggis (1) - streaker

[edocsil]

Anyone know all the results that Iliad and the JOATs got?

Safariguy was too busy working on "the cure" and bulletproof vests to do many investigations. I think he only did one, but I will have to go back and check. I was his mason so this is why I know.

This may be useful info. Was the cure some sort of endgame? Or does it imply that there are more nonhumans out there that could have been cured?

[Commander9]

Since this will not change anything, I will say that he actually wasn't working on the cure - he was just researching the background of the Apocalypse: what, how and when happened and what (who) was responsible. Cure would have been the next stage.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Since this will not change anything, I will say that he actually wasn't working on the cure - he was just researching the background of the Apocalypse: what, how and when happened and what (who) was responsible. Cure would have been the next stage.

So it was ultimately useless from a gameplay standpoint. hmmm...

[edocsil]

Since this will not change anything, I will say that he actually wasn't working on the cure - he was just researching the background of the Apocalypse: what, how and when happened and what (who) was responsible. Cure would have been the next stage.

So it was ultimately useless from a gameplay standpoint. hmmm...

Sounds like Phase 2 was useful. Phase 1, could have given you flavor stuff, like say alignment of the gigglers, or either of the churches.

[Commander9]

Sounds like Phase 2 was useful. Phase 1, could have given you flavor stuff, like say alignment of the gigglers, or either of the churches.

This. Phase #1 had a really nice story and twist in it, but game wise, it was worthless. Phase 2, on the other hand, would have done something significant.

[edocsil]

Sounds like Phase 2 was useful. Phase 1, could have given you flavor stuff, like say alignment of the gigglers, or either of the churches.

This. Phase #1 had a really nice story and twist in it, but game wise, it was worthless. Phase 2, on the other hand, would have done something significant.

Well la-ti-dah. Guess not.

[naxus]

Vote Tailz

Whatd you do last night tails?

sorry meant squirrel. Was thinking of Tails for my forum game, meant to type squirrel. I investigated squirrel and got back that he's reliable but I saw him doing strange rituals. Thats all I got, no alignment or other information. That makes me throw doubt on his claim as a Swat officer.

unvote tails(cause im an idiot) vote squirell

[Streaker]

Vote Tailz

Whatd you do last night tails?

sorry meant squirrel. Was thinking of Tails for my forum game, meant to type squirrel. I investigated squirrel and got back that he's reliable but I saw him doing strange rituals. Thats all I got, no alignment or other information. That makes me throw doubt on his claim as a Swat officer.

unvote tails(cause im an idiot) vote squirell

Are you skimming? Squirrell already claimed the kill on Vio last night. Safari confirmed his claim, and his death showed he wasn't lying...

[naxus]

Vote Tailz

Whatd you do last night tails?

sorry meant squirrel. Was thinking of Tails for my forum game, meant to type squirrel. I investigated squirrel and got back that he's reliable but I saw him doing strange rituals. Thats all I got, no alignment or other information. That makes me throw doubt on his claim as a Swat officer.

unvote tails(cause im an idiot) vote squirell

Are you skimming? Squirrell already claimed the kill on Vio last night. Safari confirmed his claim, and his death showed he wasn't lying...

I'm aware of that but I'm going off the information I got. I could be getting wrong or misleading investigations but what strange rituals would a SWAT officer do?
Also Safari could've been given misleading information regarding squirrel.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Tailz

Whatd you do last night tails?

sorry meant squirrel. Was thinking of Tails for my forum game, meant to type squirrel. I investigated squirrel and got back that he's reliable but I saw him doing strange rituals. Thats all I got, no alignment or other information. That makes me throw doubt on his claim as a Swat officer.

unvote tails(cause im an idiot) vote squirell

Are you skimming? Squirrell already claimed the kill on Vio last night. Safari confirmed his claim, and his death showed he wasn't lying...

I'm aware of that but I'm going off the information I got. I could be getting wrong or misleading investigations but what strange rituals would a SWAT officer do?
Also Safari could've been given misleading information regarding squirrel.

Tbh, I have absolutely no idea... I told you my action last night already.

My role pm says I have a troubled past (my family was killed) and that I am on a search for vengeance, but I'm not exactly sure how that translates into strange rituals. It also says I'm skilled in slaying all number of fiends. Maybe thats it? It just says I am a swat hitman, it doesn't necessarily say how I kill them.

I really wish I could give you a better answer here but honestly I have no idea why you would get that reply. Is it possible that maybe streaker's use of his ability on me yesterday did it? Or maybe there is some sort of ritual framer or something. Your guess is as good as mine.

[TheSaxlad]

yoyoyoz. i iz not insanez ja. I is Arnold Scwarzennger, ja, de president of da us, jaz.

I feelz az dou wez shouldz lynchz haggis. Aagez seems liked da bestz bet, but whenz hez is replacedz in all deese gamez the replacementz getz a restbitez. I thinkz we need to pressurez Haggisz

votezlolbitches Haggis

[Iliad]

Alright. I wanted to make this case last day, but it was far too close to the deadline to change the result, only to perhaps achieve a no lynch, and it only would have made me a target. Squirrel's night kill abilities only confirm this.

Streaker's claim does not hold up. It's far too circumstantial and convenient. Also, if he was enlightening people why on earth would that message be linked back to him, instead of being anonymous. Why would one of the enlightened players defend him vigorously, since if it was about enlightenment tthey had no more use for him. Fourthly this game is filled with offensive roles, rather than defensive. Fifthly look at all the flavour the blurbs about science versus religion which seems to imply rival cults rather than innoculations.

Streaker is at the head of the atheistic cult, and we know for sure that he has already recruited Squirrel. Notice their actions. Although they have been going for non-town roles they have been going for only other religious roles such as vio and now tailguner. An outed cultie isn't a threat by himself, since we can lynch or vig him at any point if we do believe that he is lying. The atheist cult however seems to be quite strong.

Let's look at the other non-town factions for now.
Mafia-led by stephen Hawking
Had a charmer and a guard, though not sure what either of those roles do exactly. A guard is probably some kind of doc or roleblocker, and a charmer probably roleblocks or redirects actions.
Not sure what connects the three of those characters at all. At least one more member- the godfather, left but there might be another.

Christian cult-
Cult leader killed night 2. A single christian is out there as implied by the night 2 scene, unlikely but possibly to be two.

Scientologist cult
Cult leader killed night 5. Up to 4 members out there, but that seems unlikely.

Atheist cult- seems quite probable but not confirmed like the others yet.

Abomination- doesn't seem to have recruiting powers, probably just an sk.

Werewolf-killed off early. Herk wasn't aware of his own condition. I was afraid he might have spread the disease earlier but that doesn't seem to have happened.

Naxus's investigation shows a few things. Firstly notice streaker's defense of him, confirming the fact that they are now on the same team. Secondly it shows that his information about us is likely to be false and we do lynch all liars.
So-do we lynch streaker the probable leader of the cult or squirrel, the cultie with night kill abilities?

[Commander9]

Vote Count:

Squirrel (1) - naxus
Haggis (1) - streaker
Haggis (1) - sax

[Haggis_McMutton]

Alright. I wanted to make this case last day, but it was far too close to the deadline to change the result, only to perhaps achieve a no lynch, and it only would have made me a target. Squirrel's night kill abilities only confirm this.

Streaker's claim does not hold up. It's far too circumstantial and convenient. Also, if he was enlightening people why on earth would that message be linked back to him, instead of being anonymous. Why would one of the enlightened players defend him vigorously, since if it was about enlightenment tthey had no more use for him. Fourthly this game is filled with offensive roles, rather than defensive. Fifthly look at all the flavour the blurbs about science versus religion which seems to imply rival cults rather than innoculations.

Streaker is at the head of the atheistic cult, and we know for sure that he has already recruited Squirrel. Notice their actions. Although they have been going for non-town roles they have been going for only other religious roles such as vio and now tailguner. An outed cultie isn't a threat by himself, since we can lynch or vig him at any point if we do believe that he is lying. The atheist cult however seems to be quite strong.

Let's look at the other non-town factions for now.
Mafia-led by stephen Hawking
Had a charmer and a guard, though not sure what either of those roles do exactly. A guard is probably some kind of doc or roleblocker, and a charmer probably roleblocks or redirects actions.
Not sure what connects the three of those characters at all. At least one more member- the godfather, left but there might be another.

Christian cult-
Cult leader killed night 2. A single christian is out there as implied by the night 2 scene, unlikely but possibly to be two.

Scientologist cult
Cult leader killed night 5. Up to 4 members out there, but that seems unlikely.

Atheist cult- seems quite probable but not confirmed like the others yet.

Abomination- doesn't seem to have recruiting powers, probably just an sk.

Werewolf-killed off early. Herk wasn't aware of his own condition. I was afraid he might have spread the disease earlier but that doesn't seem to have happened.

Naxus's investigation shows a few things. Firstly notice streaker's defense of him, confirming the fact that they are now on the same team. Secondly it shows that his information about us is likely to be false and we do lynch all liars.
So-do we lynch streaker the probable leader of the cult or squirrel, the cultie with night kill abilities?

Interesting. I like this theory, seems to account for a lot of the going ons.
Squirrel's weird defense of Streaker, Streaker's rather convenient claim, Squirrel killing the cult leader, Naxus's investigation, Streaker's aggressive defense of Squirrel and condemnation of the opposing cult member + the fact that Dawkins is the most obvious choice for the leader of an atheist cult.

Yes, I like this quite a bit.
Seems clear to me that we should go for Streaker. Recruitment is worse than NK AND killing what should be a VT by now is definitely better than killing a potential vig,

vote Streaker

[Streaker]

Right. Let's take a look at this from another point of view.

Iliad makes some interesting points, but they are not accurate. This is how I see it:

There is town, mafia, SK's, and several cults. Cults recruit from a large pool of 'non-believers'. I think that both town and mafia are recruitable, and I'm here to stop that from happening. Per role flavour, I am an Atheïst. My goal and power is to stop recruitment from happening. With several confirmed recruiters out there (albeit they dead by now), is it really that odd for a power like mine to be in this game? Per definition, atheïsm is NOT a religion. All the Christian factions, and Scientology are all religions.
I am playing my role when I'm in this game, going after the cults. My main target may not be mafia, but our winning goal is still eliminating ALL threats to town. Cults are a part of that, so I'll stick to my flavour.

Furthermore, I myself find it odd to be part of the scene. I have been 'enlightening' people all game long, and didn't miss a single action. Never was this part of the scene, until now. Why now? I have no clue...
Yes, my target of the night was Safari. The part where Squirell is in the scene does make sense, as they are masoned. As far as the ritual goes, we can only guess. He lost his mason, maybe it's part of the flavour when that happens.

Why did I defend Squirell at the beginning of the Day? Easy.

Vote Tailz

Whatd you do last night tails?

sorry meant squirrel. Was thinking of Tails for my forum game, meant to type squirrel. I investigated squirrel and got back that he's reliable but I saw him doing strange rituals. Thats all I got, no alignment or other information. That makes me throw doubt on his claim as a Swat officer.

unvote tails(cause im an idiot) vote squirell

Naxus has information about Squirell being reliable, yet votes him. Squirell also made a valid claim about having a night kill, as he proved this night. Also notice how he doesn't kill townies? Instead, he aimed for what he believes is a threat to town. Yet naxus votes him.
Why wouldn't I defend him? Naxus is going after a powerfull (albeit less powerfull with the loss of safari) role, and you guys just let it happen?
I can't believe Naxus actually votes him, it casts serious doubts on him.


FoS naxus


TG is also an interesting player. He admits to being third party. We have no way of knowing he is in fact the last of his cult. He SAYS he will play it like survivor, while in fact he IS third party. I also don't believe commander would let an entire cult die, when there is at least 1 more member in it. Or, in this case, have the cult be useless.


Also, my vote remains with Haggis.
Haggis replaces aage, but all in all doesn't do much up until now. The only thing he does is jump on Illiad's case, adding nothing substantial to it. I can even see a little OMGUS in it, because I voted him first. It's a good case by Iliad to hide behind though.

I hope this provides decent enough perspective, as Illiad's case is really good.

So here's my list of targets:

-Haggis (for going at an easy lynch, OMGUS'ing me while hiding behind Iliad's case)

-naxus (not so much for questioning Squirells claim, but rather his vote on him. I feel Squirell has proven his allegiance, and even comes up 'reliable'.)

-TG (admitted third party, but claims to play survivor. I feel he's playing a fast one on town)

[Streaker]

Oh, and add another FoS on Skoffin. This deep into the game, and laying low like crazy. Mafia? Maybe even godfather? **speculation**

[Haggis_McMutton]

My main target may not be mafia, but our winning goal is still eliminating ALL threats to town. Cults are a part of that, so I'll stick to my flavour.

Why would your main goal not be mafia? If you believe that the leaders of the only 2 cults have been killed, your main goal should actually be getting mafia. DO you have alternate win conditions that you're not sharing with the rest of the class?

Yes, my target of the night was Safari. The part where Squirell is in the scene does make sense, as they are masoned. As far as the ritual goes, we can only guess. He lost his mason, maybe it's part of the flavour when that happens.

So your theory is that naxus is a flavour cop, who can find out when a mason has lost his partner?
Doesn't seem extremely likely ...
If squirrel had had some kind of explanation, that would be one thing, but right now the most likely options seem to be:
1. Naxus's power is completely useless and misleading
2. Squirrel is hiding something

Why did I defend Squirell at the beginning of the Day? Easy.

Naxus has information about Squirell being reliable, yet votes him. Squirell also made a valid claim about having a night kill, as he proved this night. Also notice how he doesn't kill townies? Instead, he aimed for what he believes is a threat to town. Yet naxus votes him.
Why wouldn't I defend him? Naxus is going after a powerfull (albeit less powerfull with the loss of safari) role, and you guys just let it happen?
I can't believe Naxus actually votes him, it casts serious doubts on him.

Ah, so he goes against a cult. Let's see who would have interest to do that? Town ... check. Mafia ... check. Other cults ... check. Well, doesn't that prove a lot?

Second, townies don't go rabidly defending another townie that they think is usefull. Especially not when there's a single vote on that other townie.

Are you skimming? Squirrell already claimed the kill on Vio last night. Safari confirmed his claim, and his death showed he wasn't lying...

This isn't a townie defending another townie. Naxus presents info on the cult thing, yet you act like he acts against a person whom is 100% to be trusted.
How does Squirrel's kill, or any of safari's actions confirm that Squirrel hasn't been recruited exactly? OR where you just being so aggressive cause you don't want anyone suspecting your most valued cultie's reputation?

TG is also an interesting player. He admits to being third party. We have no way of knowing he is in fact the last of his cult. He SAYS he will play it like survivor, while in fact he IS third party. I also don't believe commander would let an entire cult die, when there is at least 1 more member in it. Or, in this case, have the cult be useless.

You do realize that a survivor ... is third party, right?
Also, what do you suggest happens when a cult leader dies? Recruit power is passed on? You do realize this would make a cult basically unstoppable and would be nigh impossible to balance with multiple cults.
SO you suggesting a different mechanic? Or just throwing smoke?

Also, my vote remains with Haggis.
Haggis replaces aage, but all in all doesn't do much up until now. The only thing he does is jump on Illiad's case, adding nothing substantial to it.

Ah, unlike the myriad of players who have done a whole lot till now. I think I might actually have the most posts today.

Also, what exactly did you do today? Oh right, get a hard-on for Tails, claim the scene proves he is lying, get called out on it (by me) and then ignore ignore ignore your previous actions. Very townie-like of you.

I can even see a little OMGUS in it, because I voted him first. It's a good case by Iliad to hide behind though.

I hope this provides decent enough perspective, as Illiad's case is really good.

Heh, you didn't vote for me, mate. You voted for aage. Actually till now I was getting the impression that you're trying to befriend me, guess not so much after I support the very valid case on you.

Also, I OMGUSED you, days after your vote, and coincidentally after a very good case was put on you? heh.

This post of yours convinces me more that Iliad is onto something. It's mostly smoke and misdirection.
Calling my vote OMGUS, is really rich as well, as is acting that you've been trying to get me lynched till now.
There's no way YOU can believe those things mentioned above, therefore you are only posting what yopu think you should post to get out of this, not what you really believe ...

Anyway, updated list of claims

Iliad - flavour cop, detects human/non-human
Squirrel - SWAT member, was masoned with safari, vig
Streaker - Dawkins, protection from recruiting
Tails - Scientologist
Sax - Arnold

Squirrel and Iliad, could you guys post a list of your investigation results?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

He SAYS he will play it like survivor, while in fact he IS third party. I also don't believe commander would let an entire cult die, when there is at least 1 more member in it. Or, in this case, have the cult be useless.

Silly, a survivor IS 3rd party. And the mod doesn't always get to control the outcome of whatever factions s/he puts in the game. Sometimes a cult recruiter gets NK'ed N1, and that's that. Sometimes that's just how the chips fall, and honestly that's one of the best things about mafia, because it creates opportunity for others. You can't expect a game to go perfectly.

Streaker at this point it's throwing accusations at anyone and everyone.

-Tails

fastposted: What the Haggis said.

[edocsil]

Alright getting the pair out on here Vote streaker. With Mr. S's occult links I am assuming cult recruit. this wouldn't be such a big deal, but apparently S still has his powers, and I don't want a killer who isn't aligned with me. There is always a chance he was busdriven (or perhaps framed) but the kills and night actions people have claimed are all hitting the intended targets so I am going to assume for now there is no busdriver. That being said, we were told he is reliable. So I am going with streaker, he defended Mr. S vigorously today so there is a distinct chance they may be linked roles. If Streaker flips cult I would suggest we look into Mr. S the next day. If Streaker is telling the truth he really should be a VT at this point with our cult leaders dead, so I am willing to risk hanging him.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I don't have much time to post right now, but I'll be back on tonight to try to answer everything that is going on. Nonetheless, I don't want to be lynched due to streaker...

[naxus]

Unvote vote streaker But squirrel still seems strange to me. Reliable yes but reliable to who's side is the question.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Ok... I spent the past two hours deliberating and I can really think of no way to talking my way out of this. Sorry streak. vote streaker

I will side with town. I'm in the same boat as TG. If you guys have any questions, ask away.

[edocsil]

Ok... I spent the past two hours deliberating and I can really think of no way to talking my way out of this. Sorry streak. vote streaker

I will side with town. I'm in the same boat as TG. If you guys have any questions, ask away.

I figured. What is your connection to streaker then. Do you know his real role?

[Mr. Squirrel]

Ok... I spent the past two hours deliberating and I can really think of no way to talking my way out of this. Sorry streak. vote streaker

I will side with town. I'm in the same boat as TG. If you guys have any questions, ask away.

I figured. What is your connection to streaker then. Do you know his real role?

I'm his cult recruit. I hate selling out streak like this, but I don't want to be dragged down as well when there is a chance I could still win and be useful through my town objective. He dug himself a hole and I can't pull him out without getting us both killed. I'm his only recruit. All of his other recruitments failed. Vio was one failure, which was part of the reason why I killed her.