POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[Fircoal]

Does not compute.

I've made cases against Mandy and, in a smaller scale, Strike.

That's not what I meant. I meant that you have yet to say anything about my case on Sax, and you attempted to justify it with "I've already spoken about other cases." That has nothing to do with my case. Tell me it's a shitty case, I don't care, but it seems weird that you would talk plenty about others and yet refuse to say anything about mine.

As the VC shown, it's on Mandy. Red part is showing my preferred lynches. And again, I've argued about Mandy and I'm not going to quote all of them.

Thank you. Now how is your vote any different than mine. You say I'm trying to split town's interest. Generally one would assume I would do this to protect a scumbuddy (who?). Now, you're voting mandy, 4 people are voting chu, 4 are voting Strike, so on and so forth. How does your vote differ from mine, in that it somehow isn't splitting the vote? Their is no difference between my vote and your vote, other than you're upset with Mandy.

Now on to Fircoal: dudebro, why the hate? I throw one little FOS at you and you ream me.

I must say I'm liking all the discussion so far...

I'm not really feeling the case of falko. He voted for some inactives, and is "skimming" (I missed this part). I would be more interested in hearing from Iliad, Mass Miracle, etc., than the case of falko.

I'm also curious as to why mandy voted for pcm. Was it for his defense of Commie?

-Tails

You like it yet you don’t further it? I mean everything you said is really simple and easy to say and you’re not really putting your neck out there or trying hard.

Funny how you missed my earlier case on Commie. And furthermore, I replaced and joined on like pg 16, so I haven't had a chance to post as much as everyone else. Considering as how you've been admittedly lurking I don't think you should have a problem with this. And generally whenever I write I keep things concise, I don't like unnecessary clutter in my writing.

Something.

No seriously I will post something tomorrow after class. Initially I'm in agreement w/ whoever pointed out that the extra information from falko was unnecessary. FOS Strike and Chu.

-Tails

Not posting much again, are ya? Btw nice easy people to fos, you must really be sticking your neck out there.

Please take this into context. That was like midnight-1 a.m., I had to be up for class at 6. And I DID post the very next day after class.

...my case on Sax...

Yes I know that Sax has been doing nothing this whole game but posting one liners that don’t contribute and just go with the flow. But please tell me Tails, what have you done that is different? Because the way I see it, you’ve been doing the same thing that Sax has, and yet you call it out to attention on your more useful post. I find this scummy of you. ;3

It's plenty different. As I've stated earlier, I had two cases: Commie and Sax, which again is also different because I replaced. I have NOT been BW'ing or lurking. I've been active, more so than you and Sax.

I agree with you. I merely pointed out that for a player who has done almost nothing, to suddenly BW on the latest suspect was scummy. In essence he's doing the same thing chu is doing.

-Tails

And what you’ve been doing too.

Please tell me where I've been BW.

Perhaps you'd defend him (even though logically he was kind of asking for it) because you know he'd turn up town so you could this?

Ironic.

-Tails

Unneeded

No because Commie and I have been having a conversation about just that. It all goes back to my original case on him where he rebutted with "I never thought of you as a retard..."

Well considering how I've got a case on Sax, no. How about you add your thoughts to that?

-Tails

In which all of the stuff you busted him for you were basically doing also. It’s nice of you to post back to that though. I know you don’t want to actually further the discussion so you’ll stick to your one, while valid, hypocritical lead that you pointed out.

First, I am not doing the same thing Sax is doing. Second, this is also taken out of context. I was having a discussion with Commie about how he accused me of not contributing when I had JUST laid out a case on Sax ONE page back. In essence, he was not contributing because he hasn't said anything about it.

You know Commie went down his list of suspicion only a couple of pages ago. I think this proves that you’re skimming. Nice try, the Sax case may be valid but it’s just screaming that you’re bringing it up to try to stop real discussion and not let anyone know that you don’t know anything about what’s been being talked about this whole game.

I'm not skimming. Also, how am I trying to stop discussion? From what? Your case? Are you saying I should've BW'ed you for inactivity, like the majority of your voters? Hm...

Something.

Minor point but does anyone think someone is trying to be a bit too clever here?

No

Well ffs EXCUSE ME for trying to introduce a little humor. I'm sorry that my joke fell flat and that you don't have a similar sense of humor. Goddamn bro.

-Tails

Tails me thinks you read my post the wrong way. First off at the humor I was not saying no to you but more rather the notion that Naggy put out that you would be scum because you made that joke. I thought the joke was fine. It was Nag, not you.

Honestly I was doing little notes about your posts not because they were bad in themselves but just because imo you've kinda said nothing in the game. Yes as I said your case on Sax is valid but I don't really think you've really talked about the other options as much. I'm not really saying that you should be bandwagonning me but rather that you should provide some input into things.

You do have me on the fact that you haven't been BWing but you and Sax both imo haven't really been posting the most relevant of stuffs. Please take none of this personally, I just find your behavior scummy. I think in a whole you haven't really focused on the more mainstream discussion and thusly you aren't really as in there. I mean from a scummy standpoint I'd say you're scummy than Sax but from a inactive standpoint you're better. Also you forget to mention Edoc who is also up there on the postalotofnothingathon.

[Fircoal]

Basically my premise of our argument is that while your work against Sax is good the lack of showing you have for the more talked about cases does factor into an idea of not contributing. Especially at this deadline. I mean the thing is Sax also isn't really the hardest case. Although I do have to say, if it does happen that Sax is our Day 1 lynch in the end it'd be a point in your favor.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Well like I said I joined late. I didn't really feel the falko wagon, and right now it's between you, Strike, and mandy, and to a lesser extent Sax if others consider it. I've already said I don't like your wagon for inactivity. idk what to make of Strike. Mandy is mandy. Some are saying "don't meta" and others say "do", but D1 that's what you have to go on. Maybe it's a crutch, I'll admit, but honestly this is my 3rd game with mandy and this is exactly how he was in the other two, so I see nothing wrong there. And tbh, I was in agreement with him for Commie. It would be very hypocritical of me to vote for mandy because of his "insane theory" on Commie because apparently I didn't think it was all that insane. If I was to switch votes now, it would go to Strike.

The way he stated that he had a strategy on how to play made me think he's either scum (in which I expect more of Strike and wouldn't believe he would admit to something like that), or he's a power role, in which case he fucked up anyway.

And really none of the cases I've seen so far have been all that compelling, and that's why I've presented the ones I have, to try and bring something bigger and better to the table. I've been active in plenty of discussion (see me and Commie), I've just narrowed it down to one person. I can't just ignore his comments: I had a point to make, and if I just let those slip by, then it was all for naught.

In 10 pages I've outposted Sax who has had 26 pages, and you can't say that he's spoken more about other cases than I have.

And I've got a few cliff notes on Edoc as well. He has been giving me some slightly scummy vibes, but honestly I can't really make two cases simultaneously, now can I? I went with the more pressing of the last two (Sax and Edoc). Else, hypothetically, there would be too many options and the votes would be split. I tried to narrow it down to the greater evil for others to consider.

-Tails

[TA1LGUNN3R]

And when I said "I like the discussion so far" it was because I was catching up, and this game has this many pages, none of which are poor. They're all quality pages. A lot of discussion of the type that I expect of mafia.

-Tails

[mandalorian2298]

Well, that was one long post. I like how Fircoal always puts in full quotes and how he mentions my defense of Falko again and again, always with a quote. And how he quotes all my other posts and comments how I don't mention Falko in this post. Maybe this flashing out of essays worked on your high school teacher, but it doesn't work on me.

unvote Vote Fircoal because:
1) since he obviously has time enough to write (according to him) 20 pages of drivel, that means that his previous submarining was not a consequence of his busy schedule, but a deliberate tactic,
2) His post is, long though it may be, is very poor with actual contributions to the game. Allow me a small quote to demonstrate

Anyway in conclusion of all this data I FOS: mandalorian2298, Iliad, nagerous, Commander9, TA1LGUNN3R, /, TheSaxlad, Victor Sullivan, Mass Miracle, VioIet, and strike wolf in order of scumminess. And the scummiest of all I Unvote, Vote: Edocsil

The dude FOSed 11 people and voted for the twelfth. THAT'S MORE THEN 50% OF ALL PLAYERS!!! He is basically saying: "I think that scum are some of the players in this game. " Truly, only Commander could award " " to such a brilliant post (he of the "Doc, protect this group of people!" fame).

3. Captain Teague has fake claim written all over his forehead.

4. We need a Day one lynch.

[Streaker]

Interesting book by Fircoal. It kinda reminds me about my oral exams at college. Just throw everything you got at them and cover everything you know. All without actually knowing what you are talking about. Or in this case, just throw a full page of text out there, knowing half of the players won't bother reading. It's a great smokescreen, but it holds little value.

The claim could also go either way. The mod stated he'd provide fake claims, and this has fake written all over it. I also only remember Teague from a single (maybe a few) scenes at Brethren Court, as holder of the Codex. Hardly a main, not even mid-stream, character.

Also, Fircoal comes up with this less then a single day from deadline. There is no time to find another lynch, so he basicly screwed us. Either we hang him, and find out if he's telling the truth or not, or we get stuck with a No-Lynch. It's not very pro-town coming up with that information right before deadline, as I'm sure Fircoal knows we won't find another lynch on time. In fact, this might be the best scumtell in the whole story.

I believe most information would come from his lynch, then. There just isn't any more time.

Unvote, Vote Fircoal

[pancakemix]

Interesting book by Fircoal. It kinda reminds me about my oral exams at college. Just throw everything you got at them and cover everything you know. All without actually knowing what you are talking about. Or in this case, just throw a full page of text out there, knowing half of the players won't bother reading. It's a great smokescreen, but it holds little value.

The claim could also go either way. The mod stated he'd provide fake claims, and this has fake written all over it. I also only remember Teague from a single (maybe a few) scenes at Brethren Court, as holder of the Codex. Hardly a main, not even mid-stream, character.

Also, Fircoal comes up with this less then a single day from deadline. There is no time to find another lynch, so he basicly screwed us. Either we hang him, and find out if he's telling the truth or not, or we get stuck with a No-Lynch. It's not very pro-town coming up with that information right before deadline, as I'm sure Fircoal knows we won't find another lynch on time. In fact, this might be the best scumtell in the whole story.

I believe most information would come from his lynch, then. There just isn't any more time.

Unvote, Vote Fircoal

I read it. Did you? It's actually got a lot of valid points, I think

You forget how large this game is. Maybe not in a smaller game (and I'll admit, I didn't recognize it at first. I've only seen the Pirate movies once), but with 21 players you have plenty of slots to fill. Not saying you're definitely wrong, but it's not really a good justification.

Quick, name every character who would be town before Teague.

I'm gonna say we screwed ourselves here. If we're going to blame anyone, it should be falko. And he made it perfectly clear that that post was for all the naysayers about his activity and lack of contribution.

Again, not completely wrong, but not the best logic. All of four people got to comment on this before you dropped the hammer. You know what's scummy? Preventing discussion.

[strike wolf]

Well like I said I joined late. I didn't really feel the falko wagon, and right now it's between you, Strike, and mandy, and to a lesser extent Sax if others consider it. I've already said I don't like your wagon for inactivity. idk what to make of Strike. Mandy is mandy. Some are saying "don't meta" and others say "do", but D1 that's what you have to go on. Maybe it's a crutch, I'll admit, but honestly this is my 3rd game with mandy and this is exactly how he was in the other two, so I see nothing wrong there. And tbh, I was in agreement with him for Commie. It would be very hypocritical of me to vote for mandy because of his "insane theory" on Commie because apparently I didn't think it was all that insane. If I was to switch votes now, it would go to Strike.

The way he stated that he had a strategy on how to play made me think he's either scum (in which I expect more of Strike and wouldn't believe he would admit to something like that), or he's a power role, in which case he fucked up anyway.

would it help if I told you all that I came up with how I wanted to act BEFORE I saw my role? I know I have said in one reply that my actions were based on how I figured the game would set up with many complicated win conditions and that was the basis for most of my actions in this game. I've detailed a basic but admittedly vague idea of what I wanted to do. I wanted discussion. My vote on Victor was evidence of that an early weak bandwagon to find out a bit of information and get discussion to start flowing in a hopefully productive manner (I admit this is ironic from the stand point that I admit I did get too tunnel visioned for a while). Above simple discussion I wanted to see how people reacted to certain acts in the game, squirrel misinterpreted this as saying I was talking about my own reactions not true. I did it with streaker, I did it on other cases and I did it when I mentioned 10 people in the same post associating them with scumminess when really I only considered maybe 5 of them to be legitimate leads. I will admit I did get overzealous on certain things and tunnel visioned a bit which I know hindered the game. Sorry.

Onto Fircoal's very long post. I think I want more than the name claim as it is a bit vague to story line (though a bit more significant than it's limited scene selection would imply) and I still don't like the intentional lurking up until this point but I'm tempted to agree with a lot of what you said. unvote for now (I'm hoping that's L-2 and not hammeer I think commander unvoted).

Edoc's actions are completely out of character. He is always one of the more thoughtful and intelligent mafia posters and for him to simply switch votes so easily without providing his own reasoning into the equation goes beyond laying low, it's simply scummy. He even provided a BS reason for voting commie when he said it was for his respect of mandy as anyone knows you can't just follow an unproven role in a game (especially one that have acted as suspiciously as mandy thus far) without at least putting your own thought process into why that person should be lynched. I even called out edoc on it to explain his own thought process in the matter and unless I missed a post which I don't think I did, he ignored it and moved onto the big bandwagon again providing no actually input. I'm also a bit embarrassed to admit that his laying low had completely gone unnoticed by me. Another fact that is completely out of character for him (I know you dislike metagaming pancake but...) just look at the matrix mafia, he's a survivor and he's still been aggressive and heavily involved in discussions, that's not the case here.

I believe you could be right about mandy. A lot of his actions are suspicious to me. Particularly note how he states repeatedly that he believed falko was town but offered no real point onto why he felt that way other than a vague reference to reading his posts. In other words, while stating he felt falko was town he made no real effort to defend him. This sounds like a smart scum move to me. Preach about someone you know is not aligned with you as being town so that when he is lynched or comes up with a widely believed role claim you can use that as your own defense when others question you.

I do believe you misunderstood iliad, I don't think he was arguing that you said anything about stopping the meta-gaming. I think he was saying that you used meta-gaming in an attempt to beat down certain cases.

And is it just me or is a lot of streaker's post a thinly veiled copy of what mandy's saying?

[strike wolf]

ebwop: never mind commander unvoted when Fir was at L-1 so that was the hammer.

[edocsil]

I have a lot of explaining to do tomorrow. I know my play is different from what I usually do, but it is for a reason. If this scene goes like I expect it to you will have a full explanation, if not you will have to wait a bit longer.

[Fircoal]

Well, that was one long post. I like how Fircoal always puts in full quotes and how he mentions my defense of Falko again and again, always with a quote. And how he quotes all my other posts and comments how I don't mention Falko in this post. Maybe this flashing out of essays worked on your high school teacher, but it doesn't work on me.

unvote Vote Fircoal because:
1) since he obviously has time enough to write (according to him) 20 pages of drivel, that means that his previous submarining was not a consequence of his busy schedule, but a deliberate tactic,
2) His post is, long though it may be, is very poor with actual contributions to the game. Allow me a small quote to demonstrate

Anyway in conclusion of all this data I FOS: mandalorian2298, Iliad, nagerous, Commander9, TA1LGUNN3R, /, TheSaxlad, Victor Sullivan, Mass Miracle, VioIet, and strike wolf in order of scumminess. And the scummiest of all I Unvote, Vote: Edocsil

The dude FOSed 11 people and voted for the twelfth. THAT'S MORE THEN 50% OF ALL PLAYERS!!! He is basically saying: "I think that scum are some of the players in this game. " Truly, only Commander could award " " to such a brilliant post (he of the "Doc, protect this group of people!" fame).

3. Captain Teague has fake claim written all over his forehead.

4. We need a Day one lynch.

Thank You. Honestly your quick backtrack from believing that I wasn't the best lynch (After you declared you'd be fine voting me) to voting me obviously shows that you're scared. Honestly my role isn't going to be worth much down the line.

Yes I FOSed more than half the game, cause I find more than half the players scummy. Much more scummy than I am myself. That doesn't mean that I think all of them are scum. And besides there's an order for a reason. I mean yea Victor, Mass, Sax and them are all suspicious scumariners but besides as a Day 1 Lynch (Which has already been declared to be me). It's players like you, Edoc, Illy, and Naggy that I really believe are scum. You're trying to over simplify it and make it look like there isn't a point to it. You're trying to manipulate the game. And that's why you hammered because you don't want me to point out any more of your manipulations.

It wasn't a debilarate tactic. Honestly I'm waiting for the day where everyone realizes that the amount of effort I put in often is ungame related and barely even related to a busy schedule. I don't really ever have a busy schedule, I go out of my way to have one. The problem is I'm pretty lazy and my contributions go more on impulse and feelings. Hence the many times when you see me not post for a bit and then suddenly do a bigger post (Although not as big as the one here). Metagame is useful for a reason. I think only in Buffy was I actually trying to scumarine to not attract attention to myself.

[Fircoal]

Interesting book by Fircoal. It kinda reminds me about my oral exams at college. Just throw everything you got at them and cover everything you know. All without actually knowing what you are talking about. Or in this case, just throw a full page of text out there, knowing half of the players won't bother reading. It's a great smokescreen, but it holds little value.

I don't know about you but I had full intentions for everyone to read it. You don't spend 2 and a half hours doing something for nothing. ;3 However I do think that you comment is telling at the least. I think you're following Mandy's tactic of accuse the people you're voting as doing what you're doing. I may have covered a lot of detail but that's my style, I don't stick to one person.

[Commander9]

Since it looks like Fir has been hammered and night is about to begin and I don't really have enough time to answer everything, this is message to the town:

Since I am likely not survive this night as scum will kill me, please listen what I'll post here. If after my death Mandy or Edoc will say that it wouldn't make sense for them to kill as it would be too obvious, don't buy that. Edoc killed Dazey in SF because she was stirring him up and then justified that it would make it too obvious and that a player as good as him wouldn't do it.

Tomorrow, pressure Mandy (careful about a fake claim) and afterwards (possibly next day), look into Edoc, Strike and possibly nag with Streaker. I have some other people that I find scummy, but these are the ones that I'd highly suggest as the best ones.

@ Protect Falko and Elizabeth (or make sure that they're covered)

[strike wolf]

I think I know who commander might be and it's important that he is protected by a secondary protective role.

[nagerous]

Ugh.. it's like you want to paint a target on your back or is just over-confidence that makes you think you're that great that you will be targetted at night?

[Fircoal]

Ugh.. it's like you want to paint a target on your back or is just over-confidence that makes you think you're that great that you will be targetted at night?

Think about it Naggy. Mandy easily just hammered me in a move that won't probably look good on him. Why? Because he wants me out of the game. I think he's going to also want Commander out of the game cause we've both brought attention to how Mandy is trying to manipulate the town.

[Commander9]

I think I know who commander might be and it's important that he is protected by a secondary protective role.

To be fair, my role isn't that important - I'd much rather have Elizabeth and Falco protected than me. My main contributions can come mainly from the discussions rather than the role I was given.

Ugh.. it's like you want to paint a target on your back or is just over-confidence that makes you think you're that great that you will be targetted at night?

Think about it Naggy. Mandy easily just hammered me in a move that won't probably look good on him. Why? Because he wants me out of the game. I think he's going to also want Commander out of the game cause we've both brought attention to how Mandy is trying to manipulate the town.

And I think he'll do it too, because he can probably get away with it. What does it have to do with what you called my "overconfidence"? There are better players out there, but I've been on Mandy's tail (and some others) for most of the day, so I'd say it's only logical that I'll be eliminated. I wanted to leave thoughts behind so at least we'd have a chance.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Mandy(1)- freezie
VioIet(1)- Mass Miracle
strike wolf(3)- Victor, pcm, Mr. S
Falkomagno(1)- Haggis
Fircoal(11)- nag, /, Vio, Sax, strike, iliad, falko, edocsil, nark, mandy, streaker
Saxlad(1)- tails
edocsil(1)- fircoal

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Fircoal has been lynched!

[safariguy5]

Scene

As the day started, many people decided to kick back and drink rum while chatting. However, as the rum began to run low, some of the players began to look around for someone to hang so they could make port and get more rum. Accusations flew over who had drank the most and was not participating. The noose had already been put over the head of Falkomagno when he shouted that he was William Turner, which gave everyone pause. Finally, they hauled a red eyed and sleepy looking Fircoal and demanded why he hadn't been around. He responded with a long speech, accusing half of the mob of being scum, and subsequently became very active. However eloquent his words were, the mob was not convinced and slightly insulted, so they pulled the lever on him anyways.

Officer: In order to affect a timely halt to deterioriating conditions, and to ensure the common good, a state of emergency is declared for these territories by decree of Lord Cutler Beckett, duly appointed representative of His Majesty, the King. By decree, according to martial law, the following statutes are temporarily amended: Right to assembly, suspended.

His last words were: The code is the law!



Fircoal, Captain Teague, (Town Paranoid Gun Owner) has been lynched!

It is now Night 1, 48 hours to send in night actions.

[ga7]

I'll replace if needed.

[strike wolf]

I'll replace if needed.

You're alive! Jk. Welcome back ga7

[safariguy5]

Scene

Captain Barbossa was on watch at night. The fog rolling in made sighting the horizon difficult, and he was intent on keeping a straight course. Too late did he realize a boarding party of soldiers had already made it on deck. He valiantly tried to hold them off, but the redcoats outnumbered him and took him down in the end.



AnarkistsDream, Captain Barbossa (Town JOAT) has been killed!

Meanwhile, Admiral Norrington was having tea in his Captain's Cabin. By the time he noticed an unusual dampness, there was already a pike buried in his ribcage.

A tentacled face peered at him and muttered, "James Norrington, do you fear death?"

The only response was a sword thrust into the shoulder blade of the man.

"I'll take that as a no."



Mr. Squirrel, Admiral Norrington (Mafia Watcher) has been killed!

It is now Day 2!

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

[Anarkistsdream]

I'm already F-ing DEAD!!!!????

I hate you guys.

[edocsil]

So. EITC bad guys pirates good guys. Fish face is out there with a kill, we don't know his alignment. Guessing SK/Other non Town as there were no other kills and I cant see the EITC being the only bad guys out there. Any news worth mentioning from the night?

[nagerous]

Interesting that mandy kept going on about a watcher than a mafia watcher turns out dead.

FOS Mandalorian