Facebook then YouTube

[rdsrds2120]

Facebook helped a revolution, and now YouTube has helped a Japanese mayor:
http://pheedo.msnbc.msn.com/click.phdo? ... f5fc89ddf4

The power of technology.

-rd

[radiojake]

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What a pity, I wanted to see how patronising the report was going to be regarding the Middle Eastern revolutions being due to the Western influences of facebook and twitter, which ofcourse, deligitimises the actual actors involved in inspiring revolt (the actual people living there).

Ah well, I can always just assume -

[Woodruff]

Facebook helped a revolution, and now YouTube has helped a Japanese mayor:
http://pheedo.msnbc.msn.com/click.phdo? ... f5fc89ddf4
The power of technology.
-rd

It doesn't count until someone names their kid "YouTube".

[Pirlo]

youtube is helping revolutions as well

[targetman377]

wait so does that mean letters back in the 1700s caused our revolution? oh and they telegram what war did that start. AND THERE is newspapers look how many wars it started. Funny the connection people make of things that start wars when in reality all it is are people who start wars. not technology, not newspapers. yes they help to spread information but just spreading information does not start wars. you have to choice on acting on it. so in short face book and youtube are doing nothing new other than spreading the newspaper so to speak.

[radiojake]

wait so does that mean letters back in the 1700s caused our revolution? oh and they telegram what war did that start. AND THERE is newspapers look how many wars it started. Funny the connection people make of things that start wars when in reality all it is are people who start wars. not technology, not newspapers. yes they help to spread information but just spreading information does not start wars. you have to choice on acting on it. so in short face book and youtube are doing nothing new other than spreading the newspaper so to speak.

I actually agree with targetman

[rdsrds2120]

wait so does that mean letters back in the 1700s caused our revolution? oh and they telegram what war did that start. AND THERE is newspapers look how many wars it started. Funny the connection people make of things that start wars when in reality all it is are people who start wars. not technology, not newspapers. yes they help to spread information but just spreading information does not start wars. you have to choice on acting on it. so in short face book and youtube are doing nothing new other than spreading the newspaper so to speak.

I don't think that anyone (hopefully) said that they actually cause the actions, but they're venues that lead to organization and the the spreading of ideas. It's not what they help, it's the fact they they can and do. I see these as some of the better examples of how information is spread over the media and how things like FaceBook and YouTube and other means should be appreciated. In the very least, upon hearing these stories, I gained a newfound respect for the advancement of technology in general.

-rd

[Woodruff]

wait so does that mean letters back in the 1700s caused our revolution? oh and they telegram what war did that start. AND THERE is newspapers look how many wars it started. Funny the connection people make of things that start wars when in reality all it is are people who start wars. not technology, not newspapers. yes they help to spread information but just spreading information does not start wars. you have to choice on acting on it. so in short face book and youtube are doing nothing new other than spreading the newspaper so to speak.

Spreading information absolutely can spark revolution. Why do you think dictators control the media so tightly? Ignorance is bliss, and we humans tend toward bliss...so the ability to spread the information about what the government is and is not doing absolutely can get the ball rolling and keep it rolling (as others hear of the revolutionary movement in action).

[Pirlo]

wait so does that mean letters back in the 1700s caused our revolution? oh and they telegram what war did that start. AND THERE is newspapers look how many wars it started. Funny the connection people make of things that start wars when in reality all it is are people who start wars. not technology, not newspapers. yes they help to spread information but just spreading information does not start wars. you have to choice on acting on it. so in short face book and youtube are doing nothing new other than spreading the newspaper so to speak.

I agree to some extent. but facebook was vital in egypt revolution. in a country like egypt pre-revolution, you couldn't organize such protest against the president. protesters met online where there is a freedom to speak and express opinion.

egypt revolution started with 5000 protesters. then it escalated. later, it reached 2 millions (estimation).

[targetman377]

wait so does that mean letters back in the 1700s caused our revolution? oh and they telegram what war did that start. AND THERE is newspapers look how many wars it started. Funny the connection people make of things that start wars when in reality all it is are people who start wars. not technology, not newspapers. yes they help to spread information but just spreading information does not start wars. you have to choice on acting on it. so in short face book and youtube are doing nothing new other than spreading the newspaper so to speak.

Spreading information absolutely can spark revolution. Why do you think dictators control the media so tightly? Ignorance is bliss, and we humans tend toward bliss...so the ability to spread the information about what the government is and is not doing absolutely can get the ball rolling and keep it rolling (as others hear of the revolutionary movement in action).

Site's like this do spread information. But just spreading information is not enough you need people to act on that information and that is up to the individual. Ignorance is a valid point but here in America there are many different groups such as the kkk, the nazi party, black panthers. All of these groups use technology to spread there words out via newspapers, radio, and internet are you worried about these groups starting a revolution? no why cause what they say make's no sense to you. All of the things that happened in Egypt could have happened with out facebook. did it make it easier? (now if you want to start a revolution prepare to be lazy! ) Yes of course they make communication easer but that is not the cause of people reevaluating the people must act if you do not act it will not work no matter how much facebook pushes it

[Pirlo]

wait so does that mean letters back in the 1700s caused our revolution? oh and they telegram what war did that start. AND THERE is newspapers look how many wars it started. Funny the connection people make of things that start wars when in reality all it is are people who start wars. not technology, not newspapers. yes they help to spread information but just spreading information does not start wars. you have to choice on acting on it. so in short face book and youtube are doing nothing new other than spreading the newspaper so to speak.

Spreading information absolutely can spark revolution. Why do you think dictators control the media so tightly? Ignorance is bliss, and we humans tend toward bliss...so the ability to spread the information about what the government is and is not doing absolutely can get the ball rolling and keep it rolling (as others hear of the revolutionary movement in action).

Site's like this do spread information. But just spreading information is not enough you need people to act on that information and that is up to the individual. Ignorance is a valid point but here in America there are many different groups such as the kkk, the nazi party, black panthers. All of these groups use technology to spread there words out via newspapers, radio, and internet are you worried about these groups starting a revolution? no why cause what they say make's no sense to you. All of the things that happened in Egypt could have happened with out facebook. did it make it easier? (now if you want to start a revolution prepare to be lazy! ) Yes of course they make communication easer but that is not the cause of people reevaluating the people must act if you do not act it will not work no matter how much facebook pushes it

targetman, I respect your viewpoint, but egypr is different from America. comparison is not valid at all. in egypt, pre-revolution, the previous government controlled everything except internet because internet technology developed too fast for such tard gov to control it.

if you have a gun, you can rule 1000 unarmed people. if someone revolted you can shoot him and the rest will just shut up. if 10 revolted you can shoot 2 or 3 the rest of 10 will back off. but if 300 revolted you can't control them. such number needs pre-arrangement in order to rise at one moment. this is why dictators prevent/control talks because they lead to arrangement which, in turn, leads to a revolution.

like this


faceboob was necessary for egyptians to arrange the protest away from oppression.

[targetman377]

I understand what you are say pirlo but to me there are always ways to communicate a revolution it just how much you want to work for it and how lazy you want to be. Many times in histroy media has been manipulated but groups use letters to communicate with other groups set up a resistance all without the help of facebook. all facebook is is a letter. if you claim facebook caused a revolution then you must be able to defend that wars are caused by letters, and newspapers. I will never say a revolution was cause by the interactions of the media this is a very dangerous statement you are making when in the course of human history people revolt for many reasons, experiences, laws, economy. it is not just cause of facebook. its just making rebels lazy instead of setting up there own communication network they use someone else.

[tkr4lf]

I understand what you are say pirlo but to me there are always ways to communicate a revolution it just how much you want to work for it and how lazy you want to be. Many times in histroy media has been manipulated but groups use letters to communicate with other groups set up a resistance all without the help of facebook. all facebook is is a letter. if you claim facebook caused a revolution then you must be able to defend that wars are caused by letters, and newspapers. I will never say a revolution was cause by the interactions of the media this is a very dangerous statement you are making when in the course of human history people revolt for many reasons, experiences, laws, economy. it is not just cause of facebook. its just making rebels lazy instead of setting up there own communication network they use someone else.

No one has said that Facebook caused this revolution, just that it spurred it forward. You're arguing against something that was never said.

Also, please use some capitalization and possibly some breaks in your post. It's hard to read what you type most of the time. You're from America. You should be able to type a coherent sentence.

wait so does that mean letters back in the 1700s caused our revolution? oh and they telegram what war did that start. AND THERE is newspapers look how many wars it started. Funny the connection people make of things that start wars when in reality all it is are people who start wars. not technology, not newspapers. yes they help to spread information but just spreading information does not start wars. you have to choice on acting on it. so in short face book and youtube are doing nothing new other than spreading the newspaper so to speak.

Spreading information absolutely can spark revolution. Why do you think dictators control the media so tightly? Ignorance is bliss, and we humans tend toward bliss...so the ability to spread the information about what the government is and is not doing absolutely can get the ball rolling and keep it rolling (as others hear of the revolutionary movement in action).

Site's like this do spread information. But just spreading information is not enough you need people to act on that information and that is up to the individual. Ignorance is a valid point but here in America there are many different groups such as the kkk, the nazi party, black panthers. All of these groups use technology to spread there words out via newspapers, radio, and internet are you worried about these groups starting a revolution? no why cause what they say make's no sense to you. All of the things that happened in Egypt could have happened with out facebook. did it make it easier? (now if you want to start a revolution prepare to be lazy! ) Yes of course they make communication easer but that is not the cause of people reevaluating the people must act if you do not act it will not work no matter how much facebook pushes it

targetman, I respect your viewpoint, but egypr is different from America. comparison is not valid at all. in egypt, pre-revolution, the previous government controlled everything except internet because internet technology developed too fast for such tard gov to control it.

if you have a gun, you can rule 1000 unarmed people. if someone revolted you can shoot him and the rest will just shut up. if 10 revolted you can shoot 2 or 3 the rest of 10 will back off. but if 300 revolted you can't control them. such number needs pre-arrangement in order to rise at one moment. this is why dictators prevent/control talks because they lead to arrangement which, in turn, leads to a revolution.

like this


faceboob was necessary for egyptians to arrange the protest away from oppression.

haha...faceboob.

[targetman377]

what i am saying is different why is everyone surprised by facebook helping a revolution? did anyone say any thing about newspapers? things that allow people to communicate with each other faster and fast help people plan actions that can go on at the same time but even with out facebook this is still possible.

[rdsrds2120]

what i am saying is different why is everyone surprised by facebook helping a revolution? did anyone say any thing about newspapers? things that allow people to communicate with each other faster and fast help people plan actions that can go on at the same time but even with out facebook this is still possible.

I think the reason why it gets brought up is because it's a first. Or, to say the least, the first time technology, more specifically the internet, has been majorly noted as a big aid. It introduces this new concept of potential for the internet, and shows just how valuable it can be on a large scale, which to my knowledge, hasn't been precedented.

Newspapers and TV's aren't fairly new at spreading this information, which might be why the internet, more specifically channels such as Facebook and YouTube, is getting more attention. Another reason might be that you can't interact and communicate in a 2-way manner with these things. With newspapers and TV's, information is sent to you, but it isn't sent BACK. The internet allows groups of people to discuss something in real time, instantly, even if they're a long ways away from each other. It's presented itself as a unique medium for the sharing of information that isn't quite comparable to the ones we've had in the past.

-rd

[Pirlo]

what i am saying is different why is everyone surprised by facebook helping a revolution? did anyone say any thing about newspapers? things that allow people to communicate with each other faster and fast help people plan actions that can go on at the same time but even with out facebook this is still possible.

well, in the mid-east, newspapers are controlled and overseen. editors-in-chief would get in trouble if they said the truth in most mid-east countries.

[targetman377]

what i am saying is different why is everyone surprised by facebook helping a revolution? did anyone say any thing about newspapers? things that allow people to communicate with each other faster and fast help people plan actions that can go on at the same time but even with out facebook this is still possible.

well, in the mid-east, newspapers are controlled and overseen. editors-in-chief would get in trouble if they said the truth in most mid-east countries.

than you can create your own no one has to know its you just print up a bunch and spread them around all facebook is doing is exactly what newspapers and letters have done for centries this is not somthing new since man has learned to talk we can corntanate with each other with speech, newspapers, facebook, phones this IS NOTHING NEW we do not have to act like OMG did you here what facebook book did. how about OMG DID YOU HERE WANT LANGUAGE DID FOR CIVILIZATION?

[rdsrds2120]

Did you just completely skip my post, targetman?

what i am saying is different why is everyone surprised by facebook helping a revolution? did anyone say any thing about newspapers? things that allow people to communicate with each other faster and fast help people plan actions that can go on at the same time but even with out facebook this is still possible.

I think the reason why it gets brought up is because it's a first. Or, to say the least, the first time technology, more specifically the internet, has been majorly noted as a big aid. It introduces this new concept of potential for the internet, and shows just how valuable it can be on a large scale, which to my knowledge, hasn't been precedented.

Newspapers and TV's aren't fairly new at spreading this information, which might be why the internet, more specifically channels such as Facebook and YouTube, is getting more attention. Another reason might be that you can't interact and communicate in a 2-way manner with these things. With newspapers and TV's, information is sent to you, but it isn't sent BACK. The internet allows groups of people to discuss something in real time, instantly, even if they're a long ways away from each other. It's presented itself as a unique medium for the sharing of information that isn't quite comparable to the ones we've had in the past.

-rd

I think that answers your actual concern of why we didn't treat TV, newspapers, and other mediums of information in quite the same way.

-rd

[Pirlo]

what i am saying is different why is everyone surprised by facebook helping a revolution? did anyone say any thing about newspapers? things that allow people to communicate with each other faster and fast help people plan actions that can go on at the same time but even with out facebook this is still possible.

well, in the mid-east, newspapers are controlled and overseen. editors-in-chief would get in trouble if they said the truth in most mid-east countries.

than you can create your own no one has to know its you just print up a bunch and spread them around all facebook is doing is exactly what newspapers and letters have done for centries this is not somthing new since man has learned to talk we can corntanate with each other with speech, newspapers, facebook, phones this IS NOTHING NEW we do not have to act like OMG did you here what facebook book did. how about OMG DID YOU HERE WANT LANGUAGE DID FOR CIVILIZATION?

I'm not sure if there is a way to create a newspaper without letting anybody know that you did. also, newspaper creation costs a lot of money, while facebook offers a communication way which costs 0.

[tkr4lf]

what i am saying is different why is everyone surprised by facebook helping a revolution? did anyone say any thing about newspapers? things that allow people to communicate with each other faster and fast help people plan actions that can go on at the same time but even with out facebook this is still possible.

well, in the mid-east, newspapers are controlled and overseen. editors-in-chief would get in trouble if they said the truth in most mid-east countries.

than you can create your own no one has to know its you just print up a bunch and spread them around all facebook is doing is exactly what newspapers and letters have done for centries this is not somthing new since man has learned to talk we can corntanate with each other with speech, newspapers, facebook, phones this IS NOTHING NEW we do not have to act like OMG did you here what facebook book did. how about OMG DID YOU HERE WANT LANGUAGE DID FOR CIVILIZATION?

Jesus fucking Christ man! Seriously!

That is one huge run-on sentence followed by one semi-sentence. YOU'RE FUCKING AMERICAN! YOU SPEAK ENGLISH!

Please type coherently. It is difficult as hell to follow what you say. I'm about to the point of foeing you just so I don't have to see your gibberish anymore.

All it takes is a little bit of capitalization and some periods where they belong. Maybe a break or two. It's not hard, guy.

[DJPatrick]

I think what you aRE MISSING targetman is that the technology is being used so effectively here and now...I agree that other media could do a similar job (but without the instant fedback) in other eras but the people using those older techs weren't facing the obstacles that exist today...as an ahem "older" person who grew up in a first world country before the intro of even B&W television I knew the value of the priinted word and was a journalist too long ago to relate but I grew apprehensive as the internet and other advances reinforced state control. I see recent events as humankind not being left behind by techno advances but adapting them for the pre-existing need for self expression and freedom.n I don't see anyone as saying Facebook/Youtube orchestrated the uprising but they DID facilitate people's own desires.
(and sorry in advance for lack of commas, etc; been a long time since I wrote with a bi-line on a manual typewriter.

[targetman377]

So let me get this straight. All you guys are saying is that these mediums allow for instant communication. And all other forms allow are not instant. So the pace of life has become faster. That is all there is no change between newspaper, or telegram. or the invention of language other then the fact that it is instant. and this makes the pace faster!!!!! NOTHING NEW HAS HAPPENED HERE THE PASSE of life has just become faster. This is not because of face book this is simple fact of technology. technology improves the way our life runs makes things faster so we have more data and can manage more cause more information is given to us faster. Just the same way the printing press did for language.

[Pirlo]

So let me get this straight. All you guys are saying is that these mediums allow for instant communication. And all other forms allow are not instant. So the pace of life has become faster. That is all there is no change between newspaper, or telegram. or the invention of language other then the fact that it is instant. and this makes the pace faster!!!!! NOTHING NEW HAS HAPPENED HERE THE PASSE of life has just become faster. This is not because of face book this is simple fact of technology. technology improves the way our life runs makes things faster so we have more data and can manage more cause more information is given to us faster. Just the same way the printing press did for language.

not only faster. you are still failing to get my point about third world dilemma.

in countries like Syria and Egypt (during Mubarakola regime), any cop has/had the right to arrest/ violently abuse you under the Emergency Code. in a country like Syria/Iraq, you are not allowed to walk in the street with +2 people after midnight.

FYI, in the said countries, you have no idea who may report you if you even discussed politics. look, I'm not even saying if you insulted the dictator; I'm saying if you just discussed politics.

on facebook, you can talk to guy who doesn't know you, so you can have a space to express a little "banned thoughts" because he ain't gonna report you since he doesn't know who you are.

[targetman377]

So let me get this straight. All you guys are saying is that these mediums allow for instant communication. And all other forms allow are not instant. So the pace of life has become faster. That is all there is no change between newspaper, or telegram. or the invention of language other then the fact that it is instant. and this makes the pace faster!!!!! NOTHING NEW HAS HAPPENED HERE THE PASSE of life has just become faster. This is not because of face book this is simple fact of technology. technology improves the way our life runs makes things faster so we have more data and can manage more cause more information is given to us faster. Just the same way the printing press did for language.

not only faster. you are still failing to get my point about third world dilemma.

in countries like Syria and Egypt (during Mubarakola regime), any cop has/had the right to arrest/ violently abuse you under the Emergency Code. in a country like Syria/Iraq, you are not allowed to walk in the street with +2 people after midnight.

FYI, in the said countries, you have no idea who may report you if you even discussed politics. look, I'm not even saying if you insulted the dictator; I'm saying if you just discussed politics.

on facebook, you can talk to guy who doesn't know you, so you can have a space to express a little "banned thoughts" because he ain't gonna report you since he doesn't know who you are.

WRONG you could always do this here are a few examples of what political situations you described that lead to rebellions in history with out the help of facebook.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
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Both had similar political rights as are present in middle east and.

[Pirlo]

So let me get this straight. All you guys are saying is that these mediums allow for instant communication. And all other forms allow are not instant. So the pace of life has become faster. That is all there is no change between newspaper, or telegram. or the invention of language other then the fact that it is instant. and this makes the pace faster!!!!! NOTHING NEW HAS HAPPENED HERE THE PASSE of life has just become faster. This is not because of face book this is simple fact of technology. technology improves the way our life runs makes things faster so we have more data and can manage more cause more information is given to us faster. Just the same way the printing press did for language.

not only faster. you are still failing to get my point about third world dilemma.

in countries like Syria and Egypt (during Mubarakola regime), any cop has/had the right to arrest/ violently abuse you under the Emergency Code. in a country like Syria/Iraq, you are not allowed to walk in the street with +2 people after midnight.

FYI, in the said countries, you have no idea who may report you if you even discussed politics. look, I'm not even saying if you insulted the dictator; I'm saying if you just discussed politics.

on facebook, you can talk to guy who doesn't know you, so you can have a space to express a little "banned thoughts" because he ain't gonna report you since he doesn't know who you are.

WRONG you could always do this here are a few examples of what political situations you described that lead to rebellions in history with out the help of facebook.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
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Both had similar political rights as are present in middle east and.

the first link is talking about a different revolution which is invalid here because it's about people who revolted on colonization (international stuff).

the 2nd link deals with an interesting revolution which took place in France in the 18th century. but look, in that time, the government/authorities were amateur and it was one of the first revolutions of that kind. however, governments/authorities are aware now and can oppress any revolution once it starts to rise.

look at this example when a revolution is gonna start and see what happened in syria 30 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre

but notice that this massacre was not committed because a revolution was gonna start. it was committed because an opposition party was gonna start.

get a clue about the fucked up people mate. you can't just sit in you comfortable house at the other part of the world and tell me that a revolution can easily start. or do you still believe that USA came here to free Iraq. if there was oil in syria, USA would have started a war ages ago under the name of freedom.