Pokemon Endgame: Mafia Victory + jonty

[DoomYoshi]

Hank44Socc3r has not been online for ten days. Looking for replacement.

[shieldgenerator7]

In that case Unvote. maybe we should pursue someone else?

[Mr. Squirrel]

In that case Unvote. maybe we should pursue someone else?

I bet you would like that.

Regardless, I think there is enough evidence to convict hank even if he isn't here. It would definitely make it easier on the mod.

[evilchaos]

In that case Unvote. maybe we should pursue someone else?

I bet you would like that.

Regardless, I think there is enough evidence to convict hank even if he isn't here. It would definitely make it easier on the mod.

Agreed on both points. There IS enough evidence to lynch him, and it will help move the game forward. It will be hard for the mod to find a replacement with so many games going.

There's no reason to back off someone just because they aren't here.

[shieldgenerator7]

My reasoning was that if Yoshi doesn't find a replacement for Hank, then Hank will possibly be mod-killed, and thus we would waste our votes, and then we should try and pressure someone else. That's why I unvoted, so we could look into someone else while we waited to see the results of Hank's absence.

[Rodion]

I'm against lynching Hank before he gets replaced. At least give him a chance to claim and tell about his N1 actions, if any.

If he ends up flipping town, maybe we got something we can use.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'm against lynching Hank before he gets replaced. At least give him a chance to claim and tell about his N1 actions, if any.

If he ends up flipping town, maybe we got something we can use.

That's the problem with replacements though. They can't really defend the actions of the person they are replacing. I've seen it happen countless times where a person replaces only to get lynched because he has no idea what his predecessor was thinking when he posted.

[Rodion]

I'm against lynching Hank before he gets replaced. At least give him a chance to claim and tell about his N1 actions, if any.

If he ends up flipping town, maybe we got something we can use.

That's the problem with replacements though. They can't really defend the actions of the person they are replacing. I've seen it happen countless times where a person replaces only to get lynched because he has no idea what his predecessor was thinking when he posted.

Sucks for the replacement, but at least we give him a chance to aid the town with his knowledge. After flipping we know if we can use that knowledge or if he lied. Don't see how the town loses by waiting.

There could be a rule saying that you don't get poor W/L/T statistics when you replace someone currently being BWed or so, since it's not really your fault.

[naxus]

I'm against lynching Hank before he gets replaced. At least give him a chance to claim and tell about his N1 actions, if any.

If he ends up flipping town, maybe we got something we can use.

That's the problem with replacements though. They can't really defend the actions of the person they are replacing. I've seen it happen countless times where a person replaces only to get lynched because he has no idea what his predecessor was thinking when he posted.

I remember the Tarintino Mafia where I replaced Mandy. That was a nightmare to explain...

[freezie]

Well, if hank doesn't show up and a replacement is slightly hard to find, the mod won't modkill him. He's at near lynch and would be worthless to do anything. Yoshi will let us kill him..

Unvote

Since victor clearly is playing hide and seek with me, but my eyes on you sir.

Vote: hank

[nagerous]

I'm against lynching Hank before he gets replaced. At least give him a chance to claim and tell about his N1 actions, if any.

If he ends up flipping town, maybe we got something we can use.

That's the problem with replacements though. They can't really defend the actions of the person they are replacing. I've seen it happen countless times where a person replaces only to get lynched because he has no idea what his predecessor was thinking when he posted.

He can at least claim though before we just hang him out to dry.

[DoomYoshi]

Announcement: lalaland has replaced Hank. Big thanks to lalaland for joining in this awkward time.

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - Mr. Squirrel
lalaland (5) - Victor Sullivan, Rodion, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

[lalaland]

ummm confirm:
I haven't yet read the thread, but I'm working on it! Don't lynch me before we get to sort this thing out!

[shieldgenerator7]

Lalaland? Nice! Great to have you here!
Just to warn you your predecessor Hank dug a big pit for you and we'll all going to Vote Lalaland until you can come up with a reasonable defense. Good luck!

[Mr. Squirrel]

Announcement: lalaland has replaced Hank. Big thanks to lalaland for joining in this awkward time.

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - Mr. Squirrel
lalaland (5) - Victor Sullivan, Rodion, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

My vote was on hank, not Shield:

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

[DoomYoshi]

Announcement: lalaland has replaced Hank. Big thanks to lalaland for joining in this awkward time.

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - Mr. Squirrel
lalaland (5) - Victor Sullivan, Rodion, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

My vote was on hank, not Shield:

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

Corrected. New Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - Mr. Squirrel
lalaland (6) - shieldgenerator7, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos L-4
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

[Mr. Squirrel]

Announcement: lalaland has replaced Hank. Big thanks to lalaland for joining in this awkward time.

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - Mr. Squirrel
lalaland (5) - Victor Sullivan, Rodion, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

My vote was on hank, not Shield:

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

Corrected. New Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - Mr. Squirrel
lalaland (6) - shieldgenerator7, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos L-4
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

It's still wrong, but oh well. I don't mind placing a vote on shield until lalaland gets back to us. He's been scummy too.

[DoomYoshi]

Announcement: lalaland has replaced Hank. Big thanks to lalaland for joining in this awkward time.

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - Mr. Squirrel
lalaland (5) - Victor Sullivan, Rodion, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

My vote was on hank, not Shield:

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

Corrected. New Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - Mr. Squirrel
lalaland (6) - shieldgenerator7, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos L-4
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

It's still wrong, but oh well. I don't mind placing a vote on shield until lalaland gets back to us. He's been scummy too.

Vote Count:

lalaland (7) - shieldgenerator7, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, Mr. Squirrel, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

[lalaland]

Sooooo lots and lots of things, but I finally finished reading.

The case for "hank" (which is now the case for me, I suppose), seems based on a couple n00by posts and his absence that left him unable to defend himself.
I have no idea what his whole "mafia alliance" thing was about, and I'm going to chalk it up to n00bishness and too much reality TV.
Same goes for his questioning of the double voter, just n00by questions that he was too numb to know could be harmful.
His posts don't make much sense to me, even/especially after knowing his role and how the setup of this game likely is.

In any case, there were a few things that I did notice throughout the thread.

Generally, I agree with nag's post about Freezie:

This makes me suspicious of Freezie and his spearow miller claim. I think this is a scum tactic. Most pokemon seem to either be wild survivors or perhaps tied to a trainer, pro-town ones or scum. The game framework which we're learning more and more about seems to contradict his claim.

and while I don't think that there's really cause to go after Freezie at the moment, I feel like Freezie is experienced enough to do the whole WIMFOM and play that off well. So FOS Freezie, just because I also think it's weird that a miller knows he's a miller as in my experience that isn't usually the case.

Also, I noticed this:

Professor Oaks infection was getting worse and worse. He probably (definitely) would have died tonight, but then he decided to mess with his records. Now, according to the Pokedex Charizards and Meowths are always wild.

Professor Oak, Town Cop Human has been modkilled.

So, I admittedly have limited pokemon experience and don't know what a Pokedex is, but it seems as though Professors could only tame a few varieties of pokemon, and now that Oak is gone Charizards and Meowths can't become part of factions? "Are always wild".

THIS could mean that our two "claimed" pokemon, Victor and AoG, who claimed Charizard and Meowth respectively, can no longer be tamed and made a part of a faction.

In that case, it would mean that neither of those individuals will ever be able to help the town's case, and so seem fair game for a lynch. I understand all the anxiety about AoG being a jester and waiting for tonight in the hope that he's nightkilled, so that means that i'm going to Vote Victor.

[freezie]

Unvote

Good to have you around, lalaland

Now on to your post:

Generally, I agree with nag's post about Freezie:

This makes me suspicious of Freezie and his spearow miller claim. I think this is a scum tactic. Most pokemon seem to either be wild survivors or perhaps tied to a trainer, pro-town ones or scum. The game framework which we're learning more and more about seems to contradict his claim.

and while I don't think that there's really cause to go after Freezie at the moment, I feel like Freezie is experienced enough to do the whole WIMFOM and play that off well. So FOS Freezie, just because I also think it's weird that a miller knows he's a miller as in my experience that isn't usually the case.

As I explained back early on day 1, I also am surprised that I know I am a miller. In my experience, millers don't know they are miller. When I opened my role pm and saw I was a town miller pokemon, I was a little surprised and came to conclusion it was in the town's best interest to know that early. If the cop would ahve investigated me, and I was left to claim miller...Yea, not good. I would have had to lie as a townie and that's generally not a good idea XD

Also, I noticed this:

Professor Oaks infection was getting worse and worse. He probably (definitely) would have died tonight, but then he decided to mess with his records. Now, according to the Pokedex Charizards and Meowths are always wild.

Professor Oak, Town Cop Human has been modkilled.

So, I admittedly have limited pokemon experience and don't know what a Pokedex is, but it seems as though Professors could only tame a few varieties of pokemon, and now that Oak is gone Charizards and Meowths can't become part of factions? "Are always wild".

THIS could mean that our two "claimed" pokemon, Victor and AoG, who claimed Charizard and Meowth respectively, can no longer be tamed and made a part of a faction.

In that case, it would mean that neither of those individuals will ever be able to help the town's case, and so seem fair game for a lynch. I understand all the anxiety about AoG being a jester and waiting for tonight in the hope that he's nightkilled, so that means that i'm going to Vote Victor.

I know a lot about wild pokemon, and to let you know Proffesor oak wasn't ''catching'' any pokemons at all. He kept pokemons for other trainers. A pokedex is basicly a pokemon encyclopedia. The fact it says '' moewth and charizards are always wild'' leads me to beleive that these pokemon are only found in nature......To be catched.

But on that, I could be wrong. Still, I don't like the idea of our wild pokemons claiming *cough*victor*cough* simply because it lets the evil trainers recruit them.

Hence why I will go back to my former vote and vote: Victor

[freezie]

Unvote

I know a lot about wild pokemon,

EBWOP: I didn't mean to say wild pokemon..Just wanted to say I knew a fair deal about pokemon in general. Brain fart here..

[nagerous]

There is no case against Victor. He claimed a wild survivor Charizard. He can just be recruited by the good guys as the bad guys. Lynching a survivor is a completely wasted day. My vote remains on lalaland for the transgressions made by hank. Freezie who I also don't trust has been trying to push the lynch away from lala/hank for a little while, would I be wrong to assume a potential link there. I suggested lala that she should claim, hank's mistakes were too big for me just to ignore and allow him to be replaced and I noticed that has been conveniently ignored. Something to hide?

[lalaland]

There is no case against Victor. He claimed a wild survivor Charizard. He can just be recruited by the good guys as the bad guys. Lynching a survivor is a completely wasted day. My vote remains on lalaland for the transgressions made by hank. Freezie who I also don't trust has been trying to push the lynch away from lala/hank for a little while, would I be wrong to assume a potential link there. I suggested lala that she should claim, hank's mistakes were too big for me just to ignore and allow him to be replaced and I noticed that has been conveniently ignored. Something to hide?

1) Depending on the interpretation of the modkill scene, it's possible that Victor cannot be recruited and so would be a neutral choice for us to lynch today
2) Hank made a total of something like 3 posts, so I'm not sure what you mean by his mistakes being "too big to ignore", and don't quite understand the gravity of his "transgressions" - they look mostly like n00bspeak to me. Like I said, I don't know his motivations for his 3ish rather ridiculous posts, and it seems to me that the case was made in large part out of the fact that he wasn't showing up to defend himself/add anything.
3) At this point, I don't think a claim is necessary, although if it does become necessary (L-2 or such) then I will. However, I think the case against hank/me is weak at best
4) If Freezie knows something about me that makes a link between the two of us, I have no knowledge of it.

[freezie]

4) If Freezie knows something about me that makes a link between the two of us, I have no knowledge of it.

I know nothing about you.


I have not ''pushed'' anyone away from hank's wagon, hecked I even said it was right and I voted him.

I however said that hank's mistake seemed more noob mistakes over role mistakes. With Lala in lead of the role, I have even less reasons to vote her.

So stop trying to twist my words Nag, I expressed my oppinions..

[lalaland]

why did everybody disappear for a day??