Pokemon Endgame: Mafia Victory + jonty

[evilchaos]

Why would we lynch Shield (who hasn't seemed all that scummy) to discover if lala (who has appeared scummy) is scum? Why not the other way around?

Unless we can develop more of a case against Shield, I'm hesitant to vote for him. I'll try to re-read the thread to find any scumtells either tonight or tomorrow.

[shieldgenerator7]

The case against me is completely WIFOM. There's no proof I'm Hank's scum buddy.

Yes, I did flip sides on the Hank case from D1 to D2, but remember, we are a little more informed on D2 and the information we now have has led be to believe that Hank's comment is scummy. I've already said the rest that I had on him and Lala, so I'll leave it at that.

If we have enough time in this day we might be able to pursue other leads but I'm all a-go for lynching lala.

But good try, freezie, maybe the next case you bring up will prove more fruitful.

[lalaland]

Question: Is there more to the case against Hank than his "mafia alliance" comment?

[evilchaos]

He also expressed the desire to find a double voter (probably a noob comment) and lurked like crazy (obviously due to general activity because he eventually replaced out after 10 days of complete inactivity).

Unvote

Come to think of it, this bandwagon seems retarded.

[freezie]

The case against me is completely WIFOM. There's no proof I'm Hank's scum buddy.Yes, I did flip sides on the Hank case from D1 to D2, but remember, we are a little more informed on D2 and the information we now have has led be to believe that Hank's comment is scummy. I've already said the rest that I had on him and Lala, so I'll leave it at that.

If

Do you have proof of ANYTHING in mafia? doubt it. Am following possible leads


Can you post the exact information we got that led you to change your mind against hank?

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - freezie
Victor Sullivan (1) - lalaland
lalaland (6) - shieldgenerator7, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, Mr. Squirrel, nagerous, evilchaos
shaggydan (1) - Streaker
kratos644 (1) - ???

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - freezie
Victor Sullivan (1) - lalaland
lalaland (5) - shieldgenerator7, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, Mr. Squirrel, nagerous,
shaggydan (1) - Streaker
kratos644 (1) - ???

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

[ShaggyDan]

Activity booster! My notepad file with running thoughts on people. Do with it what you will, more current post at the bottom.

Fircoal: Upset about the revealing of poisoner. Most likely annoyance just from opinions out of the game. Very slight chance upset because he is the poisoner.

Streaker: Votes me and then disappears. Possibly a way to divert attention off his scumbuddy (AoG). Though his vote on me was reasonable and fair, but he hasn't responded to my defence.

Victor Sullivan: Top of page 16, possible scum-link between him and Lala. Though I may just be reading in too much here. Claimed Charizard at start of D2. Wants to be recruited. Scene with Oak confirmed presence of Charizards, so it looks like the claim is legit.

Army of God: If he doesn't get lynched he should be vig-killed. Threw around FoS with no reasoning, worst case scenario we hit confusion spreading town, best case we hit malicious or fool.

kratos644: Actively scumhunting throughout D1. Getting a town-read.

Mr. Squirrel: Second to back up Aog being fool supiscion.

Haggis McMutton: First brings up the point about possible AoG being fool.

nagerous: Defended Fissk, don't think he would have if he was scum.

freezie: Claimed Spearow - Miller. On page 13 talked about the possibility of other human roles being in the game. Further claimed to be a town-alligned miller pokemon. From what I can see of the setup I don't think this fits.

evilchaos: The recipient of immediate voting pressure from Fissk who turned out to be a lyncher. I would assume he was the lynchers target, and I would predict Geodude (fits with Onyx as lyncher). Not sure about allignment, but it's worth noting.

ShieldGenerator: Suspicious for reasons I said earlier. Still need to do a re-read to see if I can build a proper case there.


Honestly, I still think AoG is the best target to be killed. The problem is that with potential bus-drivers out there he could be switched around. Claims Pikachu, then Meowth, claims cop, then third-party. Me-thinks he's team rocket alligned Meowth with a given fake-claim of Pikachu. In any case, I don't think he's town related.

Plus if he flips scum we get the bonus of looking at those who claimed he was fool, could be some possible leads.

In the case of a jester/fool are they just end-gamed or does the game end? If they're just end-gamed I'd be more comfortable voting AoG, if it ends the game I'm not sure what to do. Any scum-alligned busdrivers would just swap him out.

Other than that I'll happily vote freezie to test the miller claim.

That and Streaker for voting me and then disappearing with no follow up.

So to sumarise; people I would be happy to vote for at this time:

1. Army of God
2. Freezie
3. Streaker

FoS on Shield (more on this coming in a later post). Small FoS on Haggis depending on what AoG flips.

[ShaggyDan]

Addition:

AoG could be part of Team Rocket looking to capture Pikachu, hence why he claimed Pikachu to get the real pikachu to claim?

Also the death scene of oak looks pretty important at the moment:

Professor Oaks infection was getting worse and worse. He probably (definitely) would have died tonight, but then he decided to mess with his records. Now, according to the Pokedex Charizards and Meowths are always wild.

We have a claimed Charizard and a claimed Meowth. So trying to come to a consensus on what this means is pretty important. Does this mean that the only instances he found of these pokemon were wild? Meaning AoG and Victor are wild at the moment. Does this mean they remain wild through the whole game and can't be caught?

If they can't be caught I'm hesitant to trust them because we don't know any pokemons win-cons for sure.

Thoughts people?

[lalaland]

Shaggy, a bunch of pages back we were discussing the whole "are Victor and AoG permanently wild and therefore no longer an asset to the town" issue, basically decided that we might as well let them stay, and got distracted about other things.

[ShaggyDan]

Ah, sorry I must have missed it somehow :S. I did a re-read of day 1 and 2 and must have missed a few pages in the thirties. My bad.

Either way though, still an issue that we can't forget about.

[evilchaos]

Ah, sorry I must have missed it somehow :S. I did a re-read of day 1 and 2 and must have missed a few pages in the thirties. My bad.

Either way though, still an issue that we can't forget about.

Clear skimming is clear, although it is semi-reasonable given that he had to catch up on dozens of pages of posts that occured while he was away.

[Rodion]

Even if you don't have leads, you guys should post and give thoughts on the leads we've already put in the thread.

What leads do we have though? There is no case against nag. That was stupid. As for jonty I dunno. That's probably the only case I'd really feel like we might look into.

Jonty is dead (and he was town). Skimming much?

Also, FOS Freezie for ignoring my question.

Dan, no thoughts on me?

[Mr. Squirrel]

What should I do to stimulate activity? Massive prodlist?

Just set tighter deadlines (e.g. move this deadline to thurs or friday) and prod people who haven't posted in at least 5 RL days. From now on, I wouldn't have any of your 'days' last longer than two weeks. Thats plenty of time, no matter how large your game is.

For me, I'm waiting for nagerous' response before I post my opinions.

I'm going to be honest,I don't have any time right now for a follow up, not at least until friday or saturday, with the exam schedule I have this week.

Well, thats disappointing. Your response to lala's defense would have greatly influenced my opinion of him and you. You've seemed a little 'off' this game. I can't really explain it but your attacks on hank seemed a little unlike you. It might be nothing but a false hunch, but I still really wanted to gauge your reaction to his defense.


Also, sorry in advance if I am beating a dead horse, but I refuse to let this lalaland issue rest.

I have no idea what his whole "mafia alliance" thing was about, and I'm going to chalk it up to n00bishness and too much reality TV.

I disagree. Even if hank is a noob, there has to be some reason for him to ask the question. Something must have prompted the words "mafia alliance" to him and he must have gotten it from somewhere. In fact, because he was a noob, its almost guaranteed that he couldn't have made that up on his own.

That said, where did he get it from? I'm open to the idea that he had gotten it from an outside source (other than this game) and he merely mentioned it in this game because he was a noob and because he didn't know to bring such things up in the discussion forum. He said he had gotten it from Survivor, but I don't see how those alliances have any sort of bearing on this game or how he would even correlate the two (granted I have only seen a handful of episodes of survivor in my life). Besides that, the wording of his original question seems all wrong given what he claims he was asking. Then I thought that he might have gotten if from some other mafia site and just didn't want to bring it up (and so made up the survivor correlation). However, no matter how hard I search, I can't find a good reference anywhere to a "mafia alliance" anywhere on the net. I searched mafiascum and did a google search but found nothing that could possibly relate to our humble forum or the mafia game. Last, I searched the CC forums and found only one reference to a "mafia alliance" outside of this thread and that was in one post made by Doomyoshi in the albarezzi mafia game (remember, yoshi is the mod of this game). Below is part of the post he made in that thread:

I at first was thinking the mafia alliance was saf, edoc and victor and then edoc voted for me... however, after reading old posts, there is something not quite right with that argument. I am not quite sure what it is anymore. I know if I vote Nark right now, you will point to it as vote hopping or bandwagoning or whatever. That is where my spiritual vote is right now.

As you can see, this "mafia alliance" is not referring to any sort of new mafia, it is just yoshi's words referring to the traditional-style mafia. Now, hank was not in the Albarezzi mafia, so chances are he didn't read that post. However, he did read yoshi's role pm for this mafia. If yoshi used the same terminology for the "Mafia alliance" in the role pm, it would be the trigger that prompted the question.

Now, the last option is that perhaps the role pm does use the words "mafia alliance" but he was not necessarily mafia. Perhaps the pm said "you win when the mafia alliance is defeated". However, this is also very doubtful. First of all, I know for a fact that my pm doesn't refer to any mafia alliance. Second, if that really was how it is referred to in his role pm, why wouldn't lalaland explain that? It would definitely add credibility to his defense. Instead he just jokes about "too much reality tv". Because of all this, I believe that hank (and lalaland by extension) is still guilty. My vote stays.

The only thing that could possibly sway my opinion now is a damn good claim. And that should have come with lala's first defense.

[freezie]

And if Shield flips town, what do you suggest for D3?

Victor will possible have been recruited by then, so that's a start. lala would defnitly have some pressure put off her. Hopefully AoG will be killed tonight so we'll also see what info we can get from him.

And anything that can happen overnight.

Really, if someone flips town, it's not a dead end for us. I won't suggest anything on day 3, as we're on day 2.


If he flips scum, I'd be the first one to re-vote Lala.


Sorry, I read it and wanted to answer, however I forgot when I answered shield XD

[Rodion]

And if Shield flips town, what do you suggest for D3?

Victor will possible have been recruited by then, so that's a start. lala would defnitly have some pressure put off her. Hopefully AoG will be killed tonight so we'll also see what info we can get from him.

And anything that can happen overnight.

Really, if someone flips town, it's not a dead end for us. I won't suggest anything on day 3, as we're on day 2.


If he flips scum, I'd be the first one to re-vote Lala.


Sorry, I read it and wanted to answer, however I forgot when I answered shield XD

That makes no sense.

You're saying that if Shield flips town Lala becomes less suspicious? And if Shield flips scum Lala becomes more suspicious? Why not just lynch Lala then instead of lynching someone else to gauge Lala's suspiciousness (which would be a pretty innacurate way of gauging if you ask me)?

I still want to see Lala's full claim.

[lalaland]

Rodion and Squirrel: I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm not going to claim until I need too, and L-5 is not a situation in which I am going to claim. I think you're putting far too much weight to one noob post when there are scores of scummariners and other fishy actions and skimming, such as naxus, kraktos, and a whole bunch of others that never show up.

[freezie]

freezie: Claimed Spearow - Miller. On page 13 talked about the possibility of other human roles being in the game. Further claimed to be a town-alligned miller pokemon. From what I can see of the setup I don't think this fits.

I fail to see how I ''furhter claimed I was town alligned'' since a miller in it's definition is town...anyway...I claimed to be town miller right off the bat.

[ShaggyDan]

Looking at the set-up with multiple 'wild' pokemon I would have assumed you could be a third-party miller. With so many third party I very much doubt we have your conventional investigative roles. For one looking at Prof Oak's death scene he may have just been investigating whether pokemon were wild or caught without any indication of allignment. I would assume we have Officer Jenny out there just investigating allignment without knowing factions.

I guess my train of thought for suspicion of you is as follows:

1. Claims miller. Understandably a good move if you are miller, but also a good move if you're scum. Stops cops from investigating you, gives you a town-claim that would be generally believed, and it was well timed to do it early on.

2. Set-up gets somewhat revealed. Under the impression we have a collection of humans that will capture pokemon. We know there is a poisoner, as well as some kind of night killing role (possibly mafia or vig).

3. You claim town-alligned pokemon.

I could well be wrong and there may be town-alligned pokemon. I would have seen these as pokemon like Pikachu, or Psyduck... the main characters pokemon. Not so much Spearow. This leads me to believe that you are lieing about number 3. Ultimately, lynching you now when there are no apparant leads isn't a terrible idea. We can't trust the claim of miller. You're not a power role. If stuck for a lead I would vote you. You even said so yourself a few pages back that you'd happily be lynched to prove the presence of town-alligned pokemon.

That said, I would prefer an alternative with a better case on someone. With a lot of the case on Lala being built on Hank's posts (someone who was clearly new and subbed out early) I find it hard to bring myself to vote on it.

[freezie]

I did say and will not back down that if need be, I'll be lynched to prove it.

However, like I said, your reasoning is msotly correct, expected that I Claimed to be town at the same time I claimed miller. I never hid it.

And I never heard of third party millers...millers are generally vannila townies that appear guilty if investigated, which is the case here.

[ShaggyDan]

A third party miller is viable IMO if there are investigative roles looking for allignment as well as wild/caught. Or in the case of third party powers being transferred when they join a faction. But you're not claiming third party miller so it's a bit of a moot point.

Regardless if we have to lynch someone quickly before the end of the day I'd go with the claimed miller. I don't have much of a case rather than I don't think the claimed role fits into the setup as I see it. It's more a case of I think not lynching today is a mistake and that the only negative to lynching freezie (if the claim is truthful) is that we lose a VT that's a miller. We would also gain information that it is possible for pokemon to be town-alligned and not just people.

To repeat myself though, I would like to see a better target brought forward by someone. I personally can't see any except for maybe AoG. If a vig is going to kill him tonight then it's possible a mafia alligned busdriver could swap him around, leading to a vig mis-firing and hitting a townie. I'm still not convinced he's a Jester as it looks like he's confirmed Meowth (due to Meowth being mentioned in the scene of Oak's death). I'm trying to work out how Meowth would fit into a jester role. But I guess it is possible he lied about being Meowth as well...

[Haggis_McMutton]

1.
I'm surprised no one commented on Squirrel's post, I find it quite compelling.

Like he pointed out, the term "mafia alliances" is an odd one. It doesn't seem like the sort of term that randomly pops in your head, and I really fail to see any connection to Survivor.
The fact that Yoshi has used that term seems quite unlikely to be a coincidence.

I understand why some of you are reluctant to vote since lala just took over, but the game is finding scum. Hank acted like a classic noob scum, observations and questions that make no sense for a town player to ask, failure to explain them and massive lurking. Lala has acted like a classic experienced player. Avoided the claim, managed to somewhat calm down the lynchers. However, the fact that Lala is a good player doesn't change Hank's actions and the fact that an experienced player played like an experienced player doesn't reduce the chances that he's scum all that much.

Lastly, as has been mentioned, there's quite a few pages talking about this case now, at the very least the lynch will give us some interesting info about the people pursuing/opposing the case.

vote lala

2.
Agree that NK on AoG can be risky and is ultimately vig's decision, but he needs to be dealt with one way of the other.
Just to put it out there, town can well have some kind of watcher role, so even if scum redirects the kill, we may catch scum in the process.

3.
Welcome back lala, it's been a while

[kratos644]

Hmm a decent amount happened while I was asleep. I'll read up and hopefully have something good to post.

[kratos644]

Addition:

AoG could be part of Team Rocket looking to capture Pikachu, hence why he claimed Pikachu to get the real pikachu to claim?

Also the death scene of oak looks pretty important at the moment:

Professor Oaks infection was getting worse and worse. He probably (definitely) would have died tonight, but then he decided to mess with his records. Now, according to the Pokedex Charizards and Meowths are always wild.

We have a claimed Charizard and a claimed Meowth. So trying to come to a consensus on what this means is pretty important. Does this mean that the only instances he found of these pokemon were wild? Meaning AoG and Victor are wild at the moment. Does this mean they remain wild through the whole game and can't be caught?

If they can't be caught I'm hesitant to trust them because we don't know any pokemons win-cons for sure.

Thoughts people?

The part about Team Rocket trying to capture pikachu is interesting. They could possibly have a steal pokemon ability that they use instead of their NK?

I think we might be missing more information that this is providing than we should because we're paying too much attention to the poision and the always wild part. While it is possible that the then he decided to mess with the records was just there because jonty edited a post it's also possible that this means the pokedex just "says" they're wild because the records were messed with and they aren't actually wild. I'm more likely to believe Victor on wild charizard than AOG on wild meowth.

Even if you don't have leads, you guys should post and give thoughts on the leads we've already put in the thread.

What leads do we have though? There is no case against nag. That was stupid. As for jonty I dunno. That's probably the only case I'd really feel like we might look into.

Jonty is dead (and he was town). Skimming much?

Also, FOS Freezie for ignoring my question.

Dan, no thoughts on me?

Lol my bad. I wasn't skimming when I made that post I just flat out forgot that jonty was oak and got poisioned so I was pointing one of the other cases that was suspicious to me.

Also, sorry in advance if I am beating a dead horse, but I refuse to let this lalaland issue rest.

I have no idea what his whole "mafia alliance" thing was about, and I'm going to chalk it up to n00bishness and too much reality TV.

I disagree. Even if hank is a noob, there has to be some reason for him to ask the question. Something must have prompted the words "mafia alliance" to him and he must have gotten it from somewhere. In fact, because he was a noob, its almost guaranteed that he couldn't have made that up on his own.

That said, where did he get it from? I'm open to the idea that he had gotten it from an outside source (other than this game) and he merely mentioned it in this game because he was a noob and because he didn't know to bring such things up in the discussion forum. He said he had gotten it from Survivor, but I don't see how those alliances have any sort of bearing on this game or how he would even correlate the two (granted I have only seen a handful of episodes of survivor in my life). Besides that, the wording of his original question seems all wrong given what he claims he was asking. Then I thought that he might have gotten if from some other mafia site and just didn't want to bring it up (and so made up the survivor correlation). However, no matter how hard I search, I can't find a good reference anywhere to a "mafia alliance" anywhere on the net. I searched mafiascum and did a google search but found nothing that could possibly relate to our humble forum or the mafia game. Last, I searched the CC forums and found only one reference to a "mafia alliance" outside of this thread and that was in one post made by Doomyoshi in the albarezzi mafia game (remember, yoshi is the mod of this game). Below is part of the post he made in that thread:

I at first was thinking the mafia alliance was saf, edoc and victor and then edoc voted for me... however, after reading old posts, there is something not quite right with that argument. I am not quite sure what it is anymore. I know if I vote Nark right now, you will point to it as vote hopping or bandwagoning or whatever. That is where my spiritual vote is right now.

As you can see, this "mafia alliance" is not referring to any sort of new mafia, it is just yoshi's words referring to the traditional-style mafia. Now, hank was not in the Albarezzi mafia, so chances are he didn't read that post. However, he did read yoshi's role pm for this mafia. If yoshi used the same terminology for the "Mafia alliance" in the role pm, it would be the trigger that prompted the question.

Now, the last option is that perhaps the role pm does use the words "mafia alliance" but he was not necessarily mafia. Perhaps the pm said "you win when the mafia alliance is defeated". However, this is also very doubtful. First of all, I know for a fact that my pm doesn't refer to any mafia alliance. Second, if that really was how it is referred to in his role pm, why wouldn't lalaland explain that? It would definitely add credibility to his defense. Instead he just jokes about "too much reality tv". Because of all this, I believe that hank (and lalaland by extension) is still guilty. My vote stays.

The only thing that could possibly sway my opinion now is a damn good claim. And that should have come with lala's first defense.

Squirrel brings up a great point here. Bravo for the awesome research
I agree that it would seem to much of coincidence for Hank to randomly use that term after yoshi had called the actual mafia faction that once and as such I'm inclined to agree that it was likely part of the wording in the role PM and Hank made a slip up thinking he had some special type of role thinking he was in the "Mafia Alliance" and just used Survivor to try and cover his tracks. Therefore Lala moves to number 1 on the case list. Vote to come at the end of this long post.

And if Shield flips town, what do you suggest for D3?

Victor will possible have been recruited by then, so that's a start. lala would defnitly have some pressure put off her. Hopefully AoG will be killed tonight so we'll also see what info we can get from him.

And anything that can happen overnight.

Really, if someone flips town, it's not a dead end for us. I won't suggest anything on day 3, as we're on day 2.


If he flips scum, I'd be the first one to re-vote Lala.


Sorry, I read it and wanted to answer, however I forgot when I answered shield XD

Why would we start with Victor? It's just as likely he gets captured by Ash or someone good.

Because Shield flips town? That doesn't make any sense at all. If anything lala flipping town would make shield a little less suspicious for the people who are suspicious of him distancing himself from hank. Regards of how shield would flip though lala is equally suspicious.

So why not vote lala to start? That's the scummier case and will get us far more information.

Overall this post was weak and suspicious. Why would we vote for the less scummier person to get information on the likely scum? Then you're suggesting if shield flips town lala probably isn't scum? I'm sorry but that's some severely flawed logic and doesn't work for me.

FOS Freezie for trying to get us to vote shield taking pressure off of lala and suggesting if shield flips town then lala isn't suspicious.
If the two are scum they'd clearly know shield isn't so this post seems clearly designed to get us to vote shield get town then just forget about the two of them.

That makes no sense.

You're saying that if Shield flips town Lala becomes less suspicious? And if Shield flips scum Lala becomes more suspicious? Why not just lynch Lala then instead of lynching someone else to gauge Lala's suspiciousness (which would be a pretty innacurate way of gauging if you ask me)?

I still want to see Lala's full claim.

Completely agreed with you, Rod. Like said above freezie's post was pretty week and I believe lala needs to make a full claim.

Rodion and Squirrel: I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm not going to claim until I need too, and L-5 is not a situation in which I am going to claim. I think you're putting far too much weight to one noob post when there are scores of scummariners and other fishy actions and skimming, such as naxus, kraktos, and a whole bunch of others that never show up.

It's funny that you point out me for skimming when Rod said something about my post. Like I said I wasn't skimming I was just posting the other case who I thought was suspicious the prior day and forgot jonty went and got mod killed. Anyway to this as a while though, want Hank did was far scummier than my "skimming" and you're clearly just trying to direct attention away from yourself and onto an inexperienced player hoping to get them lynched instead of you.

freezie: Claimed Spearow - Miller. On page 13 talked about the possibility of other human roles being in the game. Further claimed to be a town-alligned miller pokemon. From what I can see of the setup I don't think this fits.

I fail to see how I ''furhter claimed I was town alligned'' since a miller in it's definition is town...anyway...I claimed to be town miller right off the bat.

The arguments for whether or not this truly makes you a miller or mafia though have WIFOM written all over them. Yes it'd be a risky move for mafia to claim miller off the start but if it's believed by the town you're basically safe. On the other hand if you don't claim miller at the start and get investigated it's going to be harder to get people to believe you and the cop will have been exposed so for now instead of giving full trust to the claim it can only be watched under suspicion.

1.
I'm surprised no one commented on Squirrel's post, I find it quite compelling.

Like he pointed out, the term "mafia alliances" is an odd one. It doesn't seem like the sort of term that randomly pops in your head, and I really fail to see any connection to Survivor.
The fact that Yoshi has used that term seems quite unlikely to be a coincidence.

I understand why some of you are reluctant to vote since lala just took over, but the game is finding scum. Hank acted like a classic noob scum, observations and questions that make no sense for a town player to ask, failure to explain them and massive lurking. Lala has acted like a classic experienced player. Avoided the claim, managed to somewhat calm down the lynchers. However, the fact that Lala is a good player doesn't change Hank's actions and the fact that an experienced player played like an experienced player doesn't reduce the chances that he's scum all that much.

Lastly, as has been mentioned, there's quite a few pages talking about this case now, at the very least the lynch will give us some interesting info about the people pursuing/opposing the case.

vote lala

2.
Agree that NK on AoG can be risky and is ultimately vig's decision, but he needs to be dealt with one way of the other.
Just to put it out there, town can well have some kind of watcher role, so even if scum redirects the kill, we may catch scum in the process.

3.
Welcome back lala, it's been a while

I'm with Haggis here. Why has everyone seemingly ignored Squirrel's post? It made a great point and had some good research put into it.

All agreed. Just because an experience player took over and played the role better than Hank doesn't mean we can just forget about what Hank said. The things he said were quite scummy and squirrel's post pointed out Mafia Alliance was used by yoshi before so it's quite possible it was used in the role pm and Hank( Now Lala) is mafia.

Again agreed. We've been discussing this case for some time and if Lala comes up as guilty then we have a good look at Freezie and possibly shield

Definitely the Vig's decision and without knowing whether or not we have a watcher yet (could be wild and gain the power when caught) we shouldn't tell the watcher what to do yet incase the possibility of the mafia having a busdriver that way we can keep our NA's less guessable by the mafia.

So in conclusion to all of this. Right now the best case to pursue is Lala. It'll give us the most information upon death and the fact that what Hank said was scummy can't be changed just because Lala is playing better than Hank did. I hadn't put my vote on earlier to keep the quick hammer from happening but since we're not close enough for that at the moment I'm going to add some pressure and get a claim.
Vote Lala

Following Lala is Freezie. Freezie seems to be trying hard to keep us off of Lala. Now this didn't happen when Hank was playing so maybe Freezie just didn't want to associate with the noob because he was digging a deep hole or Freezie really isn't mafia and is actually spearow. Either way the lynch on Lala would provide some good information towards this but in the meantime I will reemphasize my
FOS Freezie for reasons stated earlier in the post.

[lalaland]

FOS on Mr. Squirrel. Apparently he doesn't know how to use google, because when I typed in <"Mafia alliance">, this was the first link: http://mafiaalliance.wikispaces.com/Home
You can check this out yourself, but it's clearly a forum (inactive for a year or so) for mafia games.
From the website:

A project to bring together three sites: Court Records Mafia, Video Game Mafia, and Ace Attorney Online Mafia. Their goal of giving players a unique forum gaming experience of the game Mafia. Each site has something to bring to the project as a whole. This site is dedicated to the players, moderators, and creators of all three forums.

These other pages also are "mafia alliance" on the web:
http://mafiawars.wikia.com/wiki/Clans/M ... a_Alliance : That annoying "Mafia wars" facebook game has an "alliance" in it. He could have picked up the term there.
There's also a facebook.com/mafia.alliance which I'm assuming also has to do with the facebook game (I can't access facebook on this network), but again it's an instance of the phrase that Hank could have picked up on.

This link is broken for me, but that may be because I'm on a restricted network right now?
but http://crmafia.net/topic/459-the-mafia- ... on-league/ Which even mentions pokemon! so I don't know what that's about... but it seems as though if Hank were to have googled "pokemon mafia" or something like that, this would have come up and planted the idea.

So I don't know what Mr Squirrel is trying to do here, but obviously he's either a shit Googler, as these were all first page results, or being just plain scummy.

unvote vote Mr Squirrel