D.T.W.A.

[PLAYER57832]

We want to encourage Independence and liberty.

We don't want to bailout drug addicts with cash.

I don't really want to bail out anyone, but sometimes we have to do what is expedient. Doing otherwise is "cutting of your nose to spite your face".

[Phatscotty]

We want to encourage Independence and liberty.

We don't want to bailout drug addicts with cash.

I don't really want to bail out anyone, but sometimes we have to do what is expedient. Doing otherwise is "cutting of your nose to spite your face".

how is bailing out a drug addict with more cash expedient?

[Dukasaur]

The deal is that people who are addicted to drugs and have had their lives destroyed by drugs are being enabled to continue the reckless behavior, in this instance.

And people who are addicted to watching TV and having their lives destroyed by sloth are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and people who are addicted to going down to the local massage parlour and give all their money to the rub-and-tug girls are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and so on, and so on, and so on....

This is the point you've completely avoided from the opening bell... why are you obsessing about cutting people off for doing drugs and not for doing a thousand and one other idiotic self-destructive behaviours?

[Night Strike]

The deal is that people who are addicted to drugs and have had their lives destroyed by drugs are being enabled to continue the reckless behavior, in this instance.

And people who are addicted to watching TV and having their lives destroyed by sloth are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and people who are addicted to going down to the local massage parlour and give all their money to the rub-and-tug girls are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and so on, and so on, and so on....

This is the point you've completely avoided from the opening bell... why are you obsessing about cutting people off for doing drugs and not for doing a thousand and one other idiotic self-destructive behaviours?

Because doing drugs is illegal. When you give a blank check to people, the least you can do is make sure they aren't spending it on illegal activities. Just because those other things are stupid for people on welfare to be doing doesn't mean they are illegal.

It's pretty sad that the current line of reasoning against this policy is that A) We can't do it because we aren't doing it to other people and B) We can't do it because people are doing other unhealthy things. What ever happened to stopping ILLEGAL activities?

[Phatscotty]

The deal is that people who are addicted to drugs and have had their lives destroyed by drugs are being enabled to continue the reckless behavior, in this instance.

And people who are addicted to watching TV and having their lives destroyed by sloth are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and people who are addicted to going down to the local massage parlour and give all their money to the rub-and-tug girls are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and so on, and so on, and so on....

This is the point you've completely avoided from the opening bell... why are you obsessing about cutting people off for doing drugs and not for doing a thousand and one other idiotic self-destructive behaviours?

Because doing drugs is illegal. When you give a blank check to people, the least you can do is make sure they aren't spending it on illegal activities. Just because those other things are stupid for people on welfare to be doing doesn't mean they are illegal.

It's pretty sad that the current line of reasoning against this policy is that A) We can't do it because we aren't doing it to other people and B) We can't do it because people are doing other unhealthy things. What ever happened to stopping ILLEGAL activities?

Nobody who does not have a serious drug problem will be hurt. Please join me in understanding that drug addicts on welfare are thepeople who need help the most.

[Dukasaur]

This is the point you've completely avoided from the opening bell... why are you obsessing about cutting people off for doing drugs and not for doing a thousand and one other idiotic self-destructive behaviours?

Because doing drugs is illegal. When you give a blank check to people, the least you can do is make sure they aren't spending it on illegal activities. Just because those other things are stupid for people on welfare to be doing doesn't mean they are illegal.

It's pretty sad that the current line of reasoning against this policy is that A) We can't do it because we aren't doing it to other people and B) We can't do it because people are doing other unhealthy things. What ever happened to stopping ILLEGAL activities?

You say "ILLEGAL" with a passion that suggests you believe ILLEGAL=IMMORAL. I guess that's our basic disagreement. I think that in a democracy one's chances of being elected are directly proportional to one's ability to tell outrageous lies with no remorse. Therefore, I think holding elected office is presumptive evidence of sociopathy, and therefore I believe that any resemblence between what is legal and what is moral is purely coincidental.

[Dukasaur]

Nobody who does not have a serious drug problem will be hurt. Please join me in understanding that drug addicts on welfare are the people who need help the most.

Cutting off their income so they can go live on the street and steal to survive is helping them?

[john9blue]

Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I automatically don't think.

yes it does.

liberals are all smart, and all smart people agree with each other on every aspect of politics, so if you are conservative you are dumb. qed

[GreecePwns]

I forgot the part where BBS was a liberal. Must have missed that.

Also, I forgot the part where there were only 2 political ideologies.

[Phatscotty]

Nobody who does not have a serious drug problem will be hurt. Please join me in understanding that drug addicts on welfare are the people who need help the most.

Cutting off their income so they can go live on the street and steal to survive is helping them?

No. not even close.

#1 this is to apply for welfare. If you can't clean yourself up for the 30 whatever days before you apply to qualify for welfare, then you have a drug problem, and free cash isn't going to solve anything and in fact make the problem worse.

[GreecePwns]

Should marijuana be legalized? If so, why should one be clean of marijuana and not of alcohol or tobacco to receive welfare?

[john9blue]

I forgot the part where BBS was a liberal. Must have missed that.

Also, I forgot the part where there were only 2 political ideologies.

there ARE only two political ideologies. anyone in between is just a wishy washy idiot.

so, is bbs one of the good guys, or one of the bad guys? which team do you think he is on? i want to know, so that i can know whether to respond to his posts with encouraging agreement or derogatory laughter.

[GreecePwns]

I forgot the part where BBS was a liberal. Must have missed that.

Also, I forgot the part where there were only 2 political ideologies.

there ARE only two political ideologies. anyone in between is just a wishy washy idiot.

so, is bbs one of the good guys, or one of the bad guys? which team do you think he is on? i want to know, so that i can know whether to respond to his posts with encouraging agreement or derogatory laughter.

So where does a Nazi fit on your left/right scale? What about a libertarian? An anarchist? A monarchist? Okay. There's 4 political ideologies right there.

Let's not run around labeling everyone in order to prevent any actual debate, now.

[john9blue]

I forgot the part where BBS was a liberal. Must have missed that.

Also, I forgot the part where there were only 2 political ideologies.

there ARE only two political ideologies. anyone in between is just a wishy washy idiot.

so, is bbs one of the good guys, or one of the bad guys? which team do you think he is on? i want to know, so that i can know whether to respond to his posts with encouraging agreement or derogatory laughter.

So where does a Nazi fit on your left/right scale? What about a libertarian? An anarchist? A monarchist? Okay. There's 4 political ideologies right there.

Let's not run around labeling everyone in order to prevent any actual debate, now.

i hate nazis. left
i like libertarians. right
anarchists are weird. left
monarchists suck. left

man that was easy!

so, greece, why are you a nazi?

[radiojake]

I forgot the part where BBS was a liberal. Must have missed that.

Also, I forgot the part where there were only 2 political ideologies.

there ARE only two political ideologies. anyone in between is just a wishy washy idiot.

so, is bbs one of the good guys, or one of the bad guys? which team do you think he is on? i want to know, so that i can know whether to respond to his posts with encouraging agreement or derogatory laughter.

So where does a Nazi fit on your left/right scale? What about a libertarian? An anarchist? A monarchist? Okay. There's 4 political ideologies right there.

Let's not run around labeling everyone in order to prevent any actual debate, now.

i hate nazis. left
i like libertarians. right
anarchists are weird. left
monarchists suck. left

man that was easy!

so, greece, why are you a nazi?

Are you fucking serious, John? - Stuck with media driven binary opposites again -

LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT - Let's all march to the beat of the drum

[Army of GOD]

I forgot the part where BBS was a liberal. Must have missed that.

Also, I forgot the part where there were only 2 political ideologies.

there ARE only two political ideologies. anyone in between is just a wishy washy idiot.

so, is bbs one of the good guys, or one of the bad guys? which team do you think he is on? i want to know, so that i can know whether to respond to his posts with encouraging agreement or derogatory laughter.

So where does a Nazi fit on your left/right scale? What about a libertarian? An anarchist? A monarchist? Okay. There's 4 political ideologies right there.

Let's not run around labeling everyone in order to prevent any actual debate, now.

i hate nazis. left
i like libertarians. right
anarchists are weird. left
monarchists suck. left

man that was easy!

so, greece, why are you a nazi?

Are you fucking serious, John? - Stuck with media driven binary opposites again -

LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT - Let's all march to the beat of the drum

Do you really think he was serious...?

Also, find your own pics. Saxi used that one like a year ago.

[radiojake]

Do you really think he was serious...?

Also, find your own pics. Saxi used that one like a year ago.

But it is such a great picture - how can I not re-use it?

Also, sometimes it's hard to pick up sarcasm - So I guess I thought he was serious.

[Woodruff]

The deal is that people who are addicted to drugs and have had their lives destroyed by drugs are being enabled to continue the reckless behavior, in this instance.

You keep claiming that anyone who is addicted to drugs has had their life destroyed by drugs. You should try to claw your way out of your ignorance when you get a chance...maybe this link can help you with that:

http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.c ... -27086372/

We want to encourage Independence and liberty.

We don't want to bailout drug addicts with cash.

I don't really want to bail out anyone, but sometimes we have to do what is expedient. Doing otherwise is "cutting of your nose to spite your face".

how is bailing out a drug addict with more cash expedient?

Because it costs less of that tax money you keep whining about.

The deal is that people who are addicted to drugs and have had their lives destroyed by drugs are being enabled to continue the reckless behavior, in this instance.

And people who are addicted to watching TV and having their lives destroyed by sloth are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and people who are addicted to going down to the local massage parlour and give all their money to the rub-and-tug girls are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and so on, and so on, and so on....

This is the point you've completely avoided from the opening bell... why are you obsessing about cutting people off for doing drugs and not for doing a thousand and one other idiotic self-destructive behaviours?

Because doing drugs is illegal. When you give a blank check to people, the least you can do is make sure they aren't spending it on illegal activities. Just because those other things are stupid for people on welfare to be doing doesn't mean they are illegal.

It's pretty sad that the current line of reasoning against this policy is that A) We can't do it because we aren't doing it to other people and B) We can't do it because people are doing other unhealthy things. What ever happened to stopping ILLEGAL activities?

Why don't you care about the illegal activities when it involves OTHERS who are recieving that "blank government check".

The deal is that people who are addicted to drugs and have had their lives destroyed by drugs are being enabled to continue the reckless behavior, in this instance.

And people who are addicted to watching TV and having their lives destroyed by sloth are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and people who are addicted to going down to the local massage parlour and give all their money to the rub-and-tug girls are being enabled to continue their reckless behaviour, and so on, and so on, and so on....

This is the point you've completely avoided from the opening bell... why are you obsessing about cutting people off for doing drugs and not for doing a thousand and one other idiotic self-destructive behaviours?

Because doing drugs is illegal. When you give a blank check to people, the least you can do is make sure they aren't spending it on illegal activities. Just because those other things are stupid for people on welfare to be doing doesn't mean they are illegal.

It's pretty sad that the current line of reasoning against this policy is that A) We can't do it because we aren't doing it to other people and B) We can't do it because people are doing other unhealthy things. What ever happened to stopping ILLEGAL activities?

Nobody who does not have a serious drug problem will be hurt. Please join me in understanding that drug addicts on welfare are thepeople who need help the most.

You keep claiming that taking more taxes hurts people. You keep claiming that you believe that freedom is more important than governmental control. Yet you keep holding to this position that goes against both of those claims.

Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I automatically don't think.

yes it does.

liberals are all smart, and all smart people agree with each other on every aspect of politics, so if you are conservative you are dumb. qed

BigBallinStalin is a liberal? Geez, I WAS gone a long time.

[Phatscotty]

Do you really think he was serious...?

Also, find your own pics. Saxi used that one like a year ago.

But it is such a great picture - how can I not re-use it?

Also, sometimes it's hard to pick up sarcasm - So I guess I thought he was serious.

Its not nearly as much about republicans vs. democrats as it is about makers vs. takers.

[Woodruff]

Do you really think he was serious...?

Also, find your own pics. Saxi used that one like a year ago.

But it is such a great picture - how can I not re-use it?

Also, sometimes it's hard to pick up sarcasm - So I guess I thought he was serious.

Its not nearly as much about republicans vs. democrats as it is about makers vs. takers.

Yet in the case of this situation, it is those who are in favor of the drug testing who are the "takers" as they take your tax money and spend it in a fiscally untenable way.

[bedub1]

Only 19 votes overs 35 pages? I declare this place DEAD.

[notyou2]

scotty keeps erasing it

[Phatscotty]

Do you really think he was serious...?

Also, find your own pics. Saxi used that one like a year ago.

But it is such a great picture - how can I not re-use it?

Also, sometimes it's hard to pick up sarcasm - So I guess I thought he was serious.

Its not nearly as much about republicans vs. democrats as it is about makers vs. takers.

Yet in the case of this situation, it is those who are in favor of the drug testing who are the "takers" as they take your tax money and spend it in a fiscally untenable way.

Couldn't be more fickle. The people who abuse welfare getting kicked off it will far outweigh a 5$ test.

[Phatscotty]

Only 19 votes overs 35 pages? I declare this place DEAD.

I reset the poll. It ws over 50 votes (28 for drug tests, 22 for 0 responsibility whatsoever)

[Symmetry]

Only 19 votes overs 35 pages? I declare this place DEAD.

I reset the poll. It ws over 50 votes (28 for drug tests, 22 for 0 responsibility whatsoever)

Considering that recently a fair part of this discussion has been about drug tests for other recipients of government money, you should think about adding an option for:

"Sure, but only if bankers have mandatory drug tests too"