Equal marriage rights passed in NY

[Baron Von PWN]

what defense? i explained what i meant in my post. come on man.

The "bitch about anything you say that I don't like defence, which clearly show why you're a big jerk and I'm just being persecuted for speaking truth " defence

[Woodruff]

what defense? i explained what i meant in my post. come on man.

Thanks, Phatscotty.

[PLAYER57832]

Because race is a Constitutionally protected state of being while sexual preference is not. That's why you can't equate race with homosexuality.

Race is not a "Constitutionally protected state of being." Please use more precise arguments if you're going to argue about the Constitution; there is no language in the Constitution that says anything of the sort. The only part of the Constitution that even makes reference to race is the Fifteenth Amendment, which of course says that the government may not discriminate based on race when deciding who to grant suffrage to. So I'm not sure where you came upon this idea that the Constitution has any caveats or beliefs about race other than that specific rule, but it is surely a false belief; I cannot understand, based on a reading of the Constitution, why you would say that the Constitution cares any more about race than it does sexual preference.

In fact, it is the Fourteenth Amendment itself that protects against general discrimination in the application of laws by the federal government, and the text of this amendment does not make any reference to race or any other specific state of being. It simply says "...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." I simply cannot see, based on the reading of this text, how one could conclude that the government can discriminate based on sexual preference but not on race.

Reposting this because it's important. I'm not talking about rights. Neither should anyone else. The Fourteenth Amendment isn't about rights. It simply says that you cannot write a law that only applies to some subset of the population, that discriminates against others due to some arbitrary standard. It may be convenient for you to paint our position as defending marriage as a right because that is easier to attack, but I'm not doing that. I would be just as happy if no one was allowed to enter into a state-sanctioned marriage. As long as everyone follows the same rules, it's constitutional.

Except, ironically enough, but authorizing the "defense of marriage" act, etc they actually move toward making it a right under law.. and therefore even more subject to the charge of discrimination, not less.

[Phatscotty]

you think tea partiers are against gay marriage? wtf lol... f*ck fox news, they're the reason people think this stuff.

I'm sorry you are unable to laugh. I don't watch Fox News other than when Jon Stewart is making fun of them.

not saying you did. i'm about to puke from all these words you're stuffing in my mouth!

fox news helped publicize the tea party, and in doing so inserted a more socially conservative agenda, presumably to pander more to their viewers. this neo-tea party is the one that is hated on by the left (for good reason). you don't need to watch fox news to be influenced by them.

Tea partiers are for states rights. The people who live there make constitutional (hopefully) laws that they want to live under. You are so far past incorrect information and any credibility.

FOX aint got shit on you.

Woody, Congratulations. You have sucessfully replaced Pimpdave.

Poor misguided man. I will pray for you

[Phatscotty]

what defense? i explained what i meant in my post. come on man.

Thanks, Phatscotty.

Woody, you have proven you can go around ruining everyone's day and derailing threads, but lately (since the day this thread started) you really have gotten quite sour. Can you sweeten it up a bit? Come on man and snap out of it and bring back the Woody we all used to love. Let go of your hate brother! It's eating you alive and in public.

BEDAZZLED!

[Baron Von PWN]

you think tea partiers are against gay marriage? wtf lol... f*ck fox news, they're the reason people think this stuff.

I'm sorry you are unable to laugh. I don't watch Fox News other than when Jon Stewart is making fun of them.

not saying you did. i'm about to puke from all these words you're stuffing in my mouth!

fox news helped publicize the tea party, and in doing so inserted a more socially conservative agenda, presumably to pander more to their viewers. this neo-tea party is the one that is hated on by the left (for good reason). you don't need to watch fox news to be influenced by them.

Tea partiers are for states rights.

We know this because Phatscotty says so. I as a self appointed tea partier say this. Tea partiers are in favor of collectivizing agriculture in order to reduce taxes.

[Phatscotty]

you think tea partiers are against gay marriage? wtf lol... f*ck fox news, they're the reason people think this stuff.

I'm sorry you are unable to laugh. I don't watch Fox News other than when Jon Stewart is making fun of them.

not saying you did. i'm about to puke from all these words you're stuffing in my mouth!

fox news helped publicize the tea party, and in doing so inserted a more socially conservative agenda, presumably to pander more to their viewers. this neo-tea party is the one that is hated on by the left (for good reason). you don't need to watch fox news to be influenced by them.

Tea partiers are for states rights.

We know this because Phatscotty says so. I as a self appointed tea partier say this. Tea partiers are in favor of collectivizing agriculture in order to reduce taxes.

I know the issues. LESS GOVERNMENT! especially Federal! Ron Paul has spoken loudly in favor of states rights for years. If you are unable to take my word for it, take Ron Paul's?

why is everyone acting so weird in this thread?

[PLAYER57832]

you think tea partiers are against gay marriage? wtf lol... f*ck fox news, they're the reason people think this stuff.

I'm sorry you are unable to laugh. I don't watch Fox News other than when Jon Stewart is making fun of them.

not saying you did. i'm about to puke from all these words you're stuffing in my mouth!

fox news helped publicize the tea party, and in doing so inserted a more socially conservative agenda, presumably to pander more to their viewers. this neo-tea party is the one that is hated on by the left (for good reason). you don't need to watch fox news to be influenced by them.

Tea partiers are for states rights. The people who live there make constitutional (hopefully) laws that they want to live under. You are so far past incorrect information and any credibility.

Except, in my area, Tea Partiers are very much anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, etc.

[Baron Von PWN]

I know the issues. LESS GOVERNMENT! especially Federal! Ron Paul has spoken loudly in favor of states rights for years. If you are unable to take my word for it, take Ron Paul's?

why is everyone acting so weird in this thread?

Pssh Ron paul's been around way before the Tea party. excuse me but "Taxed Enough Already" the TEA party is about one thing only, less taxes! That's why I as a tea partier favor nationalising sectors of the economy and using those revenues to eliminate taxes.

[BigBallinStalin]

I know the issues. LESS GOVERNMENT! especially Federal! Ron Paul has spoken loudly in favor of states rights for years. If you are unable to take my word for it, take Ron Paul's?

why is everyone acting so weird in this thread?

Pssh Ron paul's been around way before the Tea party. excuse me but "Taxed Enough Already" the TEA party is about one thing only, less taxes! That's why I as a tea partier favor nationalising sectors of the economy and using those revenues to eliminate taxes.

I have now been swayed by this man's political stance, and from now on I am a Tea Partier, and I support nationalizing many sectors of the economy in order to use those revenues to eliminate taxes!

[thegreekdog]

I know the issues. LESS GOVERNMENT! especially Federal! Ron Paul has spoken loudly in favor of states rights for years. If you are unable to take my word for it, take Ron Paul's?

why is everyone acting so weird in this thread?

Pssh Ron paul's been around way before the Tea party. excuse me but "Taxed Enough Already" the TEA party is about one thing only, less taxes! That's why I as a tea partier favor nationalising sectors of the economy and using those revenues to eliminate taxes.

I have now been swayed by this man's political stance, and from now on I am a Tea Partier, and I support nationalizing many sectors of the economy in order to use those revenues to eliminate taxes!

I see no difference between nationalizing the economy and taxation (except that taxation only takes some of the income)

[Symmetry]

I don't usually bother policing my threads, but this has gotten way off topic. If you guys are having a good discussion (and I've appreciated reading it so far) then carry on, but it'd be nice if you remembered what the thread was about at the same time.

[got tonkaed]

sorry symmetry

[Symmetry]

So it goes

[Metsfanmax]

For the umpteenth time, the states rights issue is irrelevant if it is unconstitutional to allow marriage for straight couples but not gay couples. States should never have the right to implement unconstitutional policies.

[BigBallinStalin]

I know the issues. LESS GOVERNMENT! especially Federal! Ron Paul has spoken loudly in favor of states rights for years. If you are unable to take my word for it, take Ron Paul's?

why is everyone acting so weird in this thread?

Pssh Ron paul's been around way before the Tea party. excuse me but "Taxed Enough Already" the TEA party is about one thing only, less taxes! That's why I as a tea partier favor nationalising sectors of the economy and using those revenues to eliminate taxes.

I have now been swayed by this man's political stance, and from now on I am a Tea Partier, and I support nationalizing many sectors of the economy in order to use those revenues to eliminate taxes!

I see no difference between nationalizing the economy and taxation (except that taxation only takes some of the income)

Everybody wins with nationalization! The industry has now become the People's Industry!!!


[insert silly picture here]

[Phatscotty]

Foreigners know my country best!

Broadway Will Turn Some of New York’s First Gay Marriages Into Theater Event

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/broadwa ... marriages/

Newb Feed

[Woodruff]

Woody, Congratulations. You have sucessfully replaced Pimpdave.

Scotty, you were pimpdave's equal before he even left. You even use pictures, just like him. If you spent half as much time trying to understand what you read in these fora as you do in coming after me, your arguments would be a lot more effective.

[Phatscotty]

Woody, Congratulations. You have sucessfully replaced Pimpdave.

Scotty, you were pimpdave's equal before he even left. You even use pictures, just like him. If you spent half as much time trying to understand what you read in these fora as you do in coming after me, your arguments would be a lot more effective.

You are coming after me 100% of the time. I never respond to an original post of yours. You can't even communicate. Obviously my values piss you off to the point where you are calling me names and throwing hissy fits at me on a daily basis.

If you want to stop talking to each other fine.

We are broken up.

Goodbye

[Woodruff]

Woody, Congratulations. You have sucessfully replaced Pimpdave.

Scotty, you were pimpdave's equal before he even left. You even use pictures, just like him. If you spent half as much time trying to understand what you read in these fora as you do in coming after me, your arguments would be a lot more effective.

You are coming after me 100% of the time.

I "come after" any statements that revolve around hypocricy or poor logic, but I rarely "come after" individuals themselves unless in response to the same. I don't LOOK for your statements. I certainly argue with MANY other people here.

If you feel like I "come after you 100% of the time", perhaps it should indicate to you that, far too often, you make statements that revolve around hypocricy or poor logic. I believe that in the vast majority of cases, it is statements that you make that gain my attention, rather than you yourself.

I never respond to an original post of yours. You can't even communicate. Obviously my values piss you off to the point where you are calling me names and throwing hissy fits at me on a daily basis.

See, this is precisely what I'm talking about, Phatscotty. It's like you just can't stop from distorting everything. You seem unable to view anything without bias.

If you want to stop talking to each other fine.

I'm pretty sure you stopped communicating meaningfully quite some time ago. But hey, on the bright side, this means you can run off in a huff without having to answer for the stupid statement you made about my "cowardly tactics", right? Good move on your part.

[Phatscotty]

All you do is context drop, throw out red herrings, and personal attacks.

Call it whatever you want (I know you will!). Your posts are in the gutter and I do not have to go into gutter world just because you dare me to.

I say no thank you, and good day.

[Woodruff]

All you do is context drop, throw out red herrings, and personal attacks.

Oh good Lord, I do not. Seriously, get a grip, Phatscotty. This is just a ludicrous statement. Speaking of ludicrous statements...I thought you weren't talking to me any more? Was that another one of your lies?

Call it whatever you want (I know you will!). Your posts are in the gutter and I do not have to go into gutter world just because you dare me to.
I say no thank you, and good day.

So you're no longer talking to me...again? Or is this just going to be your new handy excuse for not having to respond to statements you don't want to?

[PLAYER57832]

So, any word on why same sex marriage is so terrible for society, yet?

[Symmetry]

So, any word on why same sex marriage is so terrible for society, yet?

So far it looks like heterosexuals are still getting married in NY, so the arguments about it being an "attack on traditional marriage" seem a bit defunct.

No major breakdown in social order or erosion of morality yet visible either. Time will tell, though, I suppose. It seems unlikely at the moment that giving homosexuals equal rights will actually cause any problems, but that's just my opinion, and the opinion of most Americans, and a fact.

Also, New York still seems unlikely to pass legislation legalising bestiality and/or incest. About as unlikely as it was before passing same sex marriage. It almost seems like the issues are unrelated.

[Woodruff]

So, any word on why same sex marriage is so terrible for society, yet?

So far it looks like heterosexuals are still getting married in NY, so the arguments about it being an "attack on traditional marriage" seem a bit defunct.

The biggest attack on marriage is divorce. The leading cause of divorce is heterosexual marriage. I don't see how the homosexual community can endanger marriage any more than the heterosexual community already is.