Vegans and Vegetarians, why oh why?

[Gillipig]

I'm going to make my comeback but I don't have much time now so it's going to have to wait until later! I love to talk about this subject !

[maasman]

Since going to college I cut way back on my meat consumption. I really do enjoy eating meat, but no more than fruits or veggies. Honestly, I'll eat whatever is given to me. Coming back from college I've eaten a lot more meat since that's what my parents make. At school, I have a plate of food which usually contains pasta, a veggie, and whatever else looks good, maybe more pasta, veggie, sandwich, a meat side etc. and then a bowl of fruit and a glass of chocolate milk. On most days at school I have the equivalent of less than 4 ounces of meat daily, often none at all.

[Borderdawg]

I just think eating meat is disgusting. If you all can stomach the thought of eating an animal, by all means do it.

That is your opinion, and you certainly have the right to it. I think living on veggies alone is rather asnine, but that is just my opinion! Personally, I love a good rare steak, blood still sizzling, preferably from a beef I have raised and slaughtered myself. Oh, but with a big ol' baked potato and a salad, of course!!

[bedub1]

2. Vegetarians and vegans are not informed. If we make a paralel betwen the digestive track of carnovores , omnivores, herbivores and humans we learn that humans are pretty much herbivores, not even omnivores, and not at all carnivores

Look at our teeth. Obviously we are omnivores.

And if you don't eat animals because you think it's cruel, you better not ever drive anymore...cause I drove this weekend and killed more than 1000 animals. They are splattered all over the front of my car.

[AndyDufresne]

2. Vegetarians and vegans are not informed. If we make a paralel betwen the digestive track of carnovores , omnivores, herbivores and humans we learn that humans are pretty much herbivores, not even omnivores, and not at all carnivores

Look at our teeth. Obviously we are omnivores.

And if you don't eat animals because you think it's cruel, you better not ever drive anymore...cause I drove this weekend and killed more than 1000 animals. They are splattered all over the front of my car.

This reminds me of an excellent article I came across years ago in the New York Times, essentially discussing how plants and animals share a lot more similarities than one may initially think, they move, they have forms of sense, and all-in-all don't want to be killed either. Article.

Plants, however, just don't scream. Or scream loudly.


--Andy

[PLAYER57832]

Plants, however, just don't scream. Or scream loudly.


--Andy

Neither do animals when they are slaughtered humanely.

[cyrenius]

2. Vegetarians and vegans are not informed. If we make a paralel betwen the digestive track of carnovores , omnivores, herbivores and humans we learn that humans are pretty much herbivores, not even omnivores, and not at all carnivores

Look at our teeth. Obviously we are omnivores.

Look at our teeth. Obviously we are not omnivores
Teeth: Incisors
carnivores: Short and pointed
omnivores: Short and pointed
herbivores: Broad, flattened and spade-shaped
humans: Broad, flattened and spade-shaped

And if you don't eat animals because you think it's cruel, you better not ever drive anymore...cause I drove this weekend and killed more than 1000 animals. They are splattered all over the front of my car.

where did exactly was that, in the chickencoop?

[bedub1]

2. Vegetarians and vegans are not informed. If we make a paralel betwen the digestive track of carnovores , omnivores, herbivores and humans we learn that humans are pretty much herbivores, not even omnivores, and not at all carnivores

Look at our teeth. Obviously we are omnivores.

Look at our teeth. Obviously we are not omnivores
Teeth: Incisors
carnivores: Short and pointed
omnivores: Short and pointed
herbivores: Broad, flattened and spade-shaped
humans: Broad, flattened and spade-shaped

And if you don't eat animals because you think it's cruel, you better not ever drive anymore...cause I drove this weekend and killed more than 1000 animals. They are splattered all over the front of my car.

where did exactly was that, in the chickencoop?

Please do your research.
Humans have 4 types of teeth.
Incisors, Canine, Premolars, Molars. Go read about them and you will understand how wrong you are.

And not through a chicken coop..it was on the freeway...and they are bugs and insects of all sorts.

[radiojake]

I just think eating meat is disgusting. If you all can stomach the thought of eating an animal, by all means do it.

That is your opinion, and you certainly have the right to it. I think living on veggies alone is rather asnine, but that is just my opinion! Personally, I love a good rare steak, blood still sizzling, preferably from a beef I have raised and slaughtered myself. Oh, but with a big ol' baked potato and a salad, of course!!

If I was able to raise my own animals and slaughter them I would eat a lot more meat -

My biggest problem with meat is the industry and the convienient packaged with plastic end results you find at supermarkets - You have no idea how this cow lived, died or slaughtered - I know its the same with the vegetables I buy, but they for whatever reason seem a little more benign.

[KoolBak]

I'll be slaughtering / cleaning 50 quail this Thursday

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[PLAYER57832]

I'll be slaughtering / cleaning 50 quail this Thursday

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Any good recipes?

[KoolBak]

We have hunted (responsibly) upland game for over 40 years (that pic in my avvy is our last chukar trip); Chukar, Quail, Hungarian Partridge are all awesome in a crockpot with a simple white sauce.....add shrooms / whatever and have over rice / noodles. We also bread them and bake in some simple cream of mushroom sauce. They are also awesome smoked.......the meat is very low in water content / extremely lean, so typically a sauce is preferred to keep the moisture level acceptable.

My sister and bro in law raise chickens for eggs primarily and secondarily for eating when they overpopulate; they added 60 quail eggs this season and 50 hatched and are ready ;o)

If you want more exact recipes, I can dig them up - I typically dont cook upland fowl till mid october so they are put away....lol.

[PLAYER57832]

We have hunted (responsibly) upland game for over 40 years (that pic in my avvy is our last chukar trip); Chukar, Quail, Hungarian Partridge are all awesome in a crockpot with a simple white sauce.....add shrooms / whatever and have over rice / noodles. We also bread them and bake in some simple cream of mushroom sauce. They are also awesome smoked.......the meat is very low in water content / extremely lean, so typically a sauce is preferred to keep the moisture level acceptable.

I imagine this would work well for grouse.. just grouse is a tad bigger?

My sister and bro in law raise chickens for eggs primarily and secondarily for eating when they overpopulate; they added 60 quail eggs this season and 50 hatched and are ready ;o)

Sadly, I live in town and cannot have chickens. I am looking for a place out of town, though.

If you want more exact recipes, I can dig them up - I typically dont cook upland fowl till mid october so they are put away....lol.

Sometimes, but no rush. Around here its grouse (native) and stocked pheasant. Neither are in season here now, either. Most chicken recipes work well for pheasant, though pheasant has far less fat and cooks much more quickly.

EDIT.. we don't even seem to have much squirrel or rabbit any longer. Partially its habitat change, but partially.. it is strange.

[KoolBak]

We also harvest grouse when we come across them, although we arent in wooded areas much during chukar season; we have the Ruff but I hear they are all similar. As far as meat, the grouse is very similar to the Hun (hungarian partridge)...a redder, stronger flavored meat. Chukar and quail are white.....we used to hunt lots of pheasant (also that good red color) but the farmers that used to let us now charge cityfolk big bucks for the priviledge ;o(

All upland fowl (all birds discussed) are very similar in thier leanness....all upland recipes work well for all these birds ;o)

Here is a good old book available on ebay for recipes

http://cgi.ebay.com/WILD-GAME-COOKBOOK-RECIPES-Upland-Birds-Small-Game-Deer-/220818441162?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item3369ce03ca

[Victor Sullivan]

I just think eating meat is disgusting. If you all can stomach the thought of eating an animal, by all means do it.

Max, humans are carnivorous (omnivorous) by nature, being able to stomach it and even desiring it is part of our id.

-Sully

[General_Tao]

Sweet, Koolbak, great to live off the land. Very ecological too.

[Neoteny]

I just think eating meat is disgusting. If you all can stomach the thought of eating an animal, by all means do it.

Max, humans are carnivorous (omnivorous) by nature, being able to stomach it and even desiring it is part of our id.

-Sully

Man, that sounds nice and science-y.

Lolfreud.

[KoolBak]

Thanks man ;o)

[cyrenius]

I just think eating meat is disgusting. If you all can stomach the thought of eating an animal, by all means do it.

Max, humans are carnivorous (omnivorous) by nature, being able to stomach it and even desiring it is part of our id.

-Sully

Then you should eat it raw and not seasoned

Please do your research.
Humans have 4 types of teeth.
Incisors, Canine, Premolars, Molars. Go read about them and you will understand how wrong you are.

I posted a link on the first page, there you have all the information you need, but you have to READ IT.
You said that I'm wrong only cause we have 4 tipes of teeth? Only canines has a resembles with carnivor teath but cimpanzees and horses have them too.

The truth is that this discusion is a bit..... early. We will talk in 3 or 5 years

[PLAYER57832]

Please do your research.
Humans have 4 types of teeth.
Incisors, Canine, Premolars, Molars. Go read about them and you will understand how wrong you are.

I posted a link on the first page, there you have all the information you need, but you have to READ IT.
You said that I'm wrong only cause we have 4 tipes of teeth? Only canines has a resembles with carnivor teath but cimpanzees and horses have them too.

I have read it. (copied here again for the la-- er busy http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html ) What many evolutionary biologists would say is that the chart (the evidence it represents) actually shows is an evolutionary migration from eating one type of food to eating many. Thus, we have characteristics of both herbivores and carnivores.

Ironically,some biologists now credit meat eating with our advances. Why? Because digesting plant material takes a lot more energy in comparison to meat. I will try to find the story I heard not so long ago on this.

At any rate, I think the whole vegan/carnivore bit is just another example of why we should not be extremists on much of anything. Those who are tend to well.. be less than logical.

[jimboston]

It's called... the food chain.

It's also called... survival of the fittest.

[Metsfanmax]

I just think eating meat is disgusting. If you all can stomach the thought of eating an animal, by all means do it.

Max, humans are carnivorous (omnivorous) by nature, being able to stomach it and even desiring it is part of our id.

-Sully

I think I left my id on the school bus one day a few years ago. Probably explains all this.

[bedub1]

Please do your research.
Humans have 4 types of teeth.
Incisors, Canine, Premolars, Molars. Go read about them and you will understand how wrong you are.

I posted a link on the first page, there you have all the information you need, but you have to READ IT.
You said that I'm wrong only cause we have 4 tipes of teeth? Only canines has a resembles with carnivor teath but cimpanzees and horses have them too.

The truth is that this discusion is a bit..... early. We will talk in 3 or 5 years

Are you trying to be rude with that? What do you mean talk in 3 or 5 years?

A carnivore is a sole meat eater.
An herbivore is a sole plant eater.
An omnivore eats both.

Vegetarians are herbivores. The rest of the human population are omnivores.

And your vegetarian propaganda website isn't unbiased facts.

[Victor Sullivan]

I just think eating meat is disgusting. If you all can stomach the thought of eating an animal, by all means do it.

Max, humans are carnivorous (omnivorous) by nature, being able to stomach it and even desiring it is part of our id.

-Sully

I think I left my id on the school bus one day a few years ago. Probably explains all this.

In addition, our bodies are structured so that our needs can be met by the foods we, as omnivorous mammals, eat (meat, fruit, vegetables, etc.). Granted, there is some adaptation to speak of, if your diet is consistent, but your body's make-up can't be that dramatically altered. There are nutrients in meat and poultry that our bodies still need, regardless of whether you eat it or not.

-Sully

[Metsfanmax]

I just think eating meat is disgusting. If you all can stomach the thought of eating an animal, by all means do it.

Max, humans are carnivorous (omnivorous) by nature, being able to stomach it and even desiring it is part of our id.

-Sully

I think I left my id on the school bus one day a few years ago. Probably explains all this.

In addition, our bodies are structured so that our needs can be met by the foods we, as omnivorous mammals, eat (meat, fruit, vegetables, etc.). Granted, there is some adaptation to speak of, if your diet is consistent, but your body's make-up can't be that dramatically altered. There are nutrients in meat and poultry that our bodies still need, regardless of whether you eat it or not.

-Sully

Those same nutrients can be found in other food sources, to varying degrees of concentration.