Zelda Mafia ~ Town Wins! Hyrule is Safe

[pancakemix]

My guess is Sword Link wanted to test Hensow's claim. He certainly got his answer.

For those unfamiliar with the flavor, the witch is Maple from the Oracle games. Since the Seed Satchel also appears in the Oracle games (and only in those games), it makes sense for her to have given it out. The character is probably town, possibly third party.

Either way, it seems fairly obvious that this game is equipment based and the Links are numerous. I'd bet there are also more equipment swapping characters than just Maple.

As far as 2 mafias: I doubt it. If Ganondorf is distorting dimensions I'd bet he'd be more careful than to bring himself in and totally screw everything up. As for SK or anything else, I could only think of Skull Kid (Majora's Mask) as another option and even that's a stretch.

[freezie]

I agree rds should out who he roleblocked. It would be nice to know who the witch "switched", because that person should now be bulletproof. But, that would expose the witch, and the doctor can't protect rds and the witch.

On second thought, if my first presumption is correct, it's better that we don't know who Shield Link is. As long as the witch knows where the shield is, she can keep moving it and act as another doctor.

Nobody should claim, rds needs to tell us who he blocked, but that's it.

Vote: Dibbun as my day 1 prime suspect.

I still feel like Dubbin was bandwagonning on the easy target.

Why don't you bandwagon deez nuts? Noob.

unvote

vote freezie

Bandwagonning and then OMGUS.

Aswell as:

No kidding it would be a mistake. Quit listening to idiots.

Long shor for me...but he was the first one to aknowledge we shouldn't vote rds because he's link, without knowing that there are multiple links in this game..Therefor, he is not link, so good chances of not beeing town. It is however not a perfect scenario...

[drunkmonkey]

PCM is correct about the witch, and after reading some background, I don't believe there was any "switching" involved. It would appear she only targets one Link, and gives him a new item: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Maple

[freezie]

As far as 2 mafias: I doubt it. If Ganondorf is distorting dimensions I'd bet he'd be more careful than to bring himself in and totally screw everything up. As for SK or anything else, I could only think of Skull Kid (Majora's Mask) as another option and even that's a stretch.

He already brought 20 more links to help each other against him, I wouldn't be surprised he got a few extra Gannondorfs in the lot

[drake_259]

I agree rds should out who he roleblocked. It would be nice to know who the witch "switched", because that person should now be bulletproof. But, that would expose the witch, and the doctor can't protect rds and the witch.

On second thought, if my first presumption is correct, it's better that we don't know who Shield Link is. As long as the witch knows where the shield is, she can keep moving it and act as another doctor.

Nobody should claim, rds needs to tell us who he blocked, but that's it.

Vote: Dibbun as my day 1 prime suspect.

I still feel like Dubbin was bandwagonning on the easy target.

Why don't you bandwagon deez nuts? Noob.

unvote

vote freezie

Bandwagonning and then OMGUS.

Aswell as:

No kidding it would be a mistake. Quit listening to idiots.

Long shor for me...but he was the first one to aknowledge we shouldn't vote rds because he's link, without knowing that there are multiple links in this game..Therefor, he is not link, so good chances of not beeing town. It is however not a perfect scenario...

Much good you are , didnt you read the night sence, dibbun has be replaced by none other than myself.

any how it's a bit hard to speak on his behalf, i don't know what was running through his head however he got upset a lot when he was suspected, is he a new player to this game?

[Epitaph1]

PCM is correct about the witch, and after reading some background, I don't believe there was any "switching" involved. It would appear she only targets one Link, and gives him a new item: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Maple

I agree about the switch. Depending how closely the role follows the game, it seems like the target would get a random item instead of an intentionally selected item from the witch.

As far as 2 mafias: I doubt it. If Ganondorf is distorting dimensions I'd bet he'd be more careful than to bring himself in and totally screw everything up. As for SK or anything else, I could only think of Skull Kid (Majora's Mask) as another option and even that's a stretch.

My first thought upon reading the night scene was that we have 2 mafias, but I don't know how that would fit in the context of the Zelda series. Perhaps one could be led by one of the different possessed wizards from the games like Agahim (or whatever his name is from Link to the Past for SNES) or Zant from Twilight Princess.

[pancakemix]

Agahim

Pretty much amounts to Ganondorf without the staying power.

Zant.

Spoiler

Ganondorf's puppet. Could be mafia, but I couldn't say.

[Epitaph1]

Agahim

Pretty much amounts to Ganondorf without the staying power.

Zant.

Spoiler

Ganondorf's puppet. Could be mafia, but I couldn't say.

In that case, what about 1 Ganon that controls 2 separate mafias?

[pancakemix]

In that case, what about 1 Ganon that controls 2 separate mafias?

Seems a bit counterintuitive if you ask me. In that case you may as well have one mafia.

PCM is correct about the witch, and after reading some background, I don't believe there was any "switching" involved. It would appear she only targets one Link, and gives him a new item: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Maple

But Hensow didn't have the shield he claimed to have. Since we have no reason to believe he would lie and given Maple's flavor, it is safe to assume that the items were swapped rather Hensow given another one.

[drunkmonkey]

PCM is correct about the witch, and after reading some background, I don't believe there was any "switching" involved. It would appear she only targets one Link, and gives him a new item: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Maple

But Hensow didn't have the shield he claimed to have. Since we have no reason to believe he would lie and given Maple's flavor, it is safe to assume that the items were swapped rather Hensow given another one.

Let me clarify my statement: I don't believe items are switched between players, as I first assumed. The witch switches one person's item with a new item.

[nagerous]

I am going to FOS Freezie for pursuing this dibbun lead he feels he has with vigilance. Dibbun is a well known psychotic from the forums but it doesn't make him scum in a mafia game and I think that freezie skimming and not realising dibbun has been replaced is pursuing this particular lead in a one-tracked frame of mind trying to acheive the easy lynch.

[shieldgenerator7]

CONFIRM!

Alright, I'm ready to rumble, but have no clue who might be scum... yet. I'll reread the thread and see if I find anything.

-SG7 ( )

[pancakemix]

PCM is correct about the witch, and after reading some background, I don't believe there was any "switching" involved. It would appear she only targets one Link, and gives him a new item: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Maple

But Hensow didn't have the shield he claimed to have. Since we have no reason to believe he would lie and given Maple's flavor, it is safe to assume that the items were swapped rather Hensow given another one.

Let me clarify my statement: I don't believe items are switched between players, as I first assumed. The witch switches one person's item with a new item.

Ah, yes. I agree. Simply stating the same fact differently.

[freezie]

Much good you are , didnt you read the night sence, dibbun has be replaced by none other than myself.

I read it.,..didn't see that small note XD

I am going to FOS Freezie for pursuing this dibbun lead he feels he has with vigilance. Dibbun is a well known psychotic from the forums but it doesn't make him scum in a mafia game and I think that freezie skimming and not realising dibbun has been replaced is pursuing this particular lead in a one-tracked frame of mind trying to acheive the easy lynch.

Skimming is a harsh word in this case..I simply didn't see Dibbun was replaced, I only seen Anark beeing replaced by Shield in the day scene.

About him beeing a psychotic..really? I don't go too much in the other forums, so I wouldn't know. First time I actually seen him around.

I'll take Nagerous' word for it and Unvote

fos: Drake

I still got my eyes on you for Dibbun's actions.

[rdsrds2120]

For those of you who wanted to know, I roleblocked Hensow, which is why I think he couldn't use his shield . I didn't think anyone would bother wasting a night trying to test his bulletproof claim in the event that that it would fail and a night would have been wasted.

-rd

[Commander9]

Night scene comments.

1 - Wizzrobe is part of the mafia. By telling who he blocked, Rds can clear one person of specifically being Wizzrobe (that could prove useful later on if Wizzrobe is the last remaining mafia member).

2 - We either have a vig Link or a SK Dark Link. His equipment is the small sword. I fail to see why a SK would target a bulletproof character. I'm leaning towards a vig shooting Hensow to test his bulletproof claim (and being extremely unfortunate with this witch switcharoo thing removing Hensow's shield). If I'm correct, there is no SK (unless his kill failed due to doctor/roleblock/something else).

3 - This witch is probably an "item busdriver"? Too soon to tell, but I wonder what would happen if she targeted someone without an item.

1. As of now, I really fail to see how this would prove to be useful at this stage of the game.

2. I'm also guessing a vigilante as I'm not completely sure how Link would fit the flavour of the baddie (then again, I'm really not THAT familiar with the Zelda universe).

I agree rds should out who he roleblocked. It would be nice to know who the witch "switched", because that person should now be bulletproof. But, that would expose the witch, and the doctor can't protect rds and the witch.

On second thought, if my first presumption is correct, it's better that we don't know who Shield Link is. As long as the witch knows where the shield is, she can keep moving it and act as another doctor.

Unless there's a huge benefit of claiming, it's usually best to not know the identity of strong power roles in the game...

I am going to FOS Freezie for pursuing this dibbun lead he feels he has with vigilance. Dibbun is a well known psychotic from the forums but it doesn't make him scum in a mafia game and I think that freezie skimming and not realising dibbun has been replaced is pursuing this particular lead in a one-tracked frame of mind trying to acheive the easy lynch.

THIS. I'm sorry to say, but while the guy is a top tier moron, he acted here exactly the same way he acted elsewhere and freezie trying to pin him shows that he was looking for an easy lynch.

Skimming is a harsh word in this case..I simply didn't see Dibbun was replaced, I only seen Anark beeing replaced by Shield in the day scene.

About him beeing a psychotic..really? I don't go too much in the other forums, so I wouldn't know. First time I actually seen him around.

I'll take Nagerous' word for it and Unvote

fos: Drake

I still got my eyes on you for Dibbun's actions.

I barely go to the other forums (barring clan world), but that guy is very hard to miss. Especially, now you still being fixed on this only makes it seem more suspicious.

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So the wizrobe is some sort of Mafia pgo role probably? Any ideas whom edoc may have tried to investigate?

I suppose we should tell the vig who we want dead from now on too then if we want an extra shot each night.

[Rodion]

I said "later on", Comm. Granted, it's a longshot, but if Wizzrobe is the last mafia member and Rds is dead, we would have lost a chance to clear someone. Well, Rds "cleared" Hensow, which is useless for us. =/

Rds, I think you can't block passive skills (such as bulletproof). His death is probably due to the vig + witch combo.

/, I don't think we can conclude that without a PR claim (mason with Edocsil, tracker on Edocsil, watcher on whoever Edocsil targeted). Besides, I do not think that it was a mafia PGO. If it was, I'd tend to think flavour would be more like "Edocsil investigated Wizzrobe and got killed!", and not the actual "after finishing his investigation, Edocsil found a Wizzrobe and got killed!" (at least the latter version is how I interpreted the night scene).

As for Freezie, I decided to check his latest forum posts. His latest non-mafia forum post dates from july 4th.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 7#p3245837

That considered, I think it is reasonable for him not to know Dibbun's reputation. I'm cool with Freezie as far as the Dibbun thing goes.

[drake_259]

I barely go to the other forums (barring clan world), but that guy is very hard to miss. Especially, now you still being fixed on this only makes it seem more suspicious.

I have never seen him around either, although i have only been back for back 2 weeks. so not something to be real suspicious about.

2. I'm also guessing a vigilante as I'm not completely sure how Link would fit the flavour of the baddie (then again, I'm really not THAT familiar with the Zelda universe).

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Dark_Link could be something like this?

[drunkmonkey]

Dark Link is completely black, and could not be visibly confused for a normal Link. I don't think the flavor would have called him "another Link" if he was Dark Link. A vigilante "sword Link" seems to fit in well. Also, a mafia member would be foolish to test Hensow's claim, as pointed out by someone already. It makes sense for a vigilante to test it, because barring the witch (which no one could have expected), it seemed as there was nothing to lose.

[drake_259]

Dark Link is completely black, and could not be visibly confused for a normal Link. I don't think the flavor would have called him "another Link" if he was Dark Link. A vigilante "sword Link" seems to fit in well. Also, a mafia member would be foolish to test Hensow's claim, as pointed out by someone already. It makes sense for a vigilante to test it, because barring the witch (which no one could have expected), it seemed as there was nothing to lose.

Well he is still a link however black so he is still another link just different. But however i do agree it seems much more likely that the vig killed him testing his claim

[DoomYoshi]

All this flavour spec is really not getting us anywhere for a lynch today:(

For those of you who wanted to know, I roleblocked Hensow, which is why I think he couldn't use his shield . I didn't think anyone would bother wasting a night trying to test his bulletproof claim in the event that that it would fail and a night would have been wasted.

-rd

Do you have to use a roleblock every night? If not, then that move was a mistake in general; you shouldn't roleblock someone you expect to be town unless they are overeager vig, or some other weird situations.

So the wizrobe is some sort of Mafia pgo role probably? Any ideas whom edoc may have tried to investigate?

I suppose we should tell the vig who we want dead from now on too then if we want an extra shot each night.

PGO? What does it mean?

Still waiting on the results of shield's entry readthrough.

[drake_259]

PGO? What does it mean?

Paranoid Gun Owner Maybe?

"a Paranoid Gun Owner will automatically kill anyone that targets them at night for any reason, whether positive or negative. This ability is also retained for the duration of the game, unlike the one-time Army Veteran role. However, the PGO is not given the option to make their ability active in the same way as an Army Veteran might be"

[shieldgenerator7]

I don't think I found many scum leads during my read through, but I have some thoughts about flavor and game setup.
I find it interesting that the other link in the didn't have a sword or shield to combat with, so it might mean there was a possibility of him getting one, but of course he can't now since he's dead. And So Maple being able to switch objects makes sense. It probably also indicates that each link has an object of his own that he can use (I know I do) and I wonder whether these objects are one-time use or whether you can keep using them (like mine). It seems that you can keep using them until someone switches your object. I wonder which ability you can use on the night of the switching?

ABout scum leads, I really didn't find any, but rds' roleblocking claim sounds fishy. Granted, he did claim n00b, but what use would blocking a bulletproof be? I'd say rds fakeclaimed and he is either (a) Maple or (b)Link with the sword. I think he's lying about his true identity to hide something. Vote rds explain your logic for trying to roleblock a bulletproof or tell us who you really are.

[drunkmonkey]

ABout scum leads, I really didn't find any, but rds' roleblocking claim sounds fishy. Granted, he did claim n00b, but what use would blocking a bulletproof be? I'd say rds fakeclaimed and he is either (a) Maple or (b)Link with the sword. I think he's lying about his true identity to hide something. Vote rds explain your logic for trying to roleblock a bulletproof or tell us who you really are.

(a) Maple turned bulletproof Link into a JOAT. As mafia would still think he was bulletproof, town would have a "safe" JOAT. This leads me to believe Maple is Town.
(b) Link with the sword also had a good reason to target Hensow. If Hensow was telling the truth, he lived; if he was lying, he died.

Both accusations you throw at rds still make him town, yet you cast a vote for him anyway. Vote shieldgenerator7; I'd like to hear why you think a townie is fakeclaiming, and why you want to kill him anyway.