Zelda Mafia ~ Town Wins! Hyrule is Safe

[nagerous]

Rds must be lying, I was definitely not roleblocked last night.

LAL vote rdsrds2120

-Sully

That's quite the assumption to make.. He has no reason to lie and claim he roleblocked two people. Let's not be brash here. Also, I'm going to need to hear more from both you and rds about this before I make such a bold move to vote on a weak cause like this like you have.

[dazza2008]

Hey! unvote I forgot about the busdriver role. I have never played a game with that in it yet. I will wait to hear more.

[Victor Sullivan]

Rds must be lying, I was definitely not roleblocked last night.

LAL vote rdsrds2120

-Sully

That's quite the assumption to make.. He has no reason to lie and claim he roleblocked two people. Let's not be brash here. Also, I'm going to need to hear more from both you and rds about this before I make such a bold move to vote on a weak cause like this like you have.

I have the Ocarina of Time and can track people from the previous night. All I'll say is I can clear you, nagerous

-Sully

[Rodion]

How can a tracker role clear Nagerous?

And when you say "previous night", do you mean your N2 track gets you a report from N1?

[nagerous]

Victor, please elaborate as to how I am cleared. I need more information from you, rather than vagueness. Answer rodion's question above when you get a moment.

Rodion, I take it you are not disputing rds's claim that he roleblocked you.

[Rodion]

I didn't get a PM stating I was roleblocked, but at least for now the nature of my role doesn't make it mandatory for the mod to send me a "you were roleblocked" PM.

[DoomYoshi]

I disagree with the Deku Tree claiming. Yes, the mafia knows the Deku Tree is, but the mafia also knows everyone who isn't town. By that same logic, everyone should claim whether or not they are town. Since we are all working with the assumption that people are town (until proven guilty) that makes no sense either.

Unless that player is under pressure, it is unfair to force them to claim, as they have done nothing wrong. Some said the Deku Tree should claim to prevent a mislynch... this doesn't help unless the Deku Tree is the person we are going to mislynch; in which case they claim when they are under pressure and everything is fine.

[nagerous]

I disagree with the Deku Tree claiming. Yes, the mafia knows the Deku Tree is, but the mafia also knows everyone who isn't town. By that same logic, everyone should claim whether or not they are town. Since we are all working with the assumption that people are town (until proven guilty) that makes no sense either.

Unless that player is under pressure, it is unfair to force them to claim, as they have done nothing wrong. Some said the Deku Tree should claim to prevent a mislynch... this doesn't help unless the Deku Tree is the person we are going to mislynch; in which case they claim when they are under pressure and everything is fine.

Indeed.

Sully, I await your response. If you don't respond within 24 hours I will be sending a vote your way.

[Victor Sullivan]

How can a tracker role clear Nagerous?

And when you say "previous night", do you mean your N2 track gets you a report from N1?

I mean Night 1.

Victor, please elaborate as to how I am cleared.

You targeted Hensow Night 1, and given the flavor of the scene from Night 1, I'd guess you to be the vig Link.

-Sully

[drunkmonkey]

Victor, please elaborate as to how I am cleared.

You targeted Hensow Night 1, and given the flavor of the scene from Night 1, I'd guess you to be the vig Link.

-Sully

That's quite a bold assumption, considering the scene told us Hensow was targeted by 2 people, and that's just the minimum.

[nagerous]

How can a tracker role clear Nagerous?

And when you say "previous night", do you mean your N2 track gets you a report from N1?

I mean Night 1.

Victor, please elaborate as to how I am cleared.

You targeted Hensow Night 1, and given the flavor of the scene from Night 1, I'd guess you to be the vig Link.

-Sully

The reason I was going to vote you because I know that I targetted Hensow night 1 and the very fact he died would not make me suspicious in the eyes of the tracker no? I can confirm that I am not 'vig link' and I did not kill Hensow, I imagine that this now makes me look scummy in the eyes of the general populace. I don't think however it is beneficial for the town for me to claim at this current moment in time however and will only do if pressured

I am still at a loss at how this makes look rd scummy though, surely if he roleblocked you night 2 it means you won't get your tracking results for night 2, not that your results for the previous night would not go through.

[Victor Sullivan]

How can a tracker role clear Nagerous?

And when you say "previous night", do you mean your N2 track gets you a report from N1?

I mean Night 1.

Victor, please elaborate as to how I am cleared.

You targeted Hensow Night 1, and given the flavor of the scene from Night 1, I'd guess you to be the vig Link.

-Sully

The reason I was going to vote you because I know that I targetted Hensow night 1 and the very fact he died would not make me suspicious in the eyes of the tracker no? I can confirm that I am not 'vig link' and I did not kill Hensow, I imagine that this now makes me look scummy in the eyes of the general populace. I don't think however it is beneficial for the town for me to claim at this current moment in time however and will only do if pressured

Fair enough, but you did target Hensow, thereby at least clearing myself.

I am still at a loss at how this makes look rd scummy though, surely if he roleblocked you night 2 it means you won't get your tracking results for night 2, not that your results for the previous night would not go through.

I'm not entirely sure how roleblocking works with the Ocarina, but I would expect the roleblock would occur before I got to "use" it. I guess we will only know by tomorrow, as long as rds doesn't roleblock me Night 3, just to make sure. I think we can at least hold off pressuring rds until then.

-Sully

[DoomYoshi]

Victor, please elaborate as to how I am cleared.

You targeted Hensow Night 1, and given the flavor of the scene from Night 1, I'd guess you to be the vig Link.

-Sully

That's quite a bold assumption, considering the scene told us Hensow was targeted by 2 people, and that's just the minimum.

It seems Hensow was targeted by at least 3 people, if rds is to be believed.

[DoomYoshi]

...Which bothers me a bit, considering there was no mention of the boomerang in the scene.

[Rodion]

I still need a clear answer. Was the "Nag visited Hensow during N1" your N1 report or your N2 report?

And how does proving that Nag indeed visited Hensow clears you?

[Victor Sullivan]

I still need a clear answer. Was the "Nag visited Hensow during N1" your N1 report or your N2 report?

And how does proving that Nag indeed visited Hensow clears you?

"Nag visited Hensow during N1" was my Night 2 report about Night 1. Like I said, I track what someone did the night before.

Why wouldn't it clear me? He did target Hensow after all, and I have claimed to hold the Ocarina, which no one has counterclaimed to hold, and the Ocarina of Time has to be in this game, no? Plus, the power fits the item.

-Sully

[drunkmonkey]

The boomerang had no effect on the outcome of the scene, so there was probably no need to mention it. I feel like the rds case has been discussed to death, and it's going nowhere.

What about killboy? Nagerous was trying to build a case at the end of Day 2, which most of us shrugged off in favor of Iliad. I re-read his initial post:

I'm involved drunkmonkey ......

I too am new, so I'm just sitting back trying to read all the copious amount of writing in this thread trying to figure out what makes sense... (I just want to know who's scum so I can see a lynch happen)

Since this was his first post since the game started, the little smiley and ellipsis lead me to believe he's been active at night.
Is it me, or does this sound like something that a townie wouldn't say?

Add to this the bandwagon vote nag pointed out, and he just seems very suspicious to me. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but we seem to be focusing too much on a weak case on one person.

[BGtheBrain]

****

[DoomYoshi]

unvote

I agree with Sully that we should wait until D4 to verify rds' claim. As for killboy, unfortunately, we have very little to go on here. Perhaps a prod is in order?

[Rodion]

I still need a clear answer. Was the "Nag visited Hensow during N1" your N1 report or your N2 report?

And how does proving that Nag indeed visited Hensow clears you?

"Nag visited Hensow during N1" was my Night 2 report about Night 1. Like I said, I track what someone did the night before.

Why wouldn't it clear me? He did target Hensow after all, and I have claimed to hold the Ocarina, which no one has counterclaimed to hold, and the Ocarina of Time has to be in this game, no? Plus, the power fits the item.

-Sully

It doesn't clear you because mafia may have fakeclaims. While a doc/cop claim is usually considered instantly cleared in the absence of a counterclaim, a tracker can be mafia-aligned. More on that, check Mafia Mafia game by Victor Sullivan.

And now that things are clear your claim looks weird. A usual tracker would have 2 reports:

a) a N1 report on N1 events
b) a N2 report on N2 events

Now, Rds claimed he blocked you N2 and you said he lied, BUT you did not provide any report on a N2 event. Conveniently, this supposed N2 non-block was disproven by a report on a N1 event.

For the record, I'm not voting you (for now) for 3 reasons:
a) I don't think a mafia player would lie in order to force a mislynch and die the following day/same night like Chap recently did with Jonty in Game of Thrones Mafia (1 for 1 is not a good trade for the mafia)
b) if you are telling the truth, you'll be able to give us a N2 report on D4 (after N3)
c) you have an uncanny talent for looking extremely suspicious when you are town (Team CC Mafia, Game of Thrones Mafia)

I think we can wait 1 more day to verify your claim. If it's proven truthful, then we either assume that Rds lied or that someone interfered with the roleblock.

As for pressuring someone right now, vote killboy.

Since you said in my FF7 thread that that would be your first game, I assume that this one is actually your first, so I'll give you an explanation on why you need to post more. Basically, other than a cop saying they got a guilty on someone (and our cop is already dead, by the way), the only way we can actually decide who is mafia is by analysing everyone's ideas/posts in the thread. If you don't post, you are technically immune to scrutiny and a mafia player that can't be scrutinized is in a great position to the town's dismay. That is why people will not let you be inactive/lurk and will vote you if you do that. Not having spectacular ideas is not a reason for not posting. Posting only to say that you don't know what to say is not helpful either (and, frankly, I'm not sure how Gimli is able to survive so long by doing that, but I digress). Anyway, your explanation is here and all excuses for not posting are off.

Squirrel, please prod him (and anyone else that has not posted at all during D3).

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'm prodding killboy and freezie

[killboy108]

Ok, so I've been prodded and here I am with my understanding of what's doing...

Firstly to make things clear:

a) I use smilie faces all the time, but it seems that drunk monkey thinks that using smilies is correlated to being scrum?
I wanted to use a sad face here, but you know what'll happen...

b) I won't use the excuse of being new again....apparently using this after D1 is offencive.

c) It's true I want to see some lynching action, I can't deny this. HOWEVER this is not due to being scum, it is infact because I thought mafia games were a hell of a lot quicker than this.
But now I see from the posts made by players that "bandwagoning" is something that helps scum & hurts townies, I'll make sure not to do this.

d) To contibute my part, I'm a little suss on drunkmonkey for saying smilies are linked to night action??? VOTE DRUNKMONKEY. Please explain this to me to remove this vote???

[drunkmonkey]

I didn't say smilies are linked to night action. You had no participation in the thread, but said "I am involved..." Well, you obviously weren't involved during the day, so that only leaves one option. No, it doesn't automatically make you scum, but given your enthusiasm for a lynch, and your bandwagon vote on D2, it makes me suspicious.

[Epitaph1]

Re: Killboy.

I'm getting a hard read on Killboy for the reasons stated by Rodion, primarily he hasn't been super involved until this point. Although he does allude that he has been "involved" which would suggest some action in addition to just reading the thread. I don't think monkey was saying that smiley faces in general are suspicious (correct me if I'm wrong) but that Killboy's use in conjunction with the ellipsis suggests Killboy has been busier than his post activity would suggest.

The second quote pointed out by drunkmonkey does seem scummy, but could very well be a rookie slip up.

[killboy108]

Ok, to clear things up for you over the word involved being dissected to pieces.

Drunkmonkey's Quote:
FOS Iliad & killboy. I just went over the thread again - Iliad has yet to post, and killboy only posted once (a joke vote). I'm still learning the ropes, so I'm not sure how to get them involved.

Killboy's response:
I'm involved drunkmonkey ......

The only reason why I used the word involved was to avoid being FOS'ed for inactivity.

What I should have said, "here I am, I'm not dead-beating everyone!".

Unvote drunkmonkey