Zelda Mafia ~ Town Wins! Hyrule is Safe

[zimmah]

i have finaly read everything now.

the most suspicious people i can think of right now are SG7, doomyoshi, epitaph1 and drake.

altho i don't think there's much evidence for either of them. it should be noted though that SG7 softclaimed link in this post, but read on for someone much more suspisious:

I don't think I found many scum leads during my read through, but I have some thoughts about flavor and game setup.
I find it interesting that the other link in the didn't have a sword or shield to combat with, so it might mean there was a possibility of him getting one, but of course he can't now since he's dead. And So Maple being able to switch objects makes sense. It probably also indicates that each link has an object of his own that he can use (I know I do) and I wonder whether these objects are one-time use or whether you can keep using them (like mine). It seems that you can keep using them until someone switches your object. I wonder which ability you can use on the night of the switching?

he claims he has an item as well, but he never stated he used it. now he might have been the link with the bottle and if that's the case he might or might not have any item atm. at this point i don't know if i should beleive him or not. also in the case he really is link (especially link with doc-lke powers) he'd be wise not to tell anyone as he'd be a likely target for the mafia.

drake has made some really weird posts, slips of tongue maybe? i think it's all a little too much to be an accident, and he needs some serious explanation to make me unvote him.

Spoiler

1)
he refuses to roleclaim, the way he is wording it leads me to believe he is hiding something, he would most likely not even reveal his role under pressure, it might be a good idea to pressure him, if only to force him to talk.

OMGUS VS

Check your role again victor from the mod and say that again please! (your role post)

all im gonna say, im not gonna role claim however that has gave me out a little bit.

I don't know what you're talking about! This only confirms my vote.

And get a spritzer or something, drake, you sound a bit "horse"

-Sully

Okay i'm more or less confused with this but hey guess what i'm town

Lol, like everyone's just gonna take your word for it

-Sully

Hopefully Yup

2) i find this 2 posts extremely suspisious and they have been completely overlooked so far (page 36 and 38)

Also, I am not sure that I understand what happened here with VS and rds. Victor claims that rds did indeed target Victor and Rodion, but if he got a successful result, then clearly rds wasn't roleblocking either or both of those targets. Am I missing something here?

My suspicion is he is a Mafia Busdriver. I mean, unless I'm an unblockable tracker, which seems quite odd. Vote rds. Things don't add up and he's submarining.

-Sully

I don't buy it. From the flavor, Rodion got the bomb two nights in a row. If you and Rodion were busdriven, that means the bomb vig targeted you on N2 and Rodion on N3.

I'm not sure what happened, but rds has checked out several times. Does MoB know freezie's N2 actions? It could possibly clear rds.

Well its possible however we won't know until the bomber claims.



And great, thought the mafia lost the kill again.

/ killed hensow N1 it looks like

i would say bomb could be a sk but N1 their was no kill from him however this leads me to think it was a previous inactive??? if not i'm not sure as i doubt 2 vigs???

How was mafia stopped??? a roleblock???? we have had no clues to help us this time.

seems to me lke he's happy the mafia actually got a kill, overly confused as of why mafia kill didn't get tallied.
also note the usage of 'us' right after a question about mafia, an untoughtfull slip of tongue while being in panic? likely.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... &start=555
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... &start=525

explain, until then my vote is on him (official vote at the end of this long post)
epitaph has been very silent, and in a case against drake he seemed to softly defend drake without much proof. (protecting a scummate?)

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... a#p3354360

not quite sure what to think of doomyoshi, suspisious claim and behavior but sully has a point in defending yoshi (and i beleive sully to be pro-town) so i'll just assume yoshi is pro-town for now but i'll keep my eye on him nevertheless.

sg7 is basicly suspicious for the really weird vote on VS, even tho it compleletly lacked any sense, but joke votes like that on day 4 is not going to help anyone, tho if sg7 is really a doctor (assuming sg7 would somehow be able to regain his powers, or has them back allready at this point) it might be pretty bad for town. for that reason i'll first follow other leads but FoS SG7

UNVOTE VOTE drake_259

[BGtheBrain]

****

[MoB Deadly]

Great post zimmah! I think shield is town, even though he may not be the smartest town

[drake_259]

haha zimmbah now go back a re read when VS confirmed me inno and outted that i wasn't a power role (he voted me to try and get scum slips from people from trying to get me)

so you must think VS is also scum then i presume and mr item upgrader

nice voting

[spiesr]

drake has made some really weird posts, slips of tongue maybe? i think it's all a little too much to be an accident, and he needs some serious explanation to make me unvote him.

One thing to keep in mind when suspecting drake is the following:

I've known drake to be innocent for awhile now; I won't go into further detail aside from he's not a power role. Knowing this, I thought a weak case on him (though risky and perhaps a bit convoluted) would out a scum or two. It seems it may have.

Victor claims to have sort sort of knowledge that indicates drake to be town aligned. Since he hasn't told us anything about what this may or may not be and has no obvious to be in possession of such knowledge, you can take his statement or leave it. But you should definitely keep it in mind for whatever it is worth when thinking about drake...

[zimmah]

haha zimmbah now go back a re read when VS confirmed me inno and outted that i wasn't a power role (he voted me to try and get scum slips from people from trying to get me)

so you must think VS is also scum then i presume and mr item upgrader

nice voting

1) quote where VS actually CONFIRMED you are a townie (note: stating he thinks you're innocent is no proof)

2) what does the item upgrader have to do with it, you didn't even take the time to call his name, even tho i'm quite sure he revealed himself before.

right now, your post has no defense in it at all, i stay with my opponion that a little pressure on you won't hurt.

[zimmah]

drake has made some really weird posts, slips of tongue maybe? i think it's all a little too much to be an accident, and he needs some serious explanation to make me unvote him.

One thing to keep in mind when suspecting drake is the following:

I've known drake to be innocent for awhile now; I won't go into further detail aside from he's not a power role. Knowing this, I thought a weak case on him (though risky and perhaps a bit convoluted) would out a scum or two. It seems it may have.

Victor claims to have sort sort of knowledge that indicates drake to be town aligned. Since he hasn't told us anything about what this may or may not be and has no obvious to be in possession of such knowledge, you can take his statement or leave it. But you should definitely keep it in mind for whatever it is worth when thinking about drake...

i would like to know why VS claims to know anything about drake, and what makes him so sure he's innocent, as his posts really seem suspisious. i'll see if i can see anything in VS posts.

[zimmah]

Townies

BG the brain Great fairy
Dazza - Navi - Not Confirmed, but I believe him
Mob Deadly - Link switchhok Not confirmed, but I believe him too.
Rds - Link Boomerang
Victor Sullivan link Ocarina

so we can add to that that drake claimed epona let's mark him unbloded blue for now, some people believe him for unknown reasons, even tho i am not really sure yet.

there's a lot of people that have not really gotten a lot of attention, and there's quite a few that are said to be town-aligned. i have another 2 persons (myself included) of which i'm sure. i'll mark the assumed townies in blue.

1.
2. Commander9 - zimmah (noone questioned his allignment)
3. Pancakemix - active (noone questioned his allignment)
4. MoB deadly - claimed vanilla Link (i believe him)
5. rds - claimed roleblocker/boomerang (i believe him)
6. Shieldgenerator7 - active, possibly scummy (people claim him to be scummy, i'm no too sure)
7.
8. Doomyoshi claimed Postman (Commuter) (VS and some others say he's innocent, others aren't sure. i'm not sure what to think)
9.
10. Victor Sullivan - claimed Ocarina (99% sure he's town)
11.
12. Spiesr - active after replacing naxus, not much to read (noone questioned his allignment)
13.
14.
15. Drunkmonkey - (noone questioned his allignment)
16. djfireside - inactive (noone questioned his allignment)
17.drake_259 basically claimed Epona (VS seems to trust him, i'm not sure. by claiming epona, he also basicly claims busdriver (if really epona, that'd be friendly). could it be he's same kind of mafia-alligned busdriver? has the busdriver be of any use for us yet?)
18. BGtheBrain claimed Great Fairy (pretty much proofed town-alligned because VS confirms his item is upgraded.)
19. epitaph - active (noone questioned his allignment)
20.
21. Dazza - claimed Navi (noone questioned his allignment)

this leaves:
PCM
SG7
Yoshi
Spiesr
Drunk
djfireside
epitaph

at least 1 of them (likely 2 or 3) are scum. i think it's better to look in this list then in the list of blue names.

personally i am not so sure SG7 is anti-town tho. but also have no proof that he is in fact pro-town.

i'll track down everyone who's not marked blue here.

[MoB Deadly]

There is a switch hook out there. Self-bus driving capabilities (unless upgraded I assume). I replaced freezie on D3 and was not given information if it was used on N1 or N2. I used it on N3, killing /

Started a missing role list off the top of my head

Town
Potion Link
Epona?

missing potion
missing switchhook

Mafia
wizzrobe
item thief

Third Party
Item Witch

[Victor Sullivan]

Drake is indeed Epona. We're masoned. Thus, why I know he's town.

-Sully

[drunkmonkey]

Drake is indeed Epona. We're masoned. Thus, why I know he's town.

-Sully

I thought that was pretty apparent. Not sure why someone who cleared you would be suspicious of drake.

[zimmah]

unvote

good enough for me

[zimmah]

after giving it some thought, i'll vote yoshi

reason:

yoshi will be lynched anyway if noone unvotes, and if yoshi and sg7 both speak the truth, it would be better to lose yoshi than to lose sg7, unless there is no way for sg7 to regain his potion. (at this point in time we are not sure who has the potion and we're not even sure if mafia, 3rd party or town has it), and we're not sure ether if the one who does have it can use it, it seems to me like only link can use items, but other persons can interact, like the item witch and the deku tree and the great fairy.

to prove my point: the deku tree died while holding shield which should have granted bulletproof abilities, apperantly only link would get bulletproof by holding it.

so if it's not any link holding the item (or maybe some mafia-aligned human/hylian or someone capable of actually using it) we're not even sure it can be used until any link has it.

so let's just assume mafia joined in on the bandwagon (or even starting one) let's see who voted:

yoshi (6) - epitaph, rds, bg, drunkmonk, mob, shield

we can rule out rds, bg and mob. as all of them seem quite clear. i'd say shield seems fine to me as well, so there's epitaph and drunk left. if i recall right, drunk confessed he's not link somewhere at the first pages. (with all the confusion about multiple links). now that doesn't mean he's automaticly a bad guy, but it might be a good idea to get him to claim. also, epitaph has been awfully silent and i suspect him to keep a low profile.

on previous occasions, epitaph has been noted for scummy voting patterns as well. and overall he's not very active. i'd say let's try to find out more about epitaph or drunk, instead of chasing two guys who are likely innocent.
anyway, i believe sg7 might have been doctor (unless anyone can prove he wasn't) by holding the potion before it got stolen. i see no point in joining the bandwagon against him, no matter how many townies voted him. unless someone proves me wrong. (i am a n00b after all).

in my opinion, yoshi would be a smaller loss to town then sg7, and i am not sure if i can start a case at this point in time, and i'm especially not sure if people will join my case even if i tried. but my best bet is that there's at least 1 (likely 2) mafia in the bandwagon against yoshi. there could also be some in the wagon against shield (only VS and Drake are 'confirmed' townies) dazza's vote seems especially scummy to me, asking for a votecount and just joining without adding anything serious to the case. now obviously asking for a votecount per se is not scummy at all, but asking for a votecount, then just joining one of the 2 bandwagons, seems scummy. not joining the biggest wagon just seems like WIFOM.

this whole situation is just quite confusing to me because i believe both players that are getting a lot of votes are not the bad guys.

[dazza2008]

Hey! I asked for the votecount then counted myself. I can count .

Why is my vote scummy? I have looked at the evidence on both cases and in my opinion sheild seems the scummiest. Someone pointed out why would Yoshi claim that role if it was not true? I also don't see where you are getting that sheild had the potion. Where was that? I must be missing something here.

If you can clear that up I will happily change my vote.

[zimmah]

Hey! I asked for the votecount then counted myself. I can count .

Why is my vote scummy? I have looked at the evidence on both cases and in my opinion sheild seems the scummiest. Someone pointed out why would Yoshi claim that role if it was not true? I also don't see where you are getting that sheild had the potion. Where was that? I must be missing something here.

If you can clear that up I will happily change my vote.

i assume he had it, because he claimed having an item (and the way i interpret it, he also softclaimed being link) so, it's likely that item is the potion. (who else would have it, if he doesn't?)

I don't think I found many scum leads during my read through, but I have some thoughts about flavor and game setup.
I find it interesting that the other link in the didn't have a sword or shield to combat with, so it might mean there was a possibility of him getting one, but of course he can't now since he's dead. And So Maple being able to switch objects makes sense. It probably also indicates that each link has an object of his own that he can use (I know I do) and I wonder whether these objects are one-time use or whether you can keep using them (like mine). It seems that you can keep using them until someone switches your object. I wonder which ability you can use on the night of the switching?

also, are you skimming? i was saying sg7 might have the item a few posts ago.

[dazza2008]

Listen! I was not skimming. I just hope your assumptions are correct. unvote vote doomyoshi

[MoB Deadly]

Just for the record, I don't like epitath, I had him FOSed based on vote patterns.

I think SG is item link, but I dont think hes necessarily potion link, we are missing a couple core items that are in almost every zelda game.
Bow and arrow
oh! bomb link, thats gotta go on my list
boots? (I am not sure, every game I played though there were special boots. Dash boots, hover boots, iron boots, not sure how that would apply to mafia though)


Also a note on DrunkMonkey, yes he is indeed not link, based upon early pages, but he was one of the forerunners on the Killboy lynching. Originally called him out, and he was one of the three that actually lynched him.

I would rather pursue PCM who was also surprised by multiple links, and didn't vote for killboy. I would say epitath is more scummy than pcm though

[zimmah]

Just for the record, I don't like epitath, I had him FOSed based on vote patterns.

I think SG is item link, but I dont think hes necessarily potion link, we are missing a couple core items that are in almost every zelda game.
Bow and arrow
oh! bomb link, thats gotta go on my list
boots? (I am not sure, every game I played though there were special boots. Dash boots, hover boots, iron boots, not sure how that would apply to mafia though)

doesn't matter what item link he is, assuming he's not dark link (if there is one) he's on our side. (also assuming he's not lying ofc. but i see no reason to believe he is lying)

Also a note on DrunkMonkey, yes he is indeed not link, based upon early pages, but he was one of the forerunners on the Killboy lynching. Originally called him out, and he was one of the three that actually lynched him.

valid point, it would be quite unlikely mafia would lynch their own members this early, if even at all

I would rather pursue PCM who was also surprised by multiple links, and didn't vote for killboy. I would say epitath is more scummy than pcm though

good points. let's get a case going on pcm/epitaph then? i prefer not lynching yoshi for the moment.

[drake_259]

just for the record, i was told VS was Link, i was never mentioned of any other names or any items either

well someone said epitaph was seemed townie earlier but i wasn't so sure on that either. i'm willing to try to go down epitaph route more.

Unvote Vote Epit

[pancakemix]

I would rather pursue PCM who was also surprised by multiple links, and didn't vote for killboy. I would say epitath is more scummy than pcm though

This is getting silly. I've already made my cases on both of these points multiple times. I'll claim if I have to but I won't like it.

Also, I though we had already reached lynch, unless I miscounted.

[drake_259]

meh so we have

[zimmah]

seems like we did indeed. let's see what happens now then.

[DoomYoshi]

Too bad I'm not a day commuter. That would be nice.

[drake_259]

Too bad I'm not a day commuter. That would be nice.

Taking that means he is indeed town lol

[zimmah]

Too bad I'm not a day commuter. That would be nice.

since youé basicly dead, anything to share with us? you'll still get a win when town wins, and there's nothing to lose for you now.