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[Neoteny]

I SEE A NIPPLE

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS' PUNISHMENT:

CASTRATION!

DOUBLE CASTRATION!!!


<bangs gavel loudly>

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Come on, guys. It's family nudity! It's all good when it's family nudity!

[Night Strike]

The Supreme Court has officially agreed to hear the case in the spring term, meaning we will have a decision no later than June.

If the Court rules that the mandate is Constitutional, the federal government will officially have the power to control anything about our lives that they want to control. Our freedoms as citizens and longevity of our nation are literally hanging in the balance.

[PLAYER57832]

The Supreme Court has officially agreed to hear the case in the spring term, meaning we will have a decision no later than June.

If the Court rules that the mandate is Constitutional, the federal government will officially have the power to control anything about our lives that they want to control. Our freedoms as citizens and longevity of our nation are literally hanging in the balance.

Oh, I get it now... providing healthcare for millions of healthy, working folks and thier kids is "anti the constitution", but YOU, telling thousands of women and families how to decide one of the most difficult and personal decisions they will ever face... is your perfect right, even though you cannot be bothered to even get clear the definitions and facts of the situations.

Yep.. we got it. Just don't try to claim Christ supports such hypocrisy!

[Night Strike]

The Supreme Court has officially agreed to hear the case in the spring term, meaning we will have a decision no later than June.

If the Court rules that the mandate is Constitutional, the federal government will officially have the power to control anything about our lives that they want to control. Our freedoms as citizens and longevity of our nation are literally hanging in the balance.

Oh, I get it now... providing healthcare for millions of healthy, working folks and thier kids is "anti the constitution", but YOU, telling thousands of women and families how to decide one of the most difficult and personal decisions they will ever face... is your perfect right, even though you cannot be bothered to even get clear the definitions and facts of the situations.

Yep.. we got it. Just don't try to claim Christ supports such hypocrisy!

Aren't you the person who always claims that Christ must stay out of anything related to the government?? If so, why are you trying to use Him to force the rest of us to allow the government to tell us what we can or cannot buy??

The government has absolutely no authority to tell us what to purchase simply because we breathe. Period.

This is what you don't get: tyranny starts with "helping others". Once you allow the government to overstep their boundaries based on the premise that they are "doing the right thing", they will then continue to usurp as much power as possible until the people are no longer free. This health care mandate is about freedom, not health care.

[PLAYER57832]

The Supreme Court has officially agreed to hear the case in the spring term, meaning we will have a decision no later than June.

If the Court rules that the mandate is Constitutional, the federal government will officially have the power to control anything about our lives that they want to control. Our freedoms as citizens and longevity of our nation are literally hanging in the balance.

Oh, I get it now... providing healthcare for millions of healthy, working folks and thier kids is "anti the constitution", but YOU, telling thousands of women and families how to decide one of the most difficult and personal decisions they will ever face... is your perfect right, even though you cannot be bothered to even get clear the definitions and facts of the situations.

Yep.. we got it. Just don't try to claim Christ supports such hypocrisy!

Aren't you the person who always claims that Christ must stay out of anything related to the government?? If so, why are you trying to use Him to force the rest of us to allow the government to tell us what we can or cannot buy??

True, but you referred to religion as reason to oppose abortion. I am pointing out your hypocrisy.

The government has absolutely no authority to tell us what to purchase simply because we breathe. Period.

This is what you don't get: tyranny starts with "helping others". Once you allow the government to overstep their boundaries based on the premise that they are "doing the right thing", they will then continue to usurp as much power as possible until the people are no longer free. This health care mandate is about freedom, not health care.

Uh. no. What you get is functioning roads, air traffic control, universal education, universal vaccinations... parks, clean water and air... etc, etc, etc.

Those things did not happen just because some nice business folks decided they could do without their mansions and would go ahead and freely provide all that and living wages besides. NOPE, it came because people marched and faught and demanded that the government institute some rules.

[rockfist]

I think I am going to grab a bag of popcorn for this discussion.

[Baron Von PWN]

Is anyone else impressed that scotty has a semi neutral poll up? I mean look at that, its got two degrees of support options a neutral option(sort-off, his neutral option is actually somewhat supportive) and two degrees of opposition.

Good work Scotty! if you keep going at this rate you may have decent non leading poll in another 4 or 5 years!

[Juan_Bottom]

The Supreme Court has officially agreed to hear the case in the spring term, meaning we will have a decision no later than June.

If the Court rules that the mandate is Constitutional, the federal government will officially have the power to control anything about our lives that they want to control. Our freedoms as citizens and longevity of our nation are literally hanging in the balance.

They already have the power. They do it all the time, so lets not kid ourselves. Our only check on this is to kill the f*ckers, ya know? Take the Whiskey Rebellion for example. The only way to maintain your rights it to protect them yourself.

[Aradhus]

The Supreme Court has officially agreed to hear the case in the spring term, meaning we will have a decision no later than June.

If the Court rules that the mandate is Constitutional, the federal government will officially have the power to control anything about our lives that they want to control. Our freedoms as citizens and longevity of our nation are literally hanging in the balance.

Cue spooky music. Hit the lights.

Boomboomboomboom, boomboomboomboom, Boomboomboomboom, boomboomboomboom

SHARIA LAW IS NOT COMING.

Boomboomboomboom, boomboomboomboom, Boomboomboomboom, boomboomboomboom

IT IS ALREADY HERE!

[Night Strike]

The government has absolutely no authority to tell us what to purchase simply because we breathe. Period.

This is what you don't get: tyranny starts with "helping others". Once you allow the government to overstep their boundaries based on the premise that they are "doing the right thing", they will then continue to usurp as much power as possible until the people are no longer free. This health care mandate is about freedom, not health care.

Uh. no. What you get is functioning roads, air traffic control, universal education, universal vaccinations... parks, clean water and air... etc, etc, etc.

Those things did not happen just because some nice business folks decided they could do without their mansions and would go ahead and freely provide all that and living wages besides. NOPE, it came because people marched and faught and demanded that the government institute some rules.

Only 2 of those things could be considered legitimate jobs of the federal government, with 1 other probably also a legitimate role (clean air and water, even though they have taken things WAY overboard). It doesn't really matter whether we get those other things, even if they are the best things in the world. If they are not powers granted in the Constitution, then our federal government has exactly zero authority to do them. It's quite simple, so I don't see why you and so many other can't grasp it.

Actually, I do know the answer. It's because the rest of us are too stupid to make our own decisions and have to have the government take care of everything we need (or they think we need).

[PLAYER57832]

Actually, I do know the answer. It's because the rest of us are too stupid to make our own decisions and have to have the government take care of everything we need (or they think we need).

Well... if the shoe fits.

[BigBallinStalin]

Let's keep the thread more like last page and its last 4 posts.

[john9blue]

sometimes i'm guilty of being excessively idealistic and ignoring reality.

player's the only person i've met that is excessively realistic and ignores ideas.

[PLAYER57832]

sometimes i'm guilty of being excessively idealistic and ignoring reality.

player's the only person i've met that is excessively realistic and ignores ideas.

lol.....lol...lol

[Phatscotty]

Don't Buy Stuff You Cannot Afford - a 1 page book!

[BigBallinStalin]

I think the sentence in the title pretty much covered it.

[Phatscotty]

I think the sentence in the title pretty much covered it.

this one?

The Efficiency of the Court System combined with the Compassion of the IRS

[Night Strike]

The sad thing is that the Supreme Court does not have the power to be the ultimate decider of what is or is not Constitutional. They are 9 unelected people that rule the nation based on what they feel like deciding. They make decisions on case law instead of the actual Constitution. Every single elected official takes an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, so this law should have never even passed. Every single piece of legislation should follow the Constitution and should never even need the Supreme Court to decide whether or not it does.

[pimpdave]

The sad thing is that the Supreme Court does not have the power to be the ultimate decider of what is or is not Constitutional. They are 9 unelected people that rule the nation based on what they feel like deciding.

Yeah guys, the Supreme Court rules the nation, according to Night Strike. THEY RULE IT!

[Night Strike]

The sad thing is that the Supreme Court does not have the power to be the ultimate decider of what is or is not Constitutional. They are 9 unelected people that rule the nation based on what they feel like deciding.

Yeah guys, the Supreme Court rules the nation, according to Night Strike. THEY RULE IT!

When legislation is passed, everyone is hesitant to do anything about it because they are forced to wait for the Supreme Court to determine its Constitutionality. That's not how our country was designed.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yeah, let's do away with those slow checks and balances! Things oughta be stream-lined with a Christian Monarch!

[Juan_Bottom]

NS is talking about the Federal Government in theory versus the Federal Government in practice. And he's right, but kind of not. After the Civil War was lost by the Southerners, the role of the Federal Government has been assured to be a stronger one. They just haven't gone through the rig-amoral of adding that to the Constitution. Anyway, our government was designed, and intended to change. If we went back to the rules our early nation was governed by then we'd be making a huge mistake. For example, towns that had less than 50 houses wouldn't be required to send their children to school. Maybe that's not a fair example, because I know a lot of Conservatives are against the Department of Education and against education and science in general anyway. Perhaps that's because most Conservatives were never properly educated themselves. . . er, . . what was my point again?

Oh yes,
Our American forefathers were, at the time, arguably the most educated populous in the world. We had public schools in 1635, by 1637 education was no longer optional for those kids in towns with 50 households or more. Partly the reason American's had such strong resentment of the British was the fact that the colony's had created for themselves the most literate population in the British empire. In fact, they were probably the most literate in the world.
George Washington said "There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness." And the Roman slave turned Philosopher, Epictetus, pleaded "We must not believe the many, who say that only free people ought to be educated, but we should rather believe the philosophers who say that only the educated are free."
Today of course, America is populated by 40 million barely literate adults, and when compared with the resto of the modernized world our students repeatedly rank in the bottom for understanding of algebra, chemistry, science, and literacy. Though despite this two-thirds of American students say that they "are good at mathematics." Our media devotes more time to Hollywood "scandals" like Michal Jackson's doctor's trial than to even President Obama's speeches. It's no wonder Pedronicus thinks Americans are f*cked in the head. We are. We have retarded debates like this one because we have dumbed ourselves down so much. And this, Epictetus had alluded to, "only the educated are free." Here we have a good opportunity to help ourselves and save a great deal of capital in the process. And instead, we politicize the issue, we allow politicians on both sides to destroy Socialized medicine's great benefits, we listen without a skeptical ear, and we hide behind the Constitution. These idiots are f*cking things up or the rest of us. We're enslaving ourselves by not properly educating ourselves, or each other.

"American's have no interest in critical or skeptical thinking, and they have no sense of reasoning."

[PLAYER57832]

NS is talking about the Federal Government in theory versus the Federal Government in practice. And he's right, but kind of not. After the Civil War was lost by the Southerners, the role of the Federal Government has been assured to be a stronger one. They just haven't gone through the rig-amoral of adding that to the Constitution. Anyway, our government was designed, and intended to change. If we went back to the rules our early nation was governed by then we'd be making a huge mistake. For example, towns that had less than 50 houses wouldn't be required to send their children to school. Maybe that's not a fair example, because I know a lot of Conservatives are against the Department of Education and against education and science in general anyway. Perhaps that's because most Conservatives were never properly educated themselves. . . er, . . what was my point again?

Oh yes,
Our American forefathers were, at the time, arguably the most educated populous in the world. We had public schools in 1635, by 1637 education was no longer optional for those kids in towns with 50 households or more. Partly the reason American's had such strong resentment of the British was the fact that the colony's had created for themselves the most literate population in the British empire. In fact, they were probably the most literate in the world.
George Washington said "There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness." And the Roman slave turned Philosopher, Epictetus, pleaded "We must not believe the many, who say that only free people ought to be educated, but we should rather believe the philosophers who say that only the educated are free."
Today of course, America is populated by 40 million barely literate adults, and when compared with the resto of the modernized world our students repeatedly rank in the bottom for understanding of algebra, chemistry, science, and literacy. Though despite this two-thirds of American students say that they "are good at mathematics." Our media devotes more time to Hollywood "scandals" like Michal Jackson's doctor's trial than to even President Obama's speeches. It's no wonder Pedronicus thinks Americans are f*cked in the head. We are. We have retarded debates like this one because we have dumbed ourselves down so much. And this, Epictetus had alluded to, "only the educated are free." Here we have a good opportunity to help ourselves and save a great deal of capital in the process. And instead, we politicize the issue, we allow politicians on both sides to destroy Socialized medicine's great benefits, we listen without a skeptical ear, and we hide behind the Constitution. These idiots are f*cking things up or the rest of us. We're enslaving ourselves by not properly educating ourselves, or each other.

"American's have no interest in critical or skeptical thinking, and they have no sense of reasoning."

which is why the new conservative's first attack has been on public schools.

Tell people they are "forcing" kids to learn things that are "objectionable"... move to defund, remove any real teaching outside the very basics under the illusion of "advancing standards"... point out all the negatives that of course exist in any large and diverse system, but highlight positives only in "alternative schools" (magnets, etc.) and voila... we are now facing intentional erosion of the public school system.. soon to be followed (or more like paired with) by loss of democracy/ a true republic.

[PLAYER57832]

Yeah, let's do away with those slow checks and balances! Things oughta be stream-lined with a Christian Monarch!

Not "Christian".. very right wing.