The SquirrelMasters' Quest (25/25) Night 1~A quick getaway

[ghostly447]

Attack spiesr for the reasons posted by Zimmah here: by zimmah on Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:48 am (im not one to usually let people speak for me, but honestly I think he caught spiesr in a couple of good spots where there was only one word to catch!).

FOS on General - Already had this brought up for an entire page or two. I think the reasoning is clear enough.

Though I do have some more thoughts, they aren't going to be discussed until I see 1. Who is lynched and 2. What their role was.

Though this is my 1st or 2nd game (started 2 in 1 day ) of this major mafia play (never met people quite so good at catching things, etc), I do have my thoughts. Currently I have a list of 3 major players who went against the general, and a couple that jumped on the bandwagon immediately.

Now this is just a little bit of high lights I have gathered. No FOS are going to be thrown down on any of these players, but I hope to try to link together 3-4 players at a time and track their actions.

by zimmah on Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:00 pm - Zimmah defends VS

Then there is VS who started going on thegeneral. This is a normal move, jokevote and see the reaction. And thegeneral did show quite a reaction.

Then of course Doomyoshi who also went against thegeneral.

Now after thegeneral had been tried for a day and a half or so, not only did zimmah catch another slip (this time by spiesr), but Haggis began to go back at thegeneral (It was a rather long message at by Haggis_McMutton on Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:56 am, so it may be a coincidence considering there was only 10 minutes between it and the previous post). Then, using by DoomYoshi on Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:14 am, DoomYoshi sided with Zimmah again.


Now, once again, I am going off of messages posted, etc, that I saw. I realize the connection between Zimmah and DoomYoshi could be just catching scum (as they are really the main questioners at this point in the game). I have no FOS set right now, except for Spiesr (who has my attack set on him) and thegeneral (who showed signs that zimmah and Doom, and VS, and so many others caught onto).

Now that I wrote that, its time to sit back and watch for a couple posts and see some reactions.

I would also like to note that anyone who hasnt posted yet is going to be a suspect in my head.

[ghostly447]

on another side note, in this quote by zimmah on Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:39 am, DoomYoshi is attempting to defend spiesr, but if I remember correctly, went back and unsided.

[safariguy5]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=45

His original idea for the game came from Post 41.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=41

And his separate thread for announcing the game is here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 9&t=154420


So I don't know for sure if the adventurers gain more abilities by killing monsters, but the possibility is there.

So no, I don't think spiesr or I dropped scum tells, speculation of a new type of game setup is nothing new and not scummy.

But I think it's interesting which people immediately abandoned thegeneral case, (which I think is much more compelling) and headed straight for spiesr and me.

FOS zimmah, ghostly and MoB for trying to divert attention away from the main case. I want to hear a claim before we move on to someone else.

And seriously people, research is your best friend.

[DoomYoshi]

You should not vote spiesr. He knows a lot about the setup in general. I am pretty sure he is town.

wait what?

he knows a lot about the setup, (probably more then we) ánd you're pretty sure is town?

there's so much wrong with this statement:

1) how are you 'pretty sure' he's town. Masoned? or in a scummy way?

2) How do you know he would know more about the setup then anyone else?

seriously, this post makes no sense to me. (and last time your posts made no sense, you was a like-like)

i'm not sure what the whole vip thing is about, but the opening post of this topic:

The 'town' faction will be played by the forces of evil seeking to destroy our heroes. They will be led by a single dark figure, who, should he die, will almost assuredly lead to the defeat of the town at large.

i think that's what you mean by VIP. Altho i'm not convinced the entire town instantly dies if the VIP dies.

also, we weren't even planning on a speedlynch on spiesr, we just wanted to apply some pressure and hope for more 'tells' i believe your post could be a strong tell.

you're defending spiesr even before he needs defending, because you probably realised it'd be likely he'd get pressured to L-2 or so, and you wanted to prevent that, but unfortunatly for you, you have drawn suspicion to yourself as well now.

does anyone agree with my tought patterns or am i wrong?

You are wrong. I clearly retracted my statement in the second post.

[MoB Deadly]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=45

His original idea for the game came from Post 41.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=41

And his separate thread for announcing the game is here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 9&t=154420


So I don't know for sure if the adventurers gain more abilities by killing monsters, but the possibility is there.

So no, I don't think spiesr or I dropped scum tells, speculation of a new type of game setup is nothing new and not scummy.

But I think it's interesting which people immediately abandoned thegeneral case, (which I think is much more compelling) and headed straight for spiesr and me.

FOS zimmah, ghostly and MoB for trying to divert attention away from the main case. I want to hear a claim before we move on to someone else.

And seriously people, research is your best friend.

General did the same thing in "Soundmans first mafia" he plays like an asshole, hes like "The Dibbun" when he played his first game lol. He thinks what he thinks is 100% right and no one else can even have an opinion. I just see it as the way it is, and I was looking for other scum tells.

As for the leveling up and loot, Okay thank you for posting the links now I understand where you got that info from.

Fastposted by Doom

[Victor Sullivan]

Hm, interesting point on spiesr. Damn, how lucky are we to get two cases Day 1?

PQR spiesr

-Sully

[spiesr]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=45
His original idea for the game came from Post 41.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=41

Interesting, do you think that the hitpoint mechanic made it into this game and Squirrel simply didn't list it among the so that it would be a surprise to those not having night attacks, or that it got scrapped when the game idea was fleshed out?

Anyhow I would hazard a guess that most of the possible player character roles had more than one trait associated with them.

in my ears that sounds like you have seen the list of possible player roles, which would mean you'd be one of the 4, because if i remember correctly those 4 were allowed to pick their role from a list.

Not sure how you are coming to this conclusion based on my bit of speculation here. Let me see if I can follow the chain of events:
1. / starts speculating about what powers the player characters may have and encourages others to join in this speculation.
2. I make some speculation and include a line where I mention my thought that the roles the scum have may go beyond simply being a roleblocker, doc, or whatever.
3. You somehow conclude that in order for me to theorize this I must have seen the list of potential PC roles.
4. ???
5. Profit

I think you may seeing things that just don't exist in that one particular line from my post. All that I did was make some speculation as too the make-up of the scum party. All my thoughts on the matter have been derived from information that is common knowledge.

The mafia faction will have a huge array of skills and powers at their disposal to vanquish the evil that resides in the mountain village.

For example this line taken from the first post of this thread. Now the way I see it, there are a couple of meanings that can be taken from it. The first is the the "huge array of powers at their disposal" refers to the 16 different roles that the group could have selected. The second meaning is that during game play the group will have more powers than a normal groups of 4 power roles would have.

The town faction, on the whole, will not have the same huge repertoire of skills that the scum do and must rely on their superior numbers and hunting abilities to track down the heroes. There will be no vanilla townies, but not all players will have night actions.

Also note this other line from the same post. It implies that the town won't have the same level of abilities that the PC group does. Since the game is non-vanilla I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that the town has something resembling the normal array of cops, docs, roleblockers, and whatever else you would expect in a game this size. Now, from this I draw the conclusion that in order for the scum group to have a wider range of powers than the town, they must have something beyond 4 standard power roles.
Anyhow, I are sorry that I didn't explain my logic a little better at first time and we ended up with all this confusion. (Although I wouldn't have guess that that level of explanation was required for setup speculation.)

[Rodion]

Un-attack my joke attack.

It's pretty hard to speculate mafia power roles in a game like this. Personally, I have a feeling they could all be JOATs (though with varying 1-shot abilities) since they have "a huge array of skills and powers at their disposal" (Squirrel in the OP). I especially dread any strongman, watcher and busdriver powers they might have.

Anyway, I don't yet feel Spiesr and Safari cases. They've both speculated and we have no evidence that their speculations are even correct, let alone that they have inside info on the game (Safari has also satisfactorily explained the source of his speculation).

I'm not sure General has acted scummy (I'd really like to see him flip in at least one game before I can conclude whether the no-lynch/surrender strategy is really what he honestly thinks to be the best or whether that's bogus), so I think my attack is going to wait until I see an actual tell from anyone.

[zimmah]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=45

His original idea for the game came from Post 41.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=41

And his separate thread for announcing the game is here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 9&t=154420


So I don't know for sure if the adventurers gain more abilities by killing monsters, but the possibility is there.

So no, I don't think spiesr or I dropped scum tells, speculation of a new type of game setup is nothing new and not scummy.

But I think it's interesting which people immediately abandoned thegeneral case, (which I think is much more compelling) and headed straight for spiesr and me.

FOS zimmah, ghostly and MoB for trying to divert attention away from the main case. I want to hear a claim before we move on to someone else.

And seriously people, research is your best friend.

really scummy Safari.

First of all, all those all really are game concepts, and Squirrel likely has refined them a lot, there's no telling what exactly he changed and what he added or removed.

Secondly, you and (especially) spiesr weren't openly speculating setups, if you read my quote carefully, i was assuming he knew something by the tone and word choice of his post not even by what he actually was trying to say. remember that reading "in between the lines" tells you more then what someone actually is saying. it's a really strong psychological tell that may be left behind while being unaware you ever left anything behind at all. the more you are defending it, the more tells you give, (either positive or negative ones) so we should get a quite clear image of if you're lying or not.

Third, by trying to cover up the possible slipup of spiesr and pointing us at old posts that may not even have much value anymore, and not even realising i wasn't suspecting him exactly for what he said, but for how he said it, i'm starting to believe that you're trying to steer attention away, so you're doing what you're accusing me of, steering away attention from a good day 1 case.

Fourth, the case on the general was bleeding to dead anyway and it was just a weak day 1 case at best, besides, i clearly stated that i believed the general was just being a total n00b and being annoying, and not really much more. even though he could be scum, he's probably just an annoying townie, and i believe it's better to attempt to find scum then to speedlynch a townie. and even IF he's scum, it doesn't hurt to discuss. so why are you actually trying to mess up a case here safari?

Fifth, Discussion is a good thing on day 1, suspecting 3 people just because they're trying to bring up good day 1 cases and you're actively trying to paint those 3 guys as scum, possibly trying to rely on your experience to win eventual discusions between you and your targets, just screams scum to me.

Sixth, i wasn't even vouching for a lynch yet, i was just looking to pressurize some people that allready MAY have dropped clues, to try and make them (or their scummates) drop even more clues. Considering it's just day 1 still, i think we are allready onto something here.

all in all, i find your post very scummy, and not just cuz you FOSsed me (ye, you can mark this as OMGUS, but before you're going to throw OMGUS out, let's get real and see whos omgussing who, i don't wanna sound hipster here, but i suspected you before suspecting you was cool:

it may be a scumtell, but i'm not so certain (also i'm not certain of the one i thought to see in spiesr, i just thought it would be a possibility and certainly made me more careful of spiesr, not saying he's 100% definite scum). for the same reason we should be careful about safari as well, it may be a slipup, it may just be he remembered an older post that may or may not have existed. that being said, i would not mind putting a little pressure on either of them.

and spiesr, it wasn't the actual 'speculation' you did, it was the wording you used that ringed the alarm bells. yes, i may be wrong, but don't think it hurts to see how you react to pressure.

if you don't trust me, i strongly encourage you to use any investigative or tracking abilities on me.

but spiesr i think your explanation DOES make sense, still, safari is going all the way defending you, and not doing a good job at it either.

[Victor Sullivan]

un-attack = retreat ?

-Sully

[spiesr]

First of all, all those all really are game concepts, and Squirrel likely has refined them a lot, there's no telling what exactly he changed and what he added or removed.

While they may only be concepts, they are concepts for this game. The actual game may not exactly match them, but if we are speculating they are a valid point of reference.

Secondly, you and (especially) spiesr weren't openly speculating setups, if you read my quote carefully, i was assuming he knew something by the tone and word choice of his post not even by what he actually was trying to say. remember that reading "in between the lines" tells you more then what someone actually is saying. it's a really strong psychological tell that may be left behind while being unaware you ever left anything behind at all. the more you are defending it, the more tells you give, (either positive or negative ones) so we should get a quite clear image of if you're lying or not.

Okay, looking back at this post where you sort of explained this idea I see that you are assuming based on the wording of my statement that I subconsciously let it slip that Mr. Squirrel split the list of potential role in four different sections, gave each player a different section, and had them pick their role from the small section and that I saw one of these section because I am one of those four.
I don't even really know how to respond to something like that, beyond to say that it sounds like a sort of ridiculous assumption.

Fifth, Discussion is a good thing on day 1, suspecting 3 people just because they're trying to bring up good day 1 cases and you're actively trying to paint those 3 guys as scum, possibly trying to rely on your experience to win eventual discusions between you and your targets, just screams scum to me.

I suppose this could go either way. On one hand you could says that Safari is trying to stifle discussion with his FOS, on the other you could say that his FOS creates new discussion by placing new accusations on different people.

[safariguy5]

I'm not saying you're wrong in believing what you do zimmah, but honestly, I'm not feeling your case on either spiesr or me. Believe whatever you want, but I really believe that we should hear a claim on thegeneral mainly because of his apparent inability to explain why he wants to straight no lynch and his general extreme defensiveness at being pressured for an explanation.

If you want to come back to this later, fine, but I'm just stating for the record that speculating the setup is not scummy in my book, especially if we're playing a new setup that nobody has done before. Just look at Rolegift Mafia, there was rampant speculation about what roles mafia may have. Or even Sweeney Todd Mafia where I spent most of the game speculating at roles.

I can see how you're going on record to say that you think thegeneral is a noob, although he states that he is not, and therefore are eager to seek another case, but in the book of classic scumtells, immediate no lynch day 1 and hyperdefensive behavior are waay scummier tells than game spec. Especially if there is some basis for speculating at certain mechanics.

@ spiesr, whether or not the hitpoint system or the loot system made it into the game I am not sure, but as town, we're really not going to know either way. I bring them up partly in case we have nights were nobody died or something atypical of early game progression.

[zimmah]

First of all, all those all really are game concepts, and Squirrel likely has refined them a lot, there's no telling what exactly he changed and what he added or removed.

While they may only be concepts, they are concepts for this game. The actual game may not exactly match them, but if we are speculating they are a valid point of reference.

Secondly, you and (especially) spiesr weren't openly speculating setups, if you read my quote carefully, i was assuming he knew something by the tone and word choice of his post not even by what he actually was trying to say. remember that reading "in between the lines" tells you more then what someone actually is saying. it's a really strong psychological tell that may be left behind while being unaware you ever left anything behind at all. the more you are defending it, the more tells you give, (either positive or negative ones) so we should get a quite clear image of if you're lying or not.

Okay, looking back at this post where you sort of explained this idea I see that you are assuming based on the wording of my statement that I subconsciously let it slip that Mr. Squirrel split the list of potential role in four different sections, gave each player a different section, and had them pick their role from the small section and that I saw one of these section because I am one of those four.
I don't even really know how to respond to something like that, beyond to say that it sounds like a sort of ridiculous assumption.

Fifth, Discussion is a good thing on day 1, suspecting 3 people just because they're trying to bring up good day 1 cases and you're actively trying to paint those 3 guys as scum, possibly trying to rely on your experience to win eventual discusions between you and your targets, just screams scum to me.

I suppose this could go either way. On one hand you could says that Safari is trying to stifle discussion with his FOS, on the other you could say that his FOS creates new discussion by placing new accusations on different people.

except for the fact his reason of suspecting me are because i'm suspecting you, so suspecting anyone except general is wrong, yet he suspects me, and mob and ghost. but hey, i may not suspect him either. because he's not acusing me of something he's doing himself too, i'm just plain wrong and inexperience and not seeing that what i am doing is way different then what safari is doing, right?

measuring with 2 measures much?

[safariguy5]

First of all, all those all really are game concepts, and Squirrel likely has refined them a lot, there's no telling what exactly he changed and what he added or removed.

While they may only be concepts, they are concepts for this game. The actual game may not exactly match them, but if we are speculating they are a valid point of reference.

Secondly, you and (especially) spiesr weren't openly speculating setups, if you read my quote carefully, i was assuming he knew something by the tone and word choice of his post not even by what he actually was trying to say. remember that reading "in between the lines" tells you more then what someone actually is saying. it's a really strong psychological tell that may be left behind while being unaware you ever left anything behind at all. the more you are defending it, the more tells you give, (either positive or negative ones) so we should get a quite clear image of if you're lying or not.

Okay, looking back at this post where you sort of explained this idea I see that you are assuming based on the wording of my statement that I subconsciously let it slip that Mr. Squirrel split the list of potential role in four different sections, gave each player a different section, and had them pick their role from the small section and that I saw one of these section because I am one of those four.
I don't even really know how to respond to something like that, beyond to say that it sounds like a sort of ridiculous assumption.

Fifth, Discussion is a good thing on day 1, suspecting 3 people just because they're trying to bring up good day 1 cases and you're actively trying to paint those 3 guys as scum, possibly trying to rely on your experience to win eventual discusions between you and your targets, just screams scum to me.

I suppose this could go either way. On one hand you could says that Safari is trying to stifle discussion with his FOS, on the other you could say that his FOS creates new discussion by placing new accusations on different people.

except for the fact his reason of suspecting me are because i'm suspecting you, so suspecting anyone except general is wrong, yet he suspects me, and mob and ghost. but hey, i may not suspect him either. because he's not acusing me of something he's doing himself too, i'm just plain wrong and inexperience and not seeing that what i am doing is way different then what safari is doing, right?

measuring with 2 measures much?

Go back and read what I'm FOSing you guys for. It's not because you're suspecting spiesr, it's because you're diverting attention away from the current case. We need to decide either that we want to pressure a claim from the general or we don't because he has put up a good defense. I personally don't believe he has put up a good defense, but I think you're taking a rather innocuous post and then trumping it up as a major scumtell to try and split some pressure away from thegeneral. Which is really just an underhanded way of trying to save him. Really, if you diverted pressure away to anyone, I probably would have FOSed you too. One case up for pressure at a time.

[zimmah]

I'm not saying you're wrong in believing what you do zimmah, but honestly, I'm not feeling your case on either spiesr or me. Believe whatever you want, but I really believe that we should hear a claim on thegeneral mainly because of his apparent inability to explain why he wants to straight no lynch and his general extreme defensiveness at being pressured for an explanation.

If you want to come back to this later, fine, but I'm just stating for the record that speculating the setup is not scummy in my book, especially if we're playing a new setup that nobody has done before. Just look at Rolegift Mafia, there was rampant speculation about what roles mafia may have. Or even Sweeney Todd Mafia where I spent most of the game speculating at roles.

I can see how you're going on record to say that you think thegeneral is a noob, although he states that he is not, and therefore are eager to seek another case, but in the book of classic scumtells, immediate no lynch day 1 and hyperdefensive behavior are waay scummier tells than game spec. Especially if there is some basis for speculating at certain mechanics.

@ spiesr, whether or not the hitpoint system or the loot system made it into the game I am not sure, but as town, we're really not going to know either way. I bring them up partly in case we have nights were nobody died or something atypical of early game progression.

somehow i didn't see this post before posting my last post, i never claimed talking about the game dynamics was scummy, in fact, i even did it myself, however there's a subtle difference in assuming and knowing. Also, in spiesrs case it sounded to me like he wasn't speculating at all. i allready said a lot of times that it is a weak case (but it's still day 1) and i may be wrong.

as for the general, his behavoir was very childish (altho he seems to be improving) and a common trait of childish behavoir is thinking you're pro, no matter how noob you are. he could say a 1000 times he's good at mafia, facts will show you he has still much to learn (and so do i, probably). yes, he may have prior experience on other websites, but that experience is only worth so much, because the community he came from seems to have way different standards, or he was just ignorant and the community just banned him or something and he didn't learn anything from his mistakes there. (just an option, not trying to insult anyone here)

but as it's still day 1 i'm willing to attack anyone till they are crying in a corner just to interrogate them a little, and besides, if i'm not mistaken, i'm STILL attacking general, and i was one of the first to do so. so, why did you say again that i was trying to steer away attention? if i truly was steering away attention, wouldn't i stop attacking first?

no, i'm actually trying to get some action going as noone is really attacking, everyone is just sitting on their own tables having a chat with their little groups of friends and watching the fight. if those people keep drinking, we need to attack them a bit before the whole bunch of them gets too drunk to attack.

fastposted, but doesn't matter much, i allready said it was never my intention to divirt attention, i WANT to get someone attacked and i WANT more information, i just don't NECESSARILY need it to be one specific person, unlike some people do.

and i believe i allready stated that i am not aware of any players alignment, aside from my own. (so defending specific players for any other reason then to defend people from false accusions and scummy bandwagons is impossible, because i wouldn't know who to protect any more then anyone else does) i am from the village. i am not sure how long i have lived in the village tho, because my role pm does not talk about that and some details in there which i will obviously not (yet) reveal suggest i might have been a wanderer or traveler before. somewhere in this treat is also a tiny hint about my character, but i will not state where, when or what that is, all i can say is that i am on the side that wants those 4 strangers gone, the one and only town faction.

[chapcrap]

spiesr and saf did not act scummy by speculating what may possibly be ahead of us. I don't find the semantics incriminating either.

I think it's odd that zimmah jumped on them so much and not on /, who started the speculation.

I think it's more odd that TheGeneral2112 has been quiet for so long when he was so vocal earlier. Especially when there were questions pointed at him and much discussion about him.

Also, the continual talking about General being a noob is silly. He says himself that he is not a noob. And the slang that he has used proves as much. You can't throw away his actions as a new player not knowing what he's doing.

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[zimmah]

spiesr and saf did not act scummy by speculating what may possibly be ahead of us. I don't find the semantics incriminating either.

I think it's odd that zimmah jumped on them so much and not on /, who started the speculation.

I think it's more odd that TheGeneral2112 has been quiet for so long when he was so vocal earlier. Especially when there were questions pointed at him and much discussion about him.

Also, the continual talking about General being a noob is silly. He says himself that he is not a noob. And the slang that he has used proves as much. You can't throw away his actions as a new player not knowing what he's doing.

FASTPOSTED

quit skimming, how many more times do i have to say that i wasn't suspecting them because of speculating.

besides saf

Really, if you diverted pressure away to anyone, I probably would have FOSed you too. One case up for pressure at a time.

you allready forgot you actually FOS'd me? and One case at a time, fossing 3 people at a time, and forgetting who you fossed a few hours later, doesn't really add up. what are you doing saf?

[drunkmonkey]

I was torn on whether TheGeneral was stubborn or scummy, but his latest (lack of) actions have swayed me. He wasn't just active after being accused, he was hyper-active, continuously double- and triple-posting his defenses. Then focus shifted off of him, and he's been silent ever since. About 30 hours now since we've heard a word from him, and he's made posts in other forums in that time period. Sure, he'll probably come back and say he was just "reading, not voting", but that can't fly.

Attack TheGeneral

[zimmah]

attack the general just to be sure, i'm not sure who i am attacking atm.

[safariguy5]

spiesr and saf did not act scummy by speculating what may possibly be ahead of us. I don't find the semantics incriminating either.

I think it's odd that zimmah jumped on them so much and not on /, who started the speculation.

I think it's more odd that TheGeneral2112 has been quiet for so long when he was so vocal earlier. Especially when there were questions pointed at him and much discussion about him.

Also, the continual talking about General being a noob is silly. He says himself that he is not a noob. And the slang that he has used proves as much. You can't throw away his actions as a new player not knowing what he's doing.

FASTPOSTED

quit skimming, how many more times do i have to say that i wasn't suspecting them because of speculating.

besides saf

Really, if you diverted pressure away to anyone, I probably would have FOSed you too. One case up for pressure at a time.

you allready forgot you actually FOS'd me? and One case at a time, fossing 3 people at a time, and forgetting who you fossed a few hours later, doesn't really add up. what are you doing saf?

You misinterpreted what I said, I said that if you had attacked anyone besides spiesr, I would have FOSed you for the same reason. I'm not tying myself to defending spiesr, I'm trying to keep the pressure from getting split before we resolve the first case. But if you read what he said as not speculating but knowing the setup, then that's really a matter of linguistics to me.

As for still pressuring theGeneral, I though you switched votes onto spiesr? Have to see a VC first.

FASTPOSTED.

Ok question answered.

[zimmah]

spiesr and saf did not act scummy by speculating what may possibly be ahead of us. I don't find the semantics incriminating either.

I think it's odd that zimmah jumped on them so much and not on /, who started the speculation.

I think it's more odd that TheGeneral2112 has been quiet for so long when he was so vocal earlier. Especially when there were questions pointed at him and much discussion about him.

Also, the continual talking about General being a noob is silly. He says himself that he is not a noob. And the slang that he has used proves as much. You can't throw away his actions as a new player not knowing what he's doing.

FASTPOSTED

quit skimming, how many more times do i have to say that i wasn't suspecting them because of speculating.

besides saf

Really, if you diverted pressure away to anyone, I probably would have FOSed you too. One case up for pressure at a time.

you allready forgot you actually FOS'd me? and One case at a time, fossing 3 people at a time, and forgetting who you fossed a few hours later, doesn't really add up. what are you doing saf?

You misinterpreted what I said, I said that if you had attacked anyone besides spiesr, I would have FOSed you for the same reason. I'm not tying myself to defending spiesr, I'm trying to keep the pressure from getting split before we resolve the first case. But if you read what he said as not speculating but knowing the setup, then that's really a matter of linguistics to me.

As for still pressuring theGeneral, I though you switched votes onto spiesr? Have to see a VC first.

FASTPOSTED.

Ok question answered.

in real life, especially with people i have known for a while, i'm quite skilled at reading lies though 'reading between the lines' but on paper it's harder and especially because english is not everyones native language, so they may use other wordings then they actually mean, and besides, english is not my native language either. however, i'm still trying to read between the lines and it sometimes does work. so i do realize it's not a failproof method by far, but since it has proven it's use a dozen of times in real life, it doesn't hurt to try it in game.

i never attacked spiesr btw, but i did attack VS for the same reason i attacked the general, VS is more experience on CC mafia, so VS should know better then to surrender, yet he did. (altho i believe he did vote now, he did surrender quite early, however he never really got much attention unlike general)

[spiesr]

i never attacked spiesr btw, but i did attack VS for the same reason i attacked the general, VS is more experience on CC mafia, so VS should know better then to surrender, yet he did. (altho i believe he did vote now, he did surrender quite early, however he never really got much attention unlike general)

We may have discovered a potential issue with the use of Attack to mean Vote. While Zimmah may not have have Attacked me in the sense of cast a vote, it would be hard to argue that his sort of case on me did not constitute an attack of some form. Accordingly a confusion in created.

[TheGeneral2112]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=45

His original idea for the game came from Post 41.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&start=41

And his separate thread for announcing the game is here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 9&t=154420


So I don't know for sure if the adventurers gain more abilities by killing monsters, but the possibility is there.

So no, I don't think spiesr or I dropped scum tells, speculation of a new type of game setup is nothing new and not scummy.

But I think it's interesting which people immediately abandoned thegeneral case, (which I think is much more compelling) and headed straight for spiesr and me.

FOS zimmah, ghostly and MoB for trying to divert attention away from the main case. I want to hear a claim before we move on to someone else.

And seriously people, research is your best friend.

1. Scum tend to phrase things like this. Scum would defend their scumbuddy. Town would wonder is spiesr is scum. You don't wonder at all and immediately shift attention away from the subject.

2. Scum tend to be overly concerned with their own well being. As a result, they do a lot of research in their defense.

3. Scum tend to give information away that can't be proven. Why can't it be proven? Because town doesn't know about it.

4. Scum tend to divert attention away from themselves.

For everyone else who is wondering, yes, I am lurking. That is the way I play. I lurk until I see something and then I attack. Not sure if this is enough to get my attack, just wanted to point it out.

[ghostly447]

Okay, I have a couple thoughts.

TheGeneral is definitely high on my scum ratings for a couple reasons. He went from way high activity, to low activity as soon as he was "in the clear" from immediate threat. Plus he has weak spots in his arguments.

spiesr because of the reasons I have has in my recent posts.

Now, since thats done. I can see both sides of the argument. I dont think Safariguy is mafia, but I can see zimmahs reasons in going directly from player to player interrogating. More leads, easier, quicker game.

This is a long first day O.o

[Victor Sullivan]

zimmah - it's called a joke vote. I in no way tried to persuade people to surrender. It was my first post! How could I be voting seriously at that stage in the game?

-Sully