Eurasia Map [Old thread]

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:30 pm

The Bison King wrote:Hmm.... I think I like this. However I really think that the middle East needs a shared territory as well, for consistency sake. Right now it's the only Mega region without a shared territory. How about... Israel?

I've considered it... However, from a gameplay perspective, I'm not sure if it's a wise move? Both regions (Arabia & Mid East) are quite large, and aren't too easy to hold, so I'm not sure if they need the additional disadvantage?

Anyway, if it's necessary to have a shared territory there, I think Iraq would be the best choice... but I'm still not sure if it is.

The Bison King wrote:Also I like South Nei Mongolia alot, but shouldn't the bonus be split between east China and... Mongolia?

Well that's what I thought at first, but then I'm not sure if it makes sense... the area has historically been under Mongolian control, but the current borders of Mongolia are pretty static. Whereas, the boundaries of Manchuria are much more ambiguous and dependent of definition, so I think there's more leeway there...

BadgerJelly · Post by **BadgerJelly** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:23 am

Great looking map.

Are you going to improve those mountains?

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:35 am

No, I'm going to redraw them completely, the current ones are merely placeholder doodles to show where the mountains will probably go.

BadgerJelly · Post by **BadgerJelly** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:37 am

natty_dread wrote:No, I'm going to redraw them completely, the current ones are merely placeholder doodles to show where the mountains will probably go.

What programme do you use? I use GIMP.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:09 am

GIMP.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:42 am

Alternate graphical direction.

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Like/dislike?

BadgerJelly · Post by **BadgerJelly** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:10 am

Bump Map it. Will look cool!

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:33 am

Dislike.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:34 am

BadgerJelly wrote:Bump Map it. Will look cool!

Won't fit the style. Bump maps, emboss & bevel are all sort of pseudo-3d effects which create large amounts of depth in the image. They need to be used carefully, and only when the style of the map allows it. On this map, I'm going for a more flat style.

Bump maps, emboss, etc. are great when you want to create realistic land textures, or realistic mountains from the top-down view, but for a more stylistic image they just look too flashy and out of place.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:37 am

The Bison King wrote:Dislike.

It's going to look better once the territory names are in place.

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:49 am

I like the darker water water more, I like more contrast.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:59 am

More blue, and a different texture, vaguely watercolourish:

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natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:16 am

Darker blue?

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natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:44 am

... or I could do this:

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The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:46 am

Like!

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:39 pm

Good. Here's an updated legend, I'm also going to use the smaller font for territory labels.

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Butters1919 · Post by **Butters1919** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:37 pm

Really liking how this map is coming along. Can't wait to play it. Only one thing seems to stand out and that is the colors of West and East India. They could use more separation. Darker for East or lighter for West.

Much prefer the new legend. Well done.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:00 pm

And here's the territory labels.

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Butters1919 wrote:Only one thing seems to stand out and that is the colors of West and East India.

I don't know, they seem pretty good to me... I'll see what I can do though.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:06 pm

Indeed, this map is looking pretty spectacular now. This is really looking terrific. Yowza. I mean it.

I'll have some real feedback over the next couple of days.

--Andy

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:51 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Indeed, this map is looking pretty spectacular now.

I'm a mapmaking machine. Uh, I mean... thanks.

I'm thinking of maybe tilting some of the territory labels to fit them better inside their territories. For example, Nepal, the Nei Mongol territories, etc. But that'll probably have to wait... right now I think I've done so much graphical development in such an early phase that I'd like to concentrate on the gameplay for a while now.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:47 pm

Ok, so about the gameplay...

Here's the map with all the planned impassables marked with temporary squiggles. The grey ones represent mountains, cyan ones are rivers, white is tundra and brown is the great wall with a one-way assault.

So let me know, should any be removed, should some be added somewhere?

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The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:06 pm

I think that this map is well on it's way.

As far as gameplay is concerned it still bothers me that the Middle East is the only region with out a disputed region. Especialy considering that it's such a... well, disputed region. I see what you're saying though about splitting such un-wieldy bonuses though. One suggestion I would offer is making Iran into it's own bonus and making Iraq a shared region between Iran and the Western (Turkey/Isreal/Istanbul/Syria/Caucus/Cyprus) bonus region.

This could also serve nicely to represent the countries current strife of being torn between a western democratic nation and a regime state (if you are looking for thematic justification)

To me the impasses look fine. I might suggest one between Germany and Switzerland.

Good Luck and Keep on Keepin on.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:21 am

The Bison King wrote:Image
I think that this map is well on it's way.

Well it's about time.

The Bison King wrote:As far as gameplay is concerned it still bothers me that the Middle East is the only region with out a disputed region. Especialy considering that it's such a... well, disputed region. I see what you're saying though about splitting such un-wieldy bonuses though. One suggestion I would offer is making Iran into it's own bonus and making Iraq a shared region between Iran and the Western (Turkey/Isreal/Istanbul/Syria/Caucus/Cyprus) bonus region.

Hm, I don't know if that'd be a good solution either. That would split the area further, and the divisions would make less sense... I think I'll rather just add Iraq as a split region between the current bonuses, this won't increase the borders of Arabia, and it'll still be a feasible bonus, although it's value will probably need to be increased. But hey, that fits too, what with all the oil and resources of the area...

The Bison King wrote:To me the impasses look fine. I might suggest one between Germany and Switzerland.

I don't know, space concerns... Switzerland is so small it might be hard to fit another impassable around it.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:33 am

Here it is...

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natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:24 am

Also, I made a mock-up small version to see if all the army numbers will fit. (Spoiler: they do.)

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