Golden Pantheon - Greek - Game Over ~ Scum Win

[Rodion]

Before I sleep I have a message to both players!

Safari, why would you play so agressively with a survivor role (you posted a lot since D1 and lead the case on Violet, shouldn't a survivor try to contribute as few as possible as to not rise in the mafia's priority list of who to kill?)?

Jonty, please pinpoint when you did your research to conclude that Safari was Prometheus.

[safariguy5]

Before I sleep I have a message to both players!

Safari, why would you play so agressively with a survivor role (you posted a lot since D1 and lead the case on Violet, shouldn't a survivor try to contribute as few as possible as to not rise in the mafia's priority list of who to kill?)?

Jonty, please pinpoint when you did your research to conclude that Safari was Prometheus.

First off, if I hang back and let cases develop, it's quite likely that someone would have called me out for playing differently and I probably would have had to claim anyways. And at this point, with the doctor dead, mafia know that they probably are almost 100% guaranteed to killing town each night, and with such a small game, wasting a NK on me makes less sense. So yes, I suppose they could kill me if they wanted to, but that just gives the town cop more time to find them.

I'm pretty sure I dropped a pretty strong tell that I was Prometheus in

I actually went to Wikipedia and looked up the Titans, and obviously different stories have different accounts. While Prometheus seems the obvious choice about being chained to a rock, I would like to point out that out of the Titans, he's probably one of them that seems less likely to be mafia. I think he probably cares less about Godly affairs and more about the fate of mankind (giving the fire). And Hercules eventually frees him, and we don't hear anything more about him.

Supposedly, he helps the Olympian Gods during the Great War, but again, with all the sources, we cannot be sure. I'm just saying that a chained god is vague enough that it could be almost any prisoner of Tartarus, but I don't remember Cronus being cut to pieces.

jonty probably picked up on it. Besides, making up a flavor cop claim isn't that difficult.

[jonty125]

Jonty, please pinpoint when you did your research to conclude that Safari was Prometheus.

We studied Ancient Greece @ school and I remembered something about giving fire to man and been punished - put "who gave fire to man in Google" and voila first link is the Wikipedia page to Promtheus. Read it, confirmed what I thought. Discussion about the chained god probably set something off sub-consciounsly but I did clarify with Wikipedia. Was hoping to follow Rodion's advice about not claiming, but oh well.

BTW Would someone mind unvoting, I'm at L-1.

[strike wolf]

unvote. I'll like vote again as I believe Safari's claim (and safari's actions make more sense as a third party (he has stated on at least one ocasion he is more afraid of town than mafia and I think his actions fit that philosophy)) but the day has been short so far and while not much has been discussed other than Safari and Jonty, it can't hurt to get more discussion.

[safariguy5]

Jonty, please pinpoint when you did your research to conclude that Safari was Prometheus.

We studied Ancient Greece @ school and I remembered something about giving fire to man and been punished - put "who gave fire to man in Google" and voila first link is the Wikipedia page to Promtheus. Read it, confirmed what I thought. Discussion about the chained god probably set something off sub-consciounsly but I did clarify with Wikipedia. Was hoping to follow Rodion's advice about not claiming, but oh well.

BTW Would someone mind unvoting, I'm at L-1.

I'd like to point out that even if you were flavor cop, all your investigations would point out would be the identity of the God. Thunderbolts=Zeus, Trident=Poseidon, Winged Feet=Hermes etc. Doesn't really show how you think I'm mafia besides flavor spec that all Titans are mafia.

[Victor Sullivan]

Hmm, a third party Watcher seems like a strange role, so I'd be more inclined, truthfully, to believe jonty (though safari's swearing on his life rather throws me off). However, even if safari is lying, it's not a bad trade, as Rodion mentioned. I'll abstain from voting until we reach a conclusion.

-Sully

[VioIet]

Well, I've concluded that Jonty is most likely lying. As he's L-2 right now, I can hammer him in less than an hour. I'm going to send in the action for the secret vote, however, I will hold off voting in the main thread for now. I would like some more confirmation from all, before I hammer.

But I'll try to explain why I believe saf over jonty.

If we have a town watcher, we should be able to get one scum down (you watched Chap like I told you, right?!).

Apparently, Safari took Rodion's advice from Day 1 and watched chap last night. It is quite obvious why Saf choose to watch chap. As chap was a claimed townie (doctor), he was most likely going to be the mafia's choice for a night kill.

This makes me doubt that safari is lying. Any smart watcher in this game, naturally would have chosen Chap. I don't think safari would be bold enough to to lie about his role, knowing how likely it would be for the "real" watcher to counterclaim him.


Now in the very next post, Strike asks a question regarding the Chained God, and other game related flavor. Jonty posts next, and answers Strike's by providing some information from Wiki.

Chained God seems to be Kronos (no surprise) as part of his punishment was to carry a chain. Could also be Prometheus as he was chained to a rock for giving mortals fire but that's less likely. also

Forget what I said. The part about Cronos appears to have been from an unreliable source.

Would that be wikipedia . Anyone wasn't Kronos sent in pieces to Tartarus. Note to mod you need to adjust first post title becuase it says 11/11 and chap needs to be on a dead list. Let's hope we have a watcher who saw who killed chapcrap.

FASTPOSTED by rodion

I think it is the context, that makes this post scummy. However, I will need another quote to reference why (see below). Going by what I stated above, I find it fitting that Jonty would claim to be a flavor cop. Now I can't say it's certain that a role like that can't exist. But, I don't see how receiving three images of a player/character can give any indication of their alignment. And it's just too uncanny that with all the discussion of Prometheus- that Jonty just happens to know/guess safari's exact role.

This leads me to the quote below:

Jonty, please pinpoint when you did your research to conclude that Safari was Prometheus.

We studied Ancient Greece @ school and I remembered something about giving fire to man and been punished - put "who gave fire to man in Google" and voila first link is the Wikipedia page to Promtheus. Read it, confirmed what I thought. Discussion about the chained god probably set something off sub-consciounsly but I did clarify with Wikipedia. Was hoping to follow Rodion's advice about not claiming, but oh well.

BTW Would someone mind unvoting, I'm at L-1.

Jonty mentioned learning about Greek mythology in school. But if he received three images (fire, liver, eagle), it's understandable that he could correctly gather that the images describe Prometheus. Yet, if you think back to Jonty's previous post, he was making a distinction between the evil gods, and the kind-hearted ones.

The day scene and the discussion that follows, highly implicate that whomever that Chained God was- is most likely the Mafia Godfather. Again, we can't be certain of that- but that character was responsible for chap's death.

So Jonty already sub-consciously admits that he think Prometheus is a harmless role, in comparison with the role of Kronos or whomever the Chained God might be. This leads me to belive that Jonty must have gotten some information about alignment, in addition to recieving the three images.

In a subsequent post, Strike and Safari explain that it's unlikely that Prometheus could be mafia, as he tends to side with the mortals. Saf even subtly added that he could be third party. Jonty later agrees with both of these points.

However:

Vote Saf for being an hypocrite and this is not OMGUS!!

This is right after safari brings up his case against Jonty. However, when Jonty was placing this vote, he supposedly ALREADY knew Safari's role. And in other posts, he stated that Prometheus wasn't a bad role.
Why would any towns person do this?
This is the equivalent of a "townie," investigation another townie at night, and receiving an innocent response. Yet, that cleared townie votes them in the thread, and they give an omgus vote right back at them. That just makes no sense. You don't give an omgus vote to someone whom you've supposedly cleared from being mafia.

Now I'm going to analyze Jonty's actions from an entirely different persective. Let's say- ignoring all the flavor posts- that Jonty investigated saf, and felt that Prometheus was an anti-town role. Then, as Rodion advised, why would Jonty not try to start a subtle case against safari at the beginning of Day 2?

Instead, Jonty started the Day out with flavor posts, which I quoted above.

Of course, discussing the flavor is important to understand the scene. But flavor discussions mostly take place when the game is at somewhat of a hiatus. Meaning, that there are no active leads or scum-hunts at the moment, so people will mention flavor in order to generate discussion.

Jonty failed to mention a motive for investigating safari in the first place. Not only that- but if he truly felt saf was scum, why waste so much time with the flavor posts? Also, he gave no reasoning for voting saf, other than:

Vote Saf for being an hypocrite and this is not OMGUS!!

However it was an omgus. His vote would have been much better received, if he came out with his investigation, or at least more circumstantial evidence. He provided neither, which screams of a scum reaction to me.

After analyzing Jonty's actions from both perspectives- I've come to the conclusion that his "investigation on safari" was simply an after-thought.

I would also like to mention, that while I was re-reading the thread, I got the strangest vibe that Victor was trying to be a distraction on page 16. Page 16 was right after saf claimed (page 15), and right before Jonty claimed (17). I plan to follow this lead more tomorrow.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

jonty (1) - safariguy, victor, PCM
safariguy (1) - jonty,

6 to lynch

Setting a tentative deadline one week from today

[jonty125]

HOLD YOUR FIRE!!

I will respond to Vio's case - and trust Vio's case is weak but I've got to go shopping so I'll be back in 2hours

[TA1LGUNN3R]

hmm... the flavor spec seems to fit for both characters, so it's probable one of them is lying (jonty vs Saf)...

So for jonty, if I assume he is mafia....

I counted Victor twice unvote vote Violet

inactive BW...

unvote I'm happy with Vio has now proved her abilities

Vote Count

safariguy (1) - chapcrap
chapcrap (1) -PCM
jonty (4) - conzo, MeDeFe, Violet, ???
Violet (4) - safariguy, victor, strike wolf, jonty

11 alive, 6 to lynch

It appears that Vio is cleared...However, I thought that I had voted for Vio... No big deal.

Since jonty has 4 votes, perhaps we could hear from him?

Lets have a breakdown on the votes on me

1.

Hmmmm...

unvote vote Sully unvote revote Jonty! for swearing to an unknown god!

Jokevote

2.

unvote
vote jonty for apparently not counting correctly

Jokevote

3 and 4.

Vote Jonty

The next vote count should include two votes for jonty- one from me, and one from ???

Proving her role

So two jokevotes, and Vio proving her role. I believe that says it all.

A legitimate defense post, against someone who was dropping scumtells.

About jonty:

I already explained this before. We were pressuring Vio because of supposed inactiveness at other times in mafia and on the site as a whole. With that as the predecessor, I saw no reason to not pressure jonty into a claim since we were basically just pressuring for no reason anyway.

The reason why we pressure an inactive is because they are no help to town because a) harder to get a lynch and b) don't hear their view and can't get scumtells

I thought you would have known this and are dropping scumtells left and right unvote vote chapcrap

This one's harder. He did vote for a townie, as did I, who later turned out to be the doc. If he were scum he would know this. However, chap was playing poorly. Too wifom for anything concrete.

That would be a gutsy move if you were mafia and I believe it unvote

Backs off the doc... sensible for any player.

I aren't going to vote no lynch because finishing the day early is of no value to town as people may still drop scumtells or voting patterns for D2.

Yeah, I'm certainly would not support another wagon today. We've already pushed our boundaries too far for Day 1 as it is.

-Sully

+1

Says he won't vote no lynch, but endorses Victor's post that he won't support another wagon. Again, nothing damning, considering the doc had just been outed.

I'm not thinking he's scummy right now, based purely on these posts. Then again, this could just be solid play. I'll compare to Saf next (too tired atm).

One thing that has been bothering me is the kill on chap... Were the mafia really so desperate to be rid of him, or did they conclude a watcher not likely? Obviously they achieved the kill, but I personally may have waited a day or two, just to rule out the possibility of watchers. idk, I tend to be overly cautious. This leads me to question either players' motive; they both have solid-ish claims, but one of them had to have been responsible for the kill or known about it. I guess I'll wait for jonty's response.

-Tails

[jonty125]

Well, I've concluded that Jonty is most likely lying. As he's L-2 right now, I can hammer him in less than an hour. I'm going to send in the action for the secret vote, however, I will hold off voting in the main thread for now. I would like some more confirmation from all, before I hammer.

But I'll try to explain why I believe saf over jonty.

If we have a town watcher, we should be able to get one scum down (you watched Chap like I told you, right?!).

Apparently, Safari took Rodion's advice from Day 1 and watched chap last night. It is quite obvious why Saf choose to watch chap. As chap was a claimed townie (doctor), he was most likely going to be the mafia's choice for a night kill.

This makes me doubt that safari is lying. Any smart watcher in this game, naturally would have chosen Chap. I don't think safari would be bold enough to to lie about his role, knowing how likely it would be for the "real" watcher to counterclaim him.


Now in the very next post, Strike asks a question regarding the Chained God, and other game related flavor. Jonty posts next, and answers Strike's by providing some information from Wiki.

Chained God seems to be Kronos (no surprise) as part of his punishment was to carry a chain. Could also be Prometheus as he was chained to a rock for giving mortals fire but that's less likely. also

Forget what I said. The part about Cronos appears to have been from an unreliable source.

Would that be wikipedia . Anyone wasn't Kronos sent in pieces to Tartarus. Note to mod you need to adjust first post title becuase it says 11/11 and chap needs to be on a dead list. Let's hope we have a watcher who saw who killed chapcrap.

FASTPOSTED by rodion

I did not provide information from Wikipedia, I made a light hearted joke about Wikipedia being an unreliable source and I recalled that Kronos was sent to pieces to Tartarus (in fact him being cut up was an incorrect memory recall)

I think it is the context, that makes this post scummy. However, I will need another quote to reference why (see below). Going by what I stated above, I find it fitting that Jonty would claim to be a flavor cop. Now I can't say it's certain that a role like that can't exist. But, I don't see how receiving three images of a player/character can give any indication of their alignment. And it's just too uncanny that with all the discussion of Prometheus- that Jonty just happens to know/guess safari's exact role.

I only guessed his name & alignment not his role. I guessed his name from the pics and his alignment from this

The Titans again stirred, ready and willing to strike down the Olympians.

Does anyone else think this indicates Olympains vs. Titans (Olympians being town)

This leads me to the quote below:

Jonty, please pinpoint when you did your research to conclude that Safari was Prometheus.

We studied Ancient Greece @ school and I remembered something about giving fire to man and been punished - put "who gave fire to man in Google" and voila first link is the Wikipedia page to Promtheus. Read it, confirmed what I thought. Discussion about the chained god probably set something off sub-consciounsly but I did clarify with Wikipedia. Was hoping to follow Rodion's advice about not claiming, but oh well.

BTW Would someone mind unvoting, I'm at L-1.

Jonty mentioned learning about Greek mythology in school. But if he received three images (fire, liver, eagle), it's understandable that he could correctly gather that the images describe Prometheus. Yet, if you think back to Jonty's previous post, he was making a distinction between the evil gods, and the kind-hearted ones.

No, I did not metion anything about kind-hearted Gods vs. evil gods would you care to point out the post

The day scene and the discussion that follows, highly implicate that whomever that Chained God was- is most likely the Mafia Godfather. Again, we can't be certain of that- but that character was responsible for chap's death.

So Jonty already sub-consciously admits that he think Prometheus is a harmless role, in comparison with the role of Kronos or whomever the Chained God might be. This leads me to belive that Jonty must have gotten some information about alignment, in addition to recieving the three images.

Where the hell did I say Prometheus is a harmless role in comparison to Kronos!! Any mafia to lynch would be good - GF would be a BONUS!!

In a subsequent post, Strike and Safari explain that it's unlikely that Prometheus could be mafia, as he tends to side with the mortals. Saf even subtly added that he could be third party. Jonty later agrees with both of these points.

Deja vu, when did I say that!!

However:

Vote Saf for being an hypocrite and this is not OMGUS!!

This is right after safari brings up his case against Jonty. However, when Jonty was placing this vote, he supposedly ALREADY knew Safari's role. And in other posts, he stated that Prometheus wasn't a bad role.

WHEN DID I STATE THAT!!

Why would any towns person do this?
This is the equivalent of a "townie," investigation another townie at night, and receiving an innocent response. Yet, that cleared townie votes them in the thread, and they give an omgus vote right back at them. That just makes no sense. You don't give an omgus vote to someone whom you've supposedly cleared from being mafia.

Your scenario is correct if we were both town. But only one of us is. I am a town flavour cop while I believe safari is fakeclaiming because he claimed a titan and I earlier in this post said this is Olympians vs. Titans. SO I therefore believe saf is mafia.

Now I'm going to analyze Jonty's actions from an entirely different persective. Let's say- ignoring all the flavor posts- that Jonty investigated saf, and felt that Prometheus was an anti-town role. Then, as Rodion advised, why would Jonty not try to start a subtle case against safari at the beginning of Day 2?

Erm, I did. Well not subtle but saf did vote me in memory of dead man who was pressuring me for joke votes and proof of role. So I made a case against him.

Instead, Jonty started the Day out with flavor posts, which I quoted above.

I made one flavour related post in reaaction to strike's. At the time there wasn't much evidence against saf until he dropped a clanger.

Of course, discussing the flavor is important to understand the scene. But flavor discussions mostly take place when the game is at somewhat of a hiatus. Meaning, that there are no active leads or scum-hunts at the moment, so people will mention flavor in order to generate discussion.

Jonty failed to mention a motive for investigating safari in the first place. Not only that- but if he truly felt saf was scum, why waste so much time with the flavor posts? Also, he gave no reasoning for voting saf, other than:

Vote Saf for being an hypocrite and this is not OMGUS!!

However it was an omgus. His vote would have been much better received, if he came out with his investigation, or at least more circumstantial evidence. He provided neither, which screams of a scum reaction to me.

Investigation on Saf was random. But my vote was v. clearly explained if you read my post in full.

[strike wolf]

Actually while not fully accurate (particularly on the reason why Jonty initially voted Safari), Vio did bring up some good points about the timing of when Jonty brought up Prometheus. I mean seriously. You say that you are under the impression that all Titans are against the Gods? Did you look up your clues? Seriously type fire eagle liver into google in any order without quotation marks and the wikipedia entry for Prometheus is the first thing that comes up. You however did not bring up anything related to Safari being Prometheus until after it had been discussed for a while. This whole Titans being mafia seems to be a bit convenient thing to use in hind-sight (yes this is a pun) but does not seem to be accurate with the story of the game. Not to mention that Prometheus never sided with the Titans in the actual war. Flavor wise, Safari's claim fits better than yours.

[jonty125]

You say that you are under the impression that all Titans are against the Gods?

Well, if I'd been beaten in a war I would probably hate the winners

[quote="strike wolf]This whole Titans being mafia seems to be a bit convenient thing to use in hind-sight (yes this is a pun) but does not seem to be accurate with the story of the game.[/quote]

How so?

You however did not bring up anything related to Safari being Prometheus until after it had been discussed for a while.

I held my cards to my chest as long as I could, hoping we could get a safari lynch without me claiming but alas it wasn't to be.

[Rodion]

I'm thinking that 3 words should allow us to always conclude the identity of whom Jonty visited. If we are to believe this game is a simple Olympyans vs. Titans game, Jonty's flavour investigation will lead us to certainty, making him, effectively, a regular cop.

Question to the most experienced players: is a mafia godafther immune to "flavour cop" investigations (would the flavour report be false/misleading?)

That said, if we do have a cop, I'd conclude that:
a) Jonty is a mafia cop
AND/OR
b) the game balance is not as simple as it seems (all Olympians town, all Titans mafia), otherwise we would essentially have 2 cops, which would be pretty much imbalanced

The catch here is that I wouldn't like the eventual cop to claim, so it's just a thought to keep in mind for now.

I say we keep milking this day before any rash decisions are made.

[safariguy5]

I'm thinking that 3 words should allow us to always conclude the identity of whom Jonty visited. If we are to believe this game is a simple Olympyans vs. Titans game, Jonty's flavour investigation will lead us to certainty, making him, effectively, a regular cop.

Question to the most experienced players: is a mafia godafther immune to "flavour cop" investigations (would the flavour report be false/misleading?)

That said, if we do have a cop, I'd conclude that:
a) Jonty is a mafia cop
AND/OR
b) the game balance is not as simple as it seems (all Olympians town, all Titans mafia), otherwise we would essentially have 2 cops, which would be pretty much imbalanced

The catch here is that I wouldn't like the eventual cop to claim, so it's just a thought to keep in mind for now.

I say we keep milking this day before any rash decisions are made.

I put a flavor cop in Futurama, but i made the clues just vague enough that any 1 investigation of one person would give clues that could apply to multiple people. Subsequent investigations would narrow the scope down.

Partly that was due to there being a regular cop also in the game, so I had to nerf the secondary cop role a bit, but the Godfather is not immune to flavor cop investigations anyways.

And to go back to jonty's main post against me.

But he did believe in pressuring jonty, so I'll use that as the starting point. Pending some sort of investigative claim of course.

I already explained this before. We were pressuring Vio because of supposed inactiveness at other times in mafia and on the site as a whole. With that as the predecessor, I saw no reason to not pressure jonty into a claim since we were basically just pressuring for no reason anyway.

He was pressuring me as I was at L-2. This was 2 jokevotes and Vio proving her role. So you believe that this was right by following a dead man's wishes

And you said this yesterday

I believe him wanting to pressure jonty is basically a symptom of chap not wanting to end the day with a no lynch. Basically, he figured since jonty had some votes on him, why not go ahead and pressure him for a roleclaim?

How has the situation changed?

Vote Saf for being an hypocrite and this is not OMGUS!!

So he says that I was being hypocritical, but he quoted a post of mine where I explained chap's rationale for voting jonty. So really, it's not a hypocritical post because where jonty quoted me doesn't show me necessarily opposed to jonty claiming. At the time, I was personally fine with a no lynch because we had enough information to go on at that point, but it doesn't mean that at the start of Day 2 I was going to ignore chap's suspicions from Day 1. Conditions have changed, which means that comparing a post made on Day 1 to that of Day 2 isn't necessarily analogous as we know more information now than we did then.

[jonty125]

I'm thinking that 3 words should allow us to always conclude the identity of whom Jonty visited. If we are to believe this game is a simple Olympyans vs. Titans game, Jonty's flavour investigation will lead us to certainty, making him, effectively, a regular cop.

Question to the most experienced players: is a mafia godafther immune to "flavour cop" investigations (would the flavour report be false/misleading?)

That said, if we do have a cop, I'd conclude that:
a) Jonty is a mafia cop
AND/OR
b) the game balance is not as simple as it seems (all Olympians town, all Titans mafia), otherwise we would essentially have 2 cops, which would be pretty much imbalanced

The catch here is that I wouldn't like the eventual cop to claim, so it's just a thought to keep in mind for now.

I say we keep milking this day before any rash decisions are made.

Bit of a noob question but why would mafia have a cop?

But it doesn't mean that at the start of Day 2 I was going to ignore chap's suspicions from Day 1.

Chap's suspicions were based on me being at L-2. Why was I at L-2?. 2 JOKEVOTES AND PROOF OF ROLE!! You carried on using the same logic as him and that logic wreaked of scum. That's why I voted you.

Conditions have changed, which means that comparing a post made on Day 1 to that of Day 2 isn't necessarily analogous

I still don't see how they had changed. 4 posts had been made when you voted me. Two from strike about flavour on who did the kill, Rodion, giving advice on how to play, and myself commenting on strike and hoping for a watcher. How does that make chapcrap's logic alright to use!

[pancakemix]

I'm thinking that 3 words should allow us to always conclude the identity of whom Jonty visited. If we are to believe this game is a simple Olympyans vs. Titans game, Jonty's flavour investigation will lead us to certainty, making him, effectively, a regular cop.

Question to the most experienced players: is a mafia godafther immune to "flavour cop" investigations (would the flavour report be false/misleading?)

That said, if we do have a cop, I'd conclude that:
a) Jonty is a mafia cop
AND/OR
b) the game balance is not as simple as it seems (all Olympians town, all Titans mafia), otherwise we would essentially have 2 cops, which would be pretty much imbalanced

The catch here is that I wouldn't like the eventual cop to claim, so it's just a thought to keep in mind for now.

I say we keep milking this day before any rash decisions are made.

Bit of a noob question but why would mafia have a cop?

It would be a role cop or a flavor cop to help in kill choices.

[safariguy5]

I'm thinking that 3 words should allow us to always conclude the identity of whom Jonty visited. If we are to believe this game is a simple Olympyans vs. Titans game, Jonty's flavour investigation will lead us to certainty, making him, effectively, a regular cop.

Question to the most experienced players: is a mafia godafther immune to "flavour cop" investigations (would the flavour report be false/misleading?)

That said, if we do have a cop, I'd conclude that:
a) Jonty is a mafia cop
AND/OR
b) the game balance is not as simple as it seems (all Olympians town, all Titans mafia), otherwise we would essentially have 2 cops, which would be pretty much imbalanced

The catch here is that I wouldn't like the eventual cop to claim, so it's just a thought to keep in mind for now.

I say we keep milking this day before any rash decisions are made.

Bit of a noob question but why would mafia have a cop?

But it doesn't mean that at the start of Day 2 I was going to ignore chap's suspicions from Day 1.

Chap's suspicions were based on me being at L-2. Why was I at L-2?. 2 JOKEVOTES AND PROOF OF ROLE!! You carried on using the same logic as him and that logic wreaked of scum. That's why I voted you.

Conditions have changed, which means that comparing a post made on Day 1 to that of Day 2 isn't necessarily analogous

I still don't see how they had changed. 4 posts had been made when you voted me. Two from strike about flavour on who did the kill, Rodion, giving advice on how to play, and myself commenting on strike and hoping for a watcher. How does that make chapcrap's logic alright to use!

Well yeah, I didn't use the best reasoning behind voting for you, but I couldn't find a better way to signal I had information. You're basically attacking me trying to stir a case without claiming. The point was to not claim if I didn't have to.

Now that I have claimed, you really have no defense I've seen except saying that I'm Prometheus and flavorspeccing that I'm mafia, while disregarding the fact that your claim is even weaker flavorwise than mine is.

[Victor Sullivan]

Hm, perhaps I'm more convinced now. I agree with you, Rodion, that we shouldn't do anything rash, but I believe this vote is well-founded: vote jonty

Like was stated before, safari's got a huge target on his back if jonty flips town, and a one-for-one trade with scum is by no means a bad trade in my book.

-Sully

[strike wolf]

fixed quotes:

You say that you are under the impression that all Titans are against the Gods?

Well, if I'd been beaten in a war I would probably hate the winners

Prometheus sided with the Gods in the war against Kronos and the Titans. He was punished by the gods later on for stealing fire. The key word is I was stating ALL titans. Prometheus was a Titan but he sided against them in the war.

This whole Titans being mafia seems to be a bit convenient thing to use in hind-sight (yes this is a pun) but does not seem to be accurate with the story of the game.

How so?

It's convenient in the fact you start bringing all this up after things shift against you. You do not focus on it before attention is shifting your way and it took a vote from Safari to get you to act on your supposed investigation.

You however did not bring up anything related to Safari being Prometheus until after it had been discussed for a while.

I held my cards to my chest as long as I could, hoping we could get a safari lynch without me claiming but alas it wasn't to be.

I'm stilll calling BS for previously stated reasons with how it came up.

[VioIet]

I know things have been slow the last few days, due to the holidays. I haven't even been around much myself.

Vote Jonty

I believe that is the hammer. Victor put him back at L-1, so I don't need to use the double-vote.

[edocsil]

I think that is a lynch, browsing here on a mobile so it is hard to count. Even if it is do not expect a scene until the 26th.

Happy Holidays all.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

jonty (5) - saf, vic, soundman, pcm, vio
safariguy (1) - jonty,

6 to lynch

Deadline Wednesday

[jonty125]

Just think how I would know that saf was Promtheus?

[Victor Sullivan]

That's WIFOM, jonty, and you know it.

I've got a nail and a coffin, anyone got a hammer?

-Sully