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[chapcrap]

Well, I already stated in my last post of Day 2 about the following 3:

Leitz is super scummy
MeDeFe should be pressured
strike wolf is scum or a power role

I am thinking about MeDeFe, then Leitz, then strike wolf.

[jonty125]

Just offhand this is what I know about SG7. I was forced to replace him in the game I am modding. But I think I have stricter rules though about activity, if I have to prod more than once or twice I will not hesitate to replace to keep the game integrity, I do not balance games for inactives. (Nothing against you Safari, he signed up fair and square, if he posts once a month or once a day is up to him. Its just my viewpoint on things)

Umm hes also in a couple other games I think:
(Added after research: Holy Crap! SG7 is in 6 other games not including this one. He clearly bit off more than he could chew.)

Squirrel Masters Mafia - He has ZERO posts after confirm.
Memebase Mafia - He was lynched on Day 4 - I did not research his post tendencies.
FF7 Mafia - 3 posts since game start. Dec 12, Dec 17, and Dec 17 again. First was a jokevote, second was stating hes never played FF7, and 3rd post was welcoming Comm9 back. So nothing of value.
Soundman's First Mafia - More active it seems, with 5 posts after confirm. 3 Jokeposts, 2 posts in December: Dec 11 and Dec 17. Both are "meh" posts, I don't find anything of value here, but he does make comments about current cases.
Stool Pigeon Mafia - Very Very active in October and November. However only 2 posts in December: Dec 1st and Dec 12, which December 12 was a "I am catching up post"
MTG:Planeswalkers Mafia - Umm I have no idea what MTG is so I may sound dumb.... but again very active in November here, 3-5 posts in December, and these seem to be much better posts than I have seen in other games.

I was on the brink of replacing him in my C9 game 2 weeks ago but mafia won before I gave him a final warning so I concur that shield is just generally inactive.

[betiko]

About leitz: I don't know, I am unable to read any good or bad with him, he is one of the 2 players with jonty I have the least opinion about.
Leitz seems somewhat to play like jimfinn before his claim, if you know what i mean, so I don't know... Chap already said at the end of day 2 he was scummy to him, but he hasn't even said why..

SG7 has abandonned the ship since a while and his contributions were weird. you say that it's his gamestyle (weird contribution, not the lack of contribution). I think he should be prodded and replaced. I'd be curious to see how another player fits in this role that would act a little less weird and more active.

Also where the hell is jimfinn! he has the most important thing to say of us all.

[betiko]

and chap i think strike could also be the survivor. Strike is the opposite of jonty and leitz for me. I have too many opinions that come in mind, and they are all contradictory. I really don't know what to think about him either, but for different reasons. he really could be anything.

[Leitz]

... Leitz is super scummy ...

About leitz: I don't know, I am unable to read any good or bad with him, he is one of the 2 players with jonty I have the least opinion about.
Leitz seems somewhat to play like jimfinn before his claim, if you know what i mean, so I don't know... Chap already said at the end of day 2 he was scummy to him, but he hasn't even said why..

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I'd like to know to, so why do you think I am scummy chapcrap? :/

[strike wolf]

how dead is all this after all what happened since the lynch; rodion+swifte cases.. I know it's christmas and that we are all hanging to jimfinn's post (as in the begining of day2 but for verryyy diferent reasons lol). still surprised to see so little reactions.
mostly about rodion as we were all dying to know what he really was during a whole month. About swifte we can't say much more for now I admit, but no one else has nothing to say about the rodion case, it has nothing to do with jimfinn's investigation:?:

Strike, I do think we've learned things with rodion's fakeclaim.

I wouldn't argue that. Whether it was to net benefit or net loss is what I am unconvinced of. Personally my opinions did not change much after he had claimed than just before it.

people wanting to hammer or not IS interesting. The day 2 became much longer, but I don't really see how rodion's action were a big prejudice to the town. Only because it COULD have turned bad, but it didn't.

And just because it didn't doesnt mean it couldn't. This is a round about wifomy argument but if you want to get into it: First, as a vanilla townie you do not know any of the other roles within the game. For all Rodion could have known there was a real bomb in this game. The right move for a bomb would to ensure Rodion's lynch without claiming (and it is possible that one did) but we cannot account for power roles acting in the best way and a counter claim in that scenario would have definitely been possible. You also don't know the full effects of what happened with his claim yet so again...Net benefit...net loss, we'll know more for certain as the day goes on. What we do know is there is more than just Rodion to this game.

What was a bad idea was to gang up on him in the first place for the case he brought up, that was kind of a simple question with a twist, but became a mountain. You seem to put all the blame on him for his own death because he dared to make a case on you.

I believe I stated this already but just because you can make a case out of nothing (which is basically what Rodion did) does not mean you should. There's a lot of ways I could twist things and make it appear bad that I have not already. For instance, I could have made Safari's joke vote from that game into a case where Rodion and Safari were both scum and he was making a joke about that. The fact of the matter is, Rodion brought forth a weird case with the only backing being a couple of Joke Votes from another game. It was ridiculous and I stand by that. Did I know what Rodion was getting at? Obviously I didn't otherwise Rodion would be scum. I felt that this was a trick. I thought he may have been hoping to get a lynch while throwing enough wifom into it to be able to get around it. It did seem like a rather risky route yes but nothing about Rodion's post made sense and from my angle, it makes even less sense today.

Well, I already stated in my last post of Day 2 about the following 3:

Leitz is super scummy
MeDeFe should be pressured
strike wolf is scum or a power role

I am thinking about MeDeFe, then Leitz, then strike wolf.

I would put leitz ahead of MeDeFe honestly. Personally I thought I was going to be the pressured one today (or at least I was prepared for it in case it did happen) but MeDeFe, may or may not be scum but from what I know I think Leitz is if nothing else a more straight forward case.

and chap i think strike could also be the survivor. Strike is the opposite of jonty and leitz for me. I have too many opinions that come in mind, and they are all contradictory. I really don't know what to think about him either, but for different reasons. he really could be anything.

I am not a survivor. I would not have played this aggressively if my only winning condition was to survive until endgame.

Anyways as I said earlier there are two people I really want to look into today. One of them, Leitz, Trini did a good job of organizing his posts together and I would agree that Leitz while fairly consistent does appear to be trying to fly just a little below the radar. The other is Jonty, I am still reading back on him and I will get more to that soon hopefully. I'm willing to believe chap for the time being and as stated yesterday with or without the hammer volunteer, I as of yet have no reason to suspect him of any scummy motive. I was a little more suspect of Mob yesterday but having read back I think I see something that may point to him being innocent.

reviewing more Leitz is the most interesting. He talks a lot about being undecided on the whole Rodion case but this post in particular make me think that may have been more of a facade to fall back on:

Vote Count

Rodion (6)- strike, chap, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph
strike(1)- Rodion


With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Activity is good, but the game is stalling. Deadline in 5 days. Day will end on Wednesday, December 21st, Midnight PST.

Person with the highest number of votes will be lynched.

We're letting this drag! Rodion is two votes away, so we either let dazza or chap hammer, correct? I trust neither of them really..

It just feels for someone so undecided about the scenario he was eager to get Rodion to be hammered. He didn't even bother to argue his FOS choice from earlier:

How about from here we use FoS's like votes: Each person gets one FoS and you unpoint when you switch to someone else. When a majority of Fos's are on one person, that person has to either lynch Rodion or be lynched? I'll do FoS counts, and only FoS's after this post count for the purpose of this.

I think this might be a good idea as we are currently at a dead end. I've always believed betiko has acted scummy, so my FOS goes to betiko.

Sorry if this is a bit disorganized. I kept having more to add and I don't feel like editing before posting it right now.

[Leitz]

Strike, that change of mind at the end of D2 was simply because I, as many others, had enough of the going around in circles and with the deadline nearing fast and activity getting lower I felt like somebody had to hammer otherwise the voting would've been messed up.

As far as the betiko FOS, I'll have to admit I hung on too long on to that lead. He just acted very weird whenever Rodion came up which made it hard to ignore it. Rodion, being VT, has cleared this up so I'm off betikos back.

[chapcrap]

Leitz, I don't have time to go through and do a ton of quoting right now, like trini did, but here are the reason that I suspect the 3 of you:

MeDeFe: Laid low for Day 1 except for advocating a no lynch. Suddenly popped in on Day 2 with longer posts. I don't think that his posts were really that helpful or enlightening and was just trying to make it look like he was being a bigger part of the game.

Leitz: It has a lot to do with what trini and strike were saying. You have not posted much of worth and have just been going with the flow kind of. Posting enough to stay active, but nothing good. However, you changing your mind at the end of day 2 wasn't that bad in my opinion. I think a lot of your play was due to inexperience. Also, I don't think you were the scummiest. Part of why I called you super scummy, was if I survived, I wanted to see who would jump on it.

That brings me to strike: Part of what mafia members do is lynch people who they think that town will not lynch. The doctor was a great lynch for the mafia, obviously. In doing this, they purposely leave alive people who they think will get lynched. This is exactly what strike is doing with Leitz. I said in my last post on Day 2 that I thought he was super scummy. I think that strike is trying to exploit that as a mafia member. This is in addition to the fact that he completely refused to hammer Rodion at all. That he has strongly helped in the lynching of 2 townies now. There are other subtleties that make me think he is scum as well. I really don't think he's a survivor. That doesn't fit at all they way he has been acting.

That being said, I have changed my previous stance. I believe that strike is the leading scum candidate we have. unvote vote strike

[Victor Sullivan]

Vote Count

strike wolf (1)- chapcrap

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

-Sully

[Leitz]

Interesting point chap, I'll wait for strikes response before throwing out any votes.

Btw, correct me if I'm wrong, but dazza still hasn't posted in D3?

[dazza2008]

Interesting point chap, I'll wait for strikes response before throwing out any votes.

Btw, correct me if I'm wrong, but dazza still hasn't posted in D3?

Yep I have nt posted today. Still not sure what to add. I think it was bad play by Rodion. The mafia got mega lucky with the kill. I need to look through again and see what I think. We need to hear from the cop too.

[betiko]

The doctor was a great lynch for the mafia, obviously. In doing this, they purposely leave alive people who they think will get lynched. This is exactly what strike is doing with Leitz.

The mafia didn't purposly do anything; you can see it from saf's scene, their target was switched. One of us here knows (most probably not you otherwise you wouldn't ve taken the risk to hammer) who was the original target and it has to stay that way. And why would strike would've thought leitz would get lynched, just because you said leitz was super scummy, when no one had a case on him?

Scene

As night descended, the residents of Halloweentown settled down for another uneasy night of sleep. If one of their own could so blatantly lie to them, who could they really trust?

A large bag-like creature snuck up on his target. As he prepared to engulf the victim in the folds of his bag, a white, emaciated quadriped whisked his target away and dropped another person in the bed.

Surprised by this turn of events, the killer still carried out his grim duty and enveloped the new target.

Swifte, Dr. Finkelstein, Town Doctor has been killed!

It is now Day 3! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

I'm not fully buying the strike case; you are bringing up some good points about him, but like I said before, there are stuff comming from him that make me strongly think he is scum and other stuff that make me strongly think he is town. the strike case is too complex for me for now.

I want to wake up SG7, I still have all eyes on him for disapearing and weird posting all the time.

vote shieldgenerator7

[MoB Deadly]

I don't know I don't really like any of the cases so far yet...

I don't like SG7, because he is obviously inactive throughout the whole site, and I do not think we have the leisure of pressuring an inactive right now we need to find scum.

Strike, he has obviously muffed up his previous cases.. This could very well of been the gameplan for a super-debate scum to try to lead us down all the wrong paths and get any and every lynch we could. However, Chap's post is not good enough for me. I need a better case with some better evidence before I put my vote on him. I did look into the vote patterns and Strike is the case initiator in every single case except one, and in that one he is the second vote. However I am also reluctant to vote him because of his actions when Rodion claimed. He refused to hammer. So he is either:
A) Scum
B) Town Power Role
C) Just Stubborn

Is it worth the risk to pressure him, knowing whether its A or B he will be claiming a town power role. We definitely cannot afford to lose a power role at this point in the game. It would be great if we didn't even have a power role to claim today. I think we may be better off looking who has been following strike the "blindliest" or something.

I liked Leitz' case earlier in the day, but it seems like every time we post about him he responds rather quickly. I can't tell if this is because he is indeed reading everything and just commenting and that is his playing style? Or if he is just submarining as scum and surfacing whenever he detects his name being called. I wish you would be more committal in your posts. In my opinion, the less you talk, the more you have to hide, and only mafia need to hide things. The more you go with the flow, the more you look like you don't have an opinion and just following scum.

If I had to choose now I would probably put my vote on Leitz, but I want to hold of voting until at least Jimfinn checks in

[strike wolf]

Leitz, I don't have time to go through and do a ton of quoting right now, like trini did, but here are the reason that I suspect the 3 of you:

MeDeFe: Laid low for Day 1 except for advocating a no lynch. Suddenly popped in on Day 2 with longer posts. I don't think that his posts were really that helpful or enlightening and was just trying to make it look like he was being a bigger part of the game.

Leitz: It has a lot to do with what trini and strike were saying. You have not posted much of worth and have just been going with the flow kind of. Posting enough to stay active, but nothing good. However, you changing your mind at the end of day 2 wasn't that bad in my opinion. I think a lot of your play was due to inexperience. Also, I don't think you were the scummiest. Part of why I called you super scummy, was if I survived, I wanted to see who would jump on it.

That brings me to strike: Part of what mafia members do is lynch people who they think that town will not lynch. The doctor was a great lynch for the mafia, obviously. In doing this, they purposely leave alive people who they think will get lynched. This is exactly what strike is doing with Leitz. I said in my last post on Day 2 that I thought he was super scummy. I think that strike is trying to exploit that as a mafia member. This is in addition to the fact that he completely refused to hammer Rodion at all. That he has strongly helped in the lynching of 2 townies now. There are other subtleties that make me think he is scum as well. I really don't think he's a survivor. That doesn't fit at all they way he has been acting.

That being said, I have changed my previous stance. I believe that strike is the leading scum candidate we have.
unvote vote strike

I take full responsibility for the Rodion & BG cases. I'll explain my reasons for either or both but I won't deny that I was a driving force on both wagons. Rodion got over his head by bringing that ridiculous joke vote case into the game you reacted in the same way. As far as refusing to hammer Rodion, part of that was my belief that we shouldn't force another claim that day and the other part was that you are correct in saying I am not vanilla. I am not scum but I am not vanilla. Unless town wishes to make me their case for today, I do not plan to say any more than I have though you may find that I've already said more than most people think. As far as jumping on Leitz. is he the best case right now? I think so but i haven't read into Jonty so I have not voted either one.

Other than that the doctor was apparently bus driven into the kill (For the record and i think I've already said this but the busdriver should not come forward with whom. The person is likely town but it is not yet worth mentioning that person as being town).

[jonty125]

I don't think there is a case on strike - BG self hammered himself after acting fairly scummy. And Rodion was just asking to be lynched with his jokevote case.

[Leitz]

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I liked Leitz' case earlier in the day, but it seems like every time we post about him he responds rather quickly. I can't tell if this is because he is indeed reading everything and just commenting and that is his playing style?

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This. I still go to university, so in the beginning of the game I could only read a few times (sometimes not even once) per day due to classes and staying over at my girlfriends place. Now exams are coming up so I'm home for the next 3 weeks (to study) and then 3 weeks of exams so I will be having much more time to check & post stuff.

fastposted by jonty125.

[Epitaph1]

SG7 was high on my list going into D3 due to his inactivity. But apparently he's not just avoiding us. If we apply any pressure, I don't think he would feel it. If and when he does show up, he better come with some good explanations.

Re: busdriver. If I would have to guess, I would say that the emaciated quadruped is Jack (even though he usually walks upright). There is no point in claiming this unless the busdriver himself is about to get the noose or whomever he switched last night is about to be lynched.

I don't have a good read on Leitz. The only thing that raises a flag is the possibility of submarining. If he was submarining, he's returned to the surface. However, D2 did drag on forever, so we should take that consideration if we're going to make a case based on inactivity.

Re: MeDeFe. If things would have fallen apart yesterday with the Rodion case, MeDeFe was on my list of suspects to pursue. However, unlike chap, when he did begin to speak up I didn't find his comments to be completely unhelpful. But we were really splitting hairs by the last quarter of D2.

I don't think that strike has acted particularly scummy this game. He was a little aggressive with BG, but I'm willing to overlook that because it was D1 and it's better to get a lynch vs. a no lynch on D1. However, Rodion was asking for it. It seems as though his plan was to get lynched yesterday but try to get as much on paper as he could before he went. It's funny how he emphasized that townies should never lie and he did just that. By the end of this game, we may be better able to judge the wisdom of this move, but for now I'm not convinced it was a great move.

[chapcrap]

@betiko: The mafia didn't do anything on purpose?

Please. You know that the busdriver could me a mafia busdriver, right? It doesn't have to be town.

[betiko]

@betiko: The mafia didn't do anything on purpose?

Please. You know that the busdriver could me a mafia busdriver, right? It doesn't have to be town.

to be frank I thought a busdriver was a town only role; also I am not sure about a few things; can a busdriver switch players every night or is it one night only?
Also I don't really get what character in the movie is a quadriped. Epitaph said a white quadriped could be Jack crawling.. Now that I think about it could be zero the dog. (even if he is a ghost dog with no legs). Yeah I think zero is the only possible quadriped, therefore it would be a town busdriver. In my previous post character-role guessing, I said creature under the bed, but it's only 2 red eyes glowing from under a bed so it doesn't really match the white quadruped. Therefore the watcher would not be zero.
If it's a scum busdriver, i guess we had the watcher on the doc (who else was there to watch??) and we would ve had some suggestions about something. maybe we don't have a watcher..

[MeDeFe]

A scum busdriver is rather unlikely with as many VTs in the game as we've seen.

[strike wolf]

Well emaciated quadriped could be Zero or it could be those skeleton reindeer.

[betiko]

Well emaciated quadriped could be Zero or it could be those skeleton reindeer.

true! it would make completely sense. and i've aways thought zero was the watcher.

[Leitz]

Could the mod please prod jimfinn & SG7? Neither of them have posted yet on D3 and it's been about a week now..

[betiko]

Could the mod please prod jimfinn & SG7? Neither of them have posted yet on D3 and it's been about a week now..

agreed!! I'm personally on sg7's back and we are all waiting for jimfinn's important feedback, it's blocking the game... and they haven't posted at the end of day 2 either..

[chapcrap]

Could the mod please prod jimfinn & SG7? Neither of them have posted yet on D3 and it's been about a week now..

agreed!! I'm personally on sg7's back and we are all waiting for jimfinn's important feedback, it's blocking the game... and they haven't posted at the end of day 2 either..

jimfinn especially! SG7 might just need to be replaced. He's disappeared from the forum a bit.