[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[MoB Deadly]

Ow yeah, safari, when is SG7 going to be replaced?

PMing my reserves right now.

Ok, great!

Haha the replacement should go...

Day 2 - tl;dr haha

I almost feel bad!

[betiko]

what does "tl dr" means mob?
well not cool for him but last time he posted was on the 17th, last time he logged was on the 24th, so not cool for us either. There is a week during which he didn't even bother to post anything nor saying he wouldn't be able to log for a while or post much like trini did.
I come to the conclusion he is not the busdriver nor the roleblocker

[MoB Deadly]

tl;dr means "Too Long; Didn't Read"

I meant I feel bad for the replacement who has to sift through 74 pages of lloonnnggg posts of ddeebbattee - I don't think I could do it!

[betiko]

oh yeah definitely! he's going to hate us for that day 2, mostly after rodion's claim lol.
If we really are going to change SG7 I might give a break to the new guy.

UNVOTE

haven't heard much from medefe lately by the way. and is trini back?

[Leitz]

Good luck to the new guy and congrats already if he manages to read through ALL the pages, one hell of a task that!

[trinicardinal]

oh yeah definitely! he's going to hate us for that day 2, mostly after rodion's claim lol.
If we really are going to change SG7 I might give a break to the new guy.

UNVOTE

haven't heard much from medefe lately by the way. and is trini back?

ok folks I am not fully back but at least I have read and am caught up... it sucks that jim was roleblocked. Frankly I was hoping that it was simpler for us and that there was no roleblocker in the game. Unfortunately that is not the case now. sg7 definitely needs to be replaced and I do feel sorry for his replacement but I hope he does go through all the pages. strike rightly feels that he would have been the next to be pressured and given all that has happened I would like to get some answers from him. Based on day 2 I would put strike at either town power role or scum (whether plain scum or power scum). Quite frankly I'm beginning to have my doubts about the town part so

Vote strike wolf - who are you strike?

for clarification btw I have 2 sitters keeping an eye on my cc games for me cos I never know when I will be able to log in. I expect to be able to maintain a more regular presence from the 9th. I'll try my best to login and check here more often though

[strike wolf]

@shield: Half of what you posted has already been shown to be flawed. One part of your post is bogus reasoning and I've already warned you of this once but DON'T JUDGE THE BALANCE OF THIS GAME BASED ON THE BALANCE OF ANOTHER GAME HOSTED BY A DIFFERENT MOD. I really should FOS you just for that. I haven't been suggesting a no lynch. I've been suggesting that Rodion hammer himself. If Rodion refuses than one of the volunteers (preferably Chap) to hammer. That way no one else has to claim. So yes...you're post has little more than zero value.

Chap's already volunteered. The other option is you self-hammer and then there's zero chance of killing two townies in one move but I'm interested in seeing chap follow through with it.

It's decided. Strike will be hammering me after I finish my back-and-forth with Jonty.

*Yawn* you should think of what you're suggesting Rodion. You're basically either forcing the person that you want to hammer to claim in order to get town to reconsider or you're forcing someone to hammer without a suggestion. If Chap wants to hammer I'm fine with it. I'm very interested in seeing if he's actually willing to risk it or if he's bluffing. I'm not so inclined to hammer anyone and you can spin this whatever way you want but unless you know for a fact that there's a role here that can force my vote there's a 0% chance that I'll be hammering you. If I get vigged for this sentiment I don't care. I really feel you've misplayed your role if we're going to hammer you and you're telling the truth and I think the only legitimate options are to go the safe route and hammer yourself or for the person who's already volunteered hammer you. For one thing you said it yourself that we shouldn't have a bunch of vanillas or other roles that have limited impact or negative impact to the game limiting the people that mafia has to choose from.

3. Chapcrap-for a while chap actually jumped Jimfinn mostly for what's happened on the last couple pages. I agree with most of what he has said regarding rodion and I still get the impression his case on trini was an earnest attempt at scum hunting but his posts the last couple pages have shown evidence of skimming and a couple other odd behaviors. He explained his reasoning well enough that I am not going to get into detail but I will keep an eye on him.

From last Friday.

How many times do I have to say it Rodion? There's no chance I am going to hammer you. zero, nil, none, zilch.

Yes I'm willing to take the chance that the vig is either non-existant or that he will decide to give me a chance to defend myself tomorrow or that I might be busdriven with the mafia's target whatever over hammering you and the chance that you're a bomb.

perhaps this will answer some questions. If not I'll explain in the morning.

[betiko]

3. Chapcrap-for a while chap actually jumped Jimfinn mostly for what's happened on the last couple pages. I agree with most of what he has said regarding rodion and I still get the impression his case on trini was an earnest attempt at scum hunting but his posts the last couple pages have shown evidence of skimming and a couple other odd behaviors. He explained his reasoning well enough that I am not going to get into detail but I will keep an eye on him.

From last Friday.

How many times do I have to say it Rodion? There's no chance I am going to hammer you. zero, nil, none, zilch.

Yes I'm willing to take the chance that the vig is either non-existant or that he will decide to give me a chance to defend myself tomorrow or that I might be busdriven with the mafia's target whatever over hammering you and the chance that you're a bomb.

perhaps this will answer some questions. If not I'll explain in the morning.

meaning a claim?

[trinicardinal]

lol... I hear you strike... for now UNVOTE

[betiko]

actually i tried to read between the lines as trini did and I kind of read a softclaim there, don't know if it's true or not, but it's possible.

[jonty125]

actually i tried to read between the lines as trini did and I kind of read a softclaim there, don't know if it's true or not, but it's possible.

Strike is softclaiming something but what - it doesn't matter. I don't understand what's going on with trini. One post he wants strike to claim after his softclaiming strike brings it up again and this time he unvotes .

vote trini

[strike wolf]

well trini seemed to get it not sure about anyone else. My refusal to hammer was more than just being stubborn or not wanting to. I softclaimed my character's name. I am Zero. As for why claim now. I had no illusion about not claiming today so I went ahead and name claimed. As far as my role, I believe my character is strong enough that I do not have to fully claim so I will let the mafia wifom it themselves.

[betiko]

well trini seemed to get it not sure about anyone else. My refusal to hammer was more than just being stubborn or not wanting to. I softclaimed my character's name. I am Zero. As for why claim now. I had no illusion about not claiming today so I went ahead and name claimed. As far as my role, I believe my character is strong enough that I do not have to fully claim so I will let the mafia wifom it themselves.

ok, i didn't get any of your softclaim then, i understood your post as if you were softclaiming vig! (the way you kind of meant there was zero chance you would hammer unless the vig blablabla made me think that you knew what the vig would do or not do because you WERE the vig).
guess the busdriver has a few more ideas for tonight (I doubt anyone will counterclaim zero, or it's a very strange play from strike).

[Leitz]

well trini seemed to get it not sure about anyone else. My refusal to hammer was more than just being stubborn or not wanting to. I softclaimed my character's name. I am Zero. As for why claim now. I had no illusion about not claiming today so I went ahead and name claimed. As far as my role, I believe my character is strong enough that I do not have to fully claim so I will let the mafia wifom it themselves.

ok, i didn't get any of your softclaim then, i understood your post as if you were softclaiming vig! (the way you kind of meant there was zero chance you would hammer unless the vig blablabla made me think that you knew what the vig would do or not do because you WERE the vig).
guess the busdriver has a few more ideas for tonight (I doubt anyone will counterclaim zero, or it's a very strange play from strike).

I was thinking alike!

[safariguy5]

Announcement

pancakemix has replaced shieldgenerator7.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

strike wolf (1)- chapcrap
trini(1)- jonty

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[chapcrap]

Well... I haven't seen the movie, but from what others say, Zero wouldn't be scummy. So, I guess with the flavor, I'll unvote.

[Epitaph1]

I've seen the movie and have a couple of ideas of what Zero's abilities might be. However, there is really no point in even suggesting the possibilities if we believe strike to be town.

[Leitz]

Announcement

pancakemix has replaced shieldgenerator7.

Ok, hope to hear from him soon!

I've seen the movie and have a couple of ideas of what Zero's abilities might be. However, there is really no point in even suggesting the possibilities if we believe strike to be town.

Agreed. Time to look for a new case for the moment. Maybe wait to see what pancakemix has to say?

[betiko]

Well... I haven't seen the movie, but from what others say, Zero wouldn't be scummy. So, I guess with the flavor, I'll unvote.

He is the main character's faithful dog and best friend. so yeah, for me no way zero is scummy or even neutral
Bah i've already suggested it earlier trying to guess characters/role, but a dog is flavoured watcher, busdriver, vig, could also be something else. we know enough.
but he is definitely not VT, and we all know from day 2 that he was either scummy or power role.
Unless someone counterclaims we can definitely close the strike case without even giving the role.
I think that the mayor and dr frienkelstein were characters I wouldn't ve taken necesairly 100% good for town, we have discussed it (and I was wrong for both), but the 3 "good guys" of the story are definitely jack sally and zero.

and welcome to pancakemix! seems like he is a very experienced mafia player.

[chapcrap]

Well, my two other options for today, after strike, were MeDeFe and Leitz. MeDeFe has been suspiciously quiet today while Leitz is just doing more of the same scummy stuff. For instance, a post with nothing of value:

Announcement

pancakemix has replaced shieldgenerator7.

Ok, hope to hear from him soon!

I've seen the movie and have a couple of ideas of what Zero's abilities might be. However, there is really no point in even suggesting the possibilities if we believe strike to be town.

Agreed. Time to look for a new case for the moment. Maybe wait to see what pancakemix has to say?

[pancakemix]

Confirm.

I'm leaving for work right now but I'll read up when I get home.

[Leitz]

Well, my two other options for today, after strike, were MeDeFe and Leitz. MeDeFe has been suspiciously quiet today while Leitz is just doing more of the same scummy stuff. For instance, a post with nothing of value:

Announcement

pancakemix has replaced shieldgenerator7.

Ok, hope to hear from him soon!

I've seen the movie and have a couple of ideas of what Zero's abilities might be. However, there is really no point in even suggesting the possibilities if we believe strike to be town.

Agreed. Time to look for a new case for the moment. Maybe wait to see what pancakemix has to say?

As I said, I'm waiting for pancakemix to enter the game (as in read through everything) and then I will consider what he said and with what happened on day 2 to say who I believe has some suspicion in my eyes. Besides strike claiming, nobody really has said anything of value if you ask me..

[MeDeFe]

Well, my two other options for today, after strike, were MeDeFe and Leitz. MeDeFe has been suspiciously quiet today while Leitz is just doing more of the same scummy stuff. For instance, a post with nothing of value:

*snip*

Let's pressure Leitz then. Scummy stuff > nothing.

[Leitz]

I can tell the pressure is increasing on me because of my way of playing. Although I understand why people believe me to be scummy, it's simply my style of play. A lot of 'useful' input does not necessarily mean town. Mafia can hide behind that too! But that aside, I have one person in particular who I have my eyes on as being scum. First one is dazza: during D2 he claimed willingly to hammer Rodion very shortly after chap already claimed he was willing to hammer:

This is going to go on forever. Lets just get him to L-1 and someone hammer. I will because I am pretty convinced he is scum.

Not even an hour later he posts this:

I already said mate. I am convinced he is scum. I don't care who hammers. Get him to L-1 and I will do it or Chap.

You want us to FOS those we want to hammer then when I do you worry about another claim. The only way not to get another claim is just to do it. So why f*ck around for weeks? Lets just get it done.

He was willing to hammer, but now it's either him OR chap. Then he posts some other stuff about getting on with it and to just lynch (several people, including myself, did this as D2 did got dragged along for a long time).

So because he is convincing he must be telling the truth?

We all know he is a good player. If he fakeclaims it will be convincing and he will fight to survive as long as he can.

If he is scum the longer this goes on the more info his scum-mates will get.

Reading this gives me a feeling of "I know I'm scum, so I know who else is scum and it's not Rodion, so let's get another townie out of the way"

Lets just do it then. Someone vote now and I will hammer.

This post my be the only one to convince me he is not scum.

Swifte can you remind me why Dazza over chap? I'd look it up myself but I don't have time right now.

Well, I went through yesterday and re-read all of dazza's posts, which I would encourage others to do as well - while he's been active, for the most part his posts have been pretty short and just about every one is him hoping on whatever bandwagon we're on at the time, which is necessary to an extent on the first day but it's been a continued pattern with him, which just makes me wonder about his motivations. Then to volunteer to hammer an hour after chap really bugs me.

If I agree to a case I will jump on the bandwagon. So because I don't make massive posts I must be scum?

First of all, you volunteered to hammer, I was just putting forth my opinions on why you over chap. I'm not claiming to be certain either you or chap are scum, don't blow it out of proportion. I'm picking between the two of your because I agree with the thought that fewer new roles revealed today is a good thing.

Second, it's not the length in it of itself, but the fact that it shows that you've bandwagoned almost every case, including the 'Rodion-spoke-French' thing, which leads me to, as I said, just question your motivations. It comes across as following the group when it happens repeatedly, and sometimes it's a sign of scum willing to jump on any case, sometimes it's an innocent player, it's not proof in itself of anything, but whenever there's a pattern it's worth noting.

OK.

Here it seems like Swifte touched a soft spot.

Vote Count

Rodion (6)- strike, chap, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph
strike(1)- Rodion

We're letting this drag! Rodion is two votes away, so we either let dazza or chap hammer, correct? I trust neither of them really..

So what do you suggest?

Here I mentioned we had two volunteers willing to hammer. It did feel like chap got the preference from everyone to hammer now I reread everything all over again. As a volunteer to hammer, I believe dazza here should've said: "Indeed, put him on L-1 and I will". But he didn't, so it seems he really isn't that keen on hammering after all..

If Chap is going to hammer we need him to unvote. Then 2 more people vote then he hammers. Or someone vote and I will hammer. Not much time lets make a decision.

Now he's completely avoiding himself and giving chap his confidence.

If Chap is going to hammer we need him to unvote. Then 2 more people vote then he hammers. Or someone vote and I will hammer. Not much time lets make a decision.

I say chap unvote, I can vote and then dazza to bring him to L-1. Then chap can hammer

Lets do it then.

Might this be a little insight in mafia? Trini and dazza working together to kill two townies (if Rodions claim would've been correct)? As scum know who is scum, this could've been their best situation possible: having a town lynch a town.

are you guys waiting the last seconds like in speed games?? last thing we need is everyone to stay silent. fishy and unwanted things could happen, mostly because everyone wouldn't get their word. I m surprised we don't see strike or medefe since a few days, i've seen strike posting all around mafia threads. open your mouth people!!

What exactly do you want everyone to talk about? I think everyone is fed up with going over and over the same points. I say we should just do what we said so we can move on.

BCS would be chap to hammer, as that what we decided

WCS chap not hammering, dazza did volunteer as well so its not like a power role is at risk and we can give chap a good grilling tomorrow.

WWCS dazza unvotes and leitz gets to hammer, and so on.

I won't unvote. Why would I?

Guys I am off to bed now. I may be on before the deadline or I may not. I will not unvote. So either Chap will hammer or it will be me.

Here he does stand up for what he said, but there was still 13 hours until deadline so 'plenty' of time for chap to make the final move. Since D3 has started he only made 2 appearances:

Interesting point chap, I'll wait for strikes response before throwing out any votes.

Btw, correct me if I'm wrong, but dazza still hasn't posted in D3?

Yep I have nt posted today. Still not sure what to add. I think it was bad play by Rodion. The mafia got mega lucky with the kill. I need to look through again and see what I think. We need to hear from the cop too.

Half an hour after I mention his name, he returns to the surface.

SG7 might just need to be replaced. He's disappeared from the forum a bit.

He hasn't logged in his CC since Christmas Eve, maybe Christmas related absence

Christmas related or not I think he and Jim need replacing. If Jim is replaced does is replacement get the results he got previously?