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strike wolf wrote:Yes. If andy can provide information that maybe Spiesr did visit him. It brings a bit of credence to what Spiesr says. So at this point, I am undecided about spiesr's claim. If andy can provide believability to Spiesr's claim then I am much more inclined to let it go. If andy can't then it doesn't make it any more or less believable and I'll reexamine it from there.
I can't provide any credibility to Spiesr's claim.strike wolf wrote:Yes. If andy can provide information that maybe Spiesr did visit him. It brings a bit of credence to what Spiesr says. So at this point, I am undecided about spiesr's claim. If andy can provide believability to Spiesr's claim then I am much more inclined to let it go. If andy can't then it doesn't make it any more or less believable and I'll reexamine it from there.
I believe that Zimmah has confirmed that I visited Leehar last night. As for the logic behind my decisions, since I don't know if my actions will have positive or negative effects on my targets the actual amount of logic I was able to apply to my targets was rather limited. I tried to avoid claimed players (like Hippo on night 1) on the chance that I would end up killing or role blocking the person. My choice of you on Night 1 was more or less simply gut feeling, since the lack of information available at the time made it a shot in the dark for me. Last night I chose Leehar mostly becuase of his relatively low activity.AndyDufresne wrote:But, something strikes me as odd about Spiesr claim. It seems awfully convenient that Leehar was his "second night target," since Leehar of course is dead at the beginning of this day and can't contribute anything. I also wonder why myself (supposedly) and Leehar (supposedly) were your targets? I'm curious as to what your rationale was behind your night action selections.
Hmm, I doubt that I have the ability to turn scum into town, as powers of that sort are most always pretty game breaking in one way or another. Being a power enhancer of some sort is an interesting possibility that I hadn't really considered. Andy claims my action did not have any noticeable affect on him that he was informed of. (Now that could mean of myriad of things that we can't be sure of at this point in time.) I will now try to explain things to the best of my knowledge (as musch as I can while trying to avoid getting into trouble for quoting my role.) Basically I have been told that I can use my rainbow of powers on players at night to cause some sort of effect. I have been operating under the assumption of my role being akin to some sort of variant on a JOAT, but I can't really take any possibilities off the table at this point.zimmah wrote:btw i think your role is either some kind of 'upgrader' that enhanches the role of other townies with a power role. or otherwise maybe it turns mafia into town (by giving color to the blackies?)
Apparently it is a secret and giving me spoilers would make the game less interesting...dazza2008 wrote:Did you ask the mod what your night actions do or would he not clarify any more than what he sent in the role pm?
I didn't know you were questioning it? I must've missed reading it. In any case, I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I'm going to review spiesr's posts, but until then:zimmah wrote:so you're not going to answer the question to if you're a vanilla or not andy?
So it would seem I was protected which is good. Why would you wany to lose the backup cop? I can't help town now but I will be of use if the cop is killed.BGtheBrain wrote:Im seriously totally lost here.
I dont know who or what to make of any of this.
1) I am the Town Vigilante - 2 shots
2) Last night I tried to kill Daz. I was told I now have 1 bullet left.
3) I didnt shoot anyone N1
4) the scene did not reflect any busdriving or my shot (Seriously, I didnt do any shooting N1, so the scene killer is different)
5) Im really fucking confused
6) ??????
This is all I got, Im hoping that this info can help someone make sense of this game.
Well I claimed my role at the end of day 1 so why not kill me then or try and get me lynched on day 2? I understand there was not alot of chance to do much on day 2 with a cop dead and someone who acted wierd on day 1 had claimed doc too.BGtheBrain wrote:Because I rarely trust backup anything (especially backup firefighterdazza2008 wrote:So it would seem I was protected which is good. Why would you wany to lose the backup cop? I can't help town now but I will be of use if the cop is killed.BGtheBrain wrote:Im seriously totally lost here.
I dont know who or what to make of any of this.
1) I am the Town Vigilante - 2 shots
2) Last night I tried to kill Daz. I was told I now have 1 bullet left.
3) I didnt shoot anyone N1
4) the scene did not reflect any busdriving or my shot (Seriously, I didnt do any shooting N1, so the scene killer is different)
5) Im really fucking confused
6) ??????
This is all I got, Im hoping that this info can help someone make sense of this game.)
Doesnt make sense for backup cop in this game.
I am not bulletproof so somebody protected me or you were roleblocked. How do you know you were not roleblocked? Most mods only tell you you were blocked if you need to know it(investigative roles). A Vig does not need to be told he was blocked or not does he?BGtheBrain wrote:N1 kill for town vig is rarely good (I dont agree, but thats the general consensus)dazza2008 wrote:Well I claimed my role at the end of day 1 so why not kill me then or try and get me lynched on day 2? I understand there was not alot of chance to do much on day 2 with a cop dead and someone who acted wierd on day 1 had claimed doc too.
D2 was all about hippo. He was a much more viable target at the time and I felt one of you 2 were lying. I thought Hippo was gonna get a chance to at least talk before being lynched, but he was lynched before he could. So I figured Id use my power to shoot someone (you) and you survived.
The last game of MoBs I was in, here was how the godfather worked.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p3426377Anyways, I think its funny you didnt die, but I wasnt roleblocked. Youre backup cop claim will buy you enough time here. Im not falling for it.Hello [name], You are the Mafia Godfather . You have the ability to kill one person per night. You are immune at night and undetectable. You may converse with the other members of the mafia at night in secret.
vote Dazza for being the scumlord godfather
Doesn't make senseBGtheBrain wrote: Because I rarely trust backup anything (especially backup firefighter
Doesnt make sense for backup cop in this game.
I realised what it was a referance to. But I don't understand why my role does not make sense to you in this game. What would make sense to you? So far it has not made a lot of sense at all and I never expected it to from the opening post.BGtheBrain wrote:It was a clear reference to the last game in our clan forum where I claimed backup FF and was the arsonist....
Like I said. Would you be told if you were blocked? You must have been blocked or someone protected me. In a game this size would there be another protective role? I'm not so sure so I think you must have been blocked. Or you are lying but that seems unlikely to me.BGtheBrain wrote:I dont know man, its all I got.dazza2008 wrote:I realised what it was a referance to. But I don't understand why my role does not make sense to you in this game. What would make sense to you? So far it has not made a lot of sense at all and I never expected it to from the opening post.BGtheBrain wrote:It was a clear reference to the last game in our clan forum where I claimed backup FF and was the arsonist....
Im totally lost here with nothing to go on.
I wasnt told I was blocked, youre alive.
You claimed cop, not bulletproof nothing.
the scene didnt say anything about busdriving.
Im trying to contribute, but like I said Im totally lost.....
scumbag
Well, this is an interesting turn of events.BGtheBrain wrote:Im totally lost here with nothing to go on.
I wasnt told I was blocked, youre alive.
You claimed cop, not bulletproof nothing.
the scene didnt say anything about busdriving.
Im trying to contribute, but like I said Im totally lost.....
I have a question for you Dazza. Leehar was a cop and died last night. So, have you been informed if your abilities are now active?dazza2008 wrote:So it would seem I was protected which is good. Why would you wany to lose the backup cop? I can't help town now but I will be of use if the cop is killed.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
AndyDufresne wrote:I didn't know you were questioning it? I must've missed reading it. In any case, I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I'm going to review spiesr's posts, but until then:zimmah wrote:so you're not going to answer the question to if you're a vanilla or not andy?
FOS: Spiesr
--Andy
I have not been told that I have any abilities. I assume that there is a sane cop. Should I ask the mod or would he let me know straight away if I had abilities?spiesr wrote:I have a question for you Dazza. Leehar was a cop and died last night. So, have you been informed if your abilities are now active?
i also think a backup cop, a naive cop and a sane cop would be quite much, but i can't say for sure if dazza is lying. it seems like a good case though.BGtheBrain wrote:With a naive cop, I would bet there is another variation of cop, that is not backup cop.
Daz is a liar.
lynch him.
case closed
spiesr wrote:I wouldn't if I were you. Your votes makes the fourth one on Andy now. Some people don't like when one person gets too many votes during the joke-vote stage. Accordingly they my turn their attentions some of the later votes whom they will consider to have been either: careless/skimming, bandwagoning, or too eager to get a lynch. One day one where we have essentially nothing to go on, anything people can hold against you can quickly turn to pressure, and pressure can quickly get dangerous for those it is on. On day one, once you get a certain amount of pressure there are basically only three ways it can come off. Someone else can say something even more stupid/scummy and have the pressure directed towards them; you can make a successful defense and/or claim; you get lynched.thehippo8 wrote:No trust without bananas ... not even byTeam CCers?
unvote vote Andy
spiesr wrote:Not exactly, if someone prematurely hammers it means that are being stupid, not necessarily that they are scum. They could be scum stupidly trying to kill of a townies, they could simply not be paying attention and not know they are hammer, they could simply be stupid and just want to hurry things along. There are several possibilities, not all of them actually mean that the person who hammered is scum. (Smart scum would think twice being prematurely hammering unless they are at LYLO.)dazza2008 wrote:If there is a hammer out of the blue it would most certainly be scum who did it so whats the worry?
spiesr wrote:If we lynch him now, what do we gain? (Besides him being gone.zimmah wrote:he asked not to be replaced yet he refuses to post, that's just stupid and lynchworthy to me.
spiesr wrote:Well, being that at least 90% of the "case" against Shield was that he was going to be useless, and that Strike probably won't be, I don't see why we would unless a deadline comes up on us really fast and we decide that that lynch is better than no lynch.zimmah wrote:we can decide after his post if we still want to lynch him.
This one is particularly interesting, since it seems as if he's fishing around to see if there is another Doc. out there, to get them to take the bait and make a claim...spiesr wrote:Because Doctor is such a ubiquitous role in these games I can only think of two reasons a scum would fake-claim doc. Both are only likely to occur when the scum doesn't have a good fake-claim prepared.dazza2008 wrote:I am not the most experienced player but to me a doc claim is believable almost 100% of the time.
1. A risky gamble on there not being a Doc in the game. If successful the payoff can be great.
2. To lure out the real Doc.So, what is the real doctor to due in such a situation? His options basically amount to either counter-claiming and accepting the trade of the doc for a scum, or not doing anything about it and letting the scum walk free for a significant amount of time. I suppose he could also argue for the claimed person's lynch without making a counter-claim, but such an attempt would probably either futile, considered scummy, or seen through quickly.BGtheBrain wrote:Claiming Doc if he is scum is one way to try to get the REAL doc to out himself.
A good doc wouldnt counter on D1, instead lay low for a day or 2.
if someone dies and flips doc, Hippo is a goner.
Im not saying he is lying or telling the truth, Im undecided.
spiesr wrote:Do it! Do it! But, anyhow that little bandwagon sure moved quickly, I wonder if any part of it could be suspicious. But, anyway, at least something happened now...Victor Sullivan wrote:Speed lynch! Nonononono! Don't do that.
spiesr wrote:So, while we are waiting for Shield to come a fail at making convincing justification for us not to just lynch him, does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss? As much as I am probably going to be fine with simply knocking off Shield as the day 1 lynch (barring certain role claims), we really should try to get some legit discussion in before the day ends...
spiesr wrote:The counter to that is, look at what Shield has done so far. He comes coming in and indicating he doesn't want to be replaced. He says he is rereading, but apparently he can manged more than a few pages in one sitting? If this is all he can offer, he is going to simply be dead weight the rest of the game.Iron Butterfly wrote:Ok SG7 is back and reading up so there is no reason to be lynching him. NONE. He has said he is reading up and he is here. We can not lynch him on the grounds that he is inactive. If then starts to submarine...we can cover that when its an issue. For now..for day one I think SG7 being a no show is now a moot issue.
If the trend continues then I think we can seriously reconsider it at a later date.
This is also interesting because he got to cast the deciding vote for a lynch on Hippo---probably what he wanted.spiesr wrote:Normally I would want to hear from Hippo before we go forward with this lynch, but at this point I don't know if it is going to happen. In the interest of keeping things moving I will drop the hammer now. Vote Hippo
You may be onto something, BG, though we should take a look at Spiesr, he may cop a plea.BGtheBrain wrote:With a naive cop, I would bet there is another variation of cop, that is not backup cop.
Daz is a liar.
lynch him.
case closed
