Should This Pig Be Charged With Assault?

[thegreekdog]

NightStrike and Phatscotty - these are the kinds of issues that make me not agree with you or support you on political issues. You thump your chests in the name of individual liberty and the Constitution, but fail to see anything wrong with this particular event. Therefore... I call...

HYPOCRISY!

It's a good thing you are both members of the establishment, big government, small liberty Republican Party. Come join the real conservatives when you're ready.

[AAFitz]

Id love to give this a short answer, but even though it lasted 3 seconds, I cannot.

Here's the thing. Obviously, what the cop did was wrong. He is a trained Police Officer, so he is trained against losing impulse control in such situations, so he should have been able to control himself.

However, the normal reaction for someone kicking you, anyone, really would be to strike back, so its very difficult to accuse him of assault, because it was a ...knee jerk reaction, that couldn't even possibly have involved any thought. If I kicked a police officer, I would have expected worse. Again, Im not saying its fully justified, but as trained as these guys are, there is almost no way to cut out all human emotion.

So, he is guilty of being an ass. He kicked a woman in the head, and really could have done some real damage, when realistically, there is almost no way she could not have. However, I think any punishment considered, simply has to give him some benefit of the doubt, especially since while really not to much, there is no question that a strike to the shin will absolutely evoke an adrenaline rush from the pain, and again, everyone's human.

So, because of the situation, and ignoring her calling him an asshole, since that is technically covered by free speech...ie. He is a representative of the government and she is allowed to call him an asshole, however assholish it is of her to do so, I think some disciplinary action is called for. He should not be charged with a crime, but whatever punishment goes along with excessive force would need be implemented, because, he is trained against such reactions, and should have been able to restrain himself.

I think a case like this should be a warning to idiotic people that think striking a police officer is a good thing, and to cops that they really are held to a higher degree of conduct.

That all being said, any man worthy the label "man" simply would have backed up and laughed that off. He gives the overwhelming majority of good people on the force a bad name. I know plenty of cops and I know if I kicked every single one of them like that, they'd have backed up, and simply charged me with assaulting a police officer because they are the epitome of what the job entails. That guy is a piece of shit for kicking her in the head.

[AAFitz]

I don't know, maybe... she looks like a bitch.


Sorry that's all the constructive input I have on this one.

she most definitely does. what was she arrested for? honestly she looks like she deserved it.

Indeed. We should probably just skip the whole trial on this one, because clearly, she's looks guilty. f*ck the constitution, hoorah!!!

Why is it that worshipers of the greatest man that ever lived, and preached the most caring loving advice in history, are always so sure of themselves when they break every commandment ever stated, and justify hurting and neglecting other children of God?

This woman could easily be an abducted girl, stolen from her parents when she was ten, by some low life POS, hooked on drugs, made to be a prostitute, and simply used as a slave for a good part of her life. She could easily be the most tragic victim of the most heinous crime, and a person who supposedly worships Christ, the epitome of love in the modern world, simply looks at her and says she looks like she deserves a kick to the head.

This is why many atheists find your entire faith absolute hypocritical and an absolute fallacy, because if those who champion the faith so regularly, understand it so little at its core, how important or real can that faith be.

Granted, it could just be that you are a bad example, and like the cop, we should not judge people based on the bad apples in the bunch.

[barackattack]

tl;dr

[AAFitz]

tl;dr

Actually, you should be quoting yourself, not me, because I not only read it, I wrote it.

Also maybe you should check this out, if those few paragraphs gave you trouble...
www.Hookedonphonics.com

[PLAYER57832]

That all being said, any man worthy the label "man" simply would have backed up and laughed that off. He gives the overwhelming majority of good people on the force a bad name. I know plenty of cops and I know if I kicked every single one of them like that, they'd have backed up, and simply charged me with assaulting a police officer because they are the epitome of what the job entails. That guy is a piece of shit for kicking her in the head.

Change "man" to police officer and I fully agree.

Even in the wider world of plain citizens, kicking someone in that situation would not necessarily be considered justified. Likely both people would have been charged with something, though the one responding would likely have gotten a lessor charge and MIGHT have gotten off. Interestingly, if both were women, its statistically more likely that both would be charged. (violance in woman, crimes in general are almost always penalized more in women than men).

The point is as you stated. The woman is an idiot, deserved additional charges, but police are supposed to act better than that. That is supposed to be what they are trained to do... control people with the minimal force necessary.

[barackattack]

Any man worthy of the label 'man' would've taken her skirt off as well.
And his trousers.
Etc.

[AAFitz]

That all being said, any man worthy the label "man" simply would have backed up and laughed that off. He gives the overwhelming majority of good people on the force a bad name. I know plenty of cops and I know if I kicked every single one of them like that, they'd have backed up, and simply charged me with assaulting a police officer because they are the epitome of what the job entails. That guy is a piece of shit for kicking her in the head.

Change "man" to police officer and I fully agree.

Well, as sexist as it may or may not be, I meant "man "there, and am suggesting that even without a uniform, he was a pathetic example of a "man".

If I guy kicked him, however wrong it may seem, I would simply view it differently if he kicked him back. Again, I would expect nothing less in that situation myself, and would hope Id have the courage to defend the officer myself when I came to my senses...and puked up whatever it was I was drinking that night.

[AAFitz]

Any man worthy of the label 'man' would've taken her skirt off as well.
And his trousers.
Etc.

You should probably stick to subjects you have some knowledge of.

[barackattack]

Are you saying women are weaker targets than men, Fitz?

Pretty sexist, bro.

[AAFitz]

Are you saying women are weaker targets than men, Fitz?

Pretty sexist, bro.

Pretty presumptuous bro. I never mention strength or weakness once.

The sexist part, may be that I suggest men should treat women differently in physically and especially violent situations, but I suggest nothing about any strength differential.

[barackattack]

Why is it that you feel kicking back at a man is more acceptable than kicking back at a woman, then?

[AAFitz]

Why is it that you feel kicking back at a man is more acceptable than kicking back at a woman, then?

Many reasons, but as I suggested before, I fully doubt you could understand.

[barackattack]

Question = ducked.

[AAFitz]

Question = ducked.

Five posts up you suggested my post was too long to read. Why would I waste time actually explaining something I expect you would not only not read, but not understand?

More importantly, I already suggested it might be sexist myself, but most importantly its another subject matter altogether.

Click on that link for phonics I gave you, and when you can finish a few paragraphs, get back to me, and Ill explain then if youd like. Till then, don't expect more substance then you are willing to give, which at the current pace, isnt gonna be too much.

[barackattack]

You should be able to explain why it is unacceptable to hit a woman without resorting to a 400-word epic.

[AAFitz]

You should be able to explain why it is unacceptable to hit a woman without resorting to a 400-word epic.

Im not at all surprised someone like yourself would think so.

Or that youd consider 400 words epic.

[barackattack]

Question still not answered. Feel free to answer it with a 10,000-word dissertation if you really want.

But as it stands you're trying to avoid telling me why hitting a woman is any different to hitting a man. Almost undoubtedly because your view is underruled by some lump generalisations about 'men' and 'women', and because these generalisations are inherently sexist.

[PLAYER57832]

Question still not answered. Feel free to answer it with a 10,000-word dissertation if you really want.

But as it stands you're trying to avoid telling me why hitting a woman is any different to hitting a man. Almost undoubtedly because your view is underruled by some lump generalisations about 'men' and 'women', and because these generalisations are inherently sexist.

Traditionally, they are considered different because most women are weaker than most men. Also, it is still true that women tend to respond more with words and men are more likely to respond physically. (though those stereotypes are changing quickly). Plus there is this cultural idea that men are supposed to "protect" women (which also translates into "control" women).

However, from my perspective... I don't think they really are that different, except that size disparity does matter (whether its the man that is much larger or the woman.. its just that men are more likley to be physically larger than women). In THIS case, it is the badge that matters.

[AAFitz]

Question still not answered. Feel free to answer it with a 10,000-word dissertation if you really want.

But as it stands you're trying to avoid telling me why hitting a woman is any different to hitting a man. Almost undoubtedly because your view is underruled by some lump generalisations about 'men' and 'women', and because these generalisations are inherently sexist.

Im not trying to avoid telling you anything. Im specifically telling you Im not going to waste my time on it, and for the stated reasons that:
a. from your posts, I do not think you are capable of understanding
b. you considered my first post too long to read
c. it is completely off topic in this thread.
d. I already stated my opinions may very well be sexist, and that I only ever stated, it had nothing to do with weakness or strength.

Feel free to be annoyed by this as much as you want though.

Oh, and for the record, my view is not underruled, but your request has been overruled.

[2dimes]

Let's, get real. Of course there are some women out there that could beat down a lot of men.

Women for the most part are not as strong as men and don't do things that cause them to get injured regularly. When it comes to things that are likely to lead to injuries most women are too smart to participate. Notice there is not a single woman in Jackass that is doing the "stunts".

The cop in this situation went to far and made a bad desision. I do believe it's possible he reacted before realising fully what he did, but to be honest that is unlikely. Add in his history and I think everyone can agree he was out of line regardless.

I would not intentionally have kicked the woman in the video in the head. I might have check blocked her kick with more force but would have stepped back before countering. That leaves me open for a second attack. Not the best way to function when being attacked but I'm pretty passive.

[Woodruff]

I'm going to go ahead and continue to not feel empathy for her as she chose to kick the guy that arguably went too far. Should there be ramifications for his actions? Absolutely.

Sure, I can agree with this. I feel no sympathy for what happened to her, because even though it was too harsh of a reaction, it's not likely to have caused any serious problems and frankly what did she expect to happen? But as you said, he should feel the brunt in a hefty way.

[Woodruff]

However, the normal reaction for someone kicking you, anyone, really would be to strike back, so its very difficult to accuse him of assault, because it was a ...knee jerk reaction, that couldn't even possibly have involved any thought.

I disagree entirely. IF it was truly a reaction that did not involve any thought, then he needs to be removed from the force as no longer competent to carry out his duties.

[2dimes]

frankly what did she expect to happen?

I have to imagine she figured he'd be crippled by her kick and learn never to mess with her again.

Then the other officers would realise she's right that cop is just an asshole and she should be free to go with a humble apology. "Sorry ma'am. Here's a million dollars and some flowers. Won't happen again."

[BigBallinStalin]

This is one of those things that cannot be judged by merely applying the law.

This cops must be ready to react to everything, they are risking this life every day and if you think they should change the cassette if the already have the delinquent cuffed well you are being naive in respect of how human psychology works. It has probably happened to him the he had a drug addict cuffed and out of nowhere he put him in danger. That goes deeply into his mind for the next time he's in a similar situation.

And yes, the lady used in his favor the fact that she's a woman, and thought, "hey, i can kick this asshole and call him asshole and he can't do anything because i'm a lady and i work at an office".

When you take that into account you can really put charges on the officer. But the judge should give him some sort of community service for say 20 hours. Like "young man, i get that you must be ready for anything, but at some point, when your leg was in the air i bet you could have reacted and sort of stop the kick a bit", I'm going to to trust your intentions this time, but you gotta do 20 hours of community service"
(I watched judge Judy once)

1) A weak kick from the handcuffed lady is a very minor risk to the cop's life. His reaction by kicking her in the head was unnecessarily violent. It wasn't the correct action in further detaining her (e.g. putting her in a car).

2) We can't presume we know what she was thinking. I haven't read anything from her which supports your characterization of her.

As far as (1) goes, it should go on his record, and if he later adds to it, then a good case can be made about his brutality...