Should This Pig Be Charged With Assault?

[BigBallinStalin]

Regarding slamming the cop with "police brutality," I wouldn't immediately charge the officer with that, unless he has had a history of these types of incidents. For me, a one time instance could largely be the result of poor enforcement of professionalism within that police department. If that's the case, then it's the responsibility of the department to ensure that this officer is behaving professionally.

[AAFitz]

However, the normal reaction for someone kicking you, anyone, really would be to strike back, so its very difficult to accuse him of assault, because it was a ...knee jerk reaction, that couldn't even possibly have involved any thought.

I disagree entirely. IF it was truly a reaction that did not involve any thought, then he needs to be removed from the force as no longer competent to carry out his duties.

You might even be right, but I had a guy hit my finger with a hammer once, and the pain was pretty severe. I immediately pulled back to punch him, and I haven't thrown a swing in years, but the pain really just made me think I was under attack.

Either way, this was a one second decision, if that, and it was after being struck himself. As I said, he's a POS, and while cops very much must be held to a higher standard, this was hardly a total loss of control that resulted in any real harm. The entire details of the case would need to be known before really making a decision, but certainly some kind of anger management and psych evaluation is necessary regardless, and Im sure is standard protocol anyways.

[2dimes]

Here BB, I can't expect you to wade through my tro... valuable and informative posts to find the long version video posted by Symm.

Seems the guy has a bit of a history.

[AAFitz]

Regarding slamming the cop with "police brutality," I wouldn't immediately charge the officer with that, unless he has had a history of these types of incidents. For me, a one time instance could largely be the result of poor enforcement of professionalism within that police department. If that's the case, then it's the responsibility of the department to ensure that this officer is behaving professionally.

I agree police brutality is a completely different charge. It may be excessive force, and almost certainly is. As far as holding the department fully responsible for a one time instance, I think its only repeated cases they can be held responsible for. If the guy has a history, then the department is responsible, but if the guy just happened to have a bad day, and out of the blue, out of character, and out of nowhere made a mistake, there's no real way the department could have seen it coming, or arguably stopped it, regardless of their policies.

You can't seriously argue that systems can insure mistakes never happen in all situations? Certainly individuals are usually responsible for their mistakes?

In this case however, it does seem with a history of violence and lack of control, they are responsible, and no one should be surprised given his past. I feel bad for the guy. Its a tough job, its stressful, and often thankless, but given the history, Id say he probably will be looking for another job, and rightfully so.

[BigBallinStalin]

Regarding slamming the cop with "police brutality," I wouldn't immediately charge the officer with that, unless he has had a history of these types of incidents. For me, a one time instance could largely be the result of poor enforcement of professionalism within that police department. If that's the case, then it's the responsibility of the department to ensure that this officer is behaving professionally.

I agree police brutality is a completely different charge. It may be excessive force, and almost certainly is. As far as holding the department fully responsible for a one time instance, I think its only repeated cases they can be held responsible for. If the guy has a history, then the department is responsible, but if the guy just happened to have a bad day, and out of the blue, out of character, and out of nowhere made a mistake, there's no real way the department could have seen it coming, or arguably stopped it, regardless of their policies.

Suppose the police department took a very lax policy toward brutality and acting professionally. Do you think instances of excessive force by police officers would increase within that police district?

My intuition tells me that one's workplace has a huge potential in shaping one's behavior, which is why I think this problem could have originated from the police department.

You can't seriously argue that systems can insure mistakes never happen in all situations? Certainly individuals are usually responsible for their mistakes?

Individuals are, of course; however, formal and informal constraints can be upheld within any organization in order to create incentives which reward better behavior. I'm just wondering how much of a role that police department played in this outcome.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

omg guys. Has no one considered the poor officer? He may have suffered severe injury to his shin from the vicious bare-footed assault by that hulking woman. I tremble before her might, even bound and seated upon the rough concrete. And his standing among his fellow officers has been sullied by being attacked by this muscled mountain of a woman in front of them. His manhood must be defended. It was well within the norm to stomp that bitch out, otherwise his big toe may have been stubbed. Oh the humanity! Next you'll be telling me that the police shouldn't be arresting those dirty hippies who have marijuana on their person. However would they make their money?

-TG

[BigBallinStalin]

TG is right. I rescind all my positions ITT.

[Phatscotty]

NightStrike and Phatscotty - these are the kinds of issues that make me not agree with you or support you on political issues. You thump your chests in the name of individual liberty and the Constitution, but fail to see anything wrong with this particular event. Therefore... I call...

HYPOCRISY!

It's a good thing you are both members of the establishment, big government, small liberty Republican Party. Come join the real conservatives when you're ready.

or......

you hit a police officer, you get hit?

[barackattack]

c. it is completely off topic in this thread.
d. I already stated my opinions may very well be sexist

c - it is completely on topic. You seem to feel that the kick to the head is all the worse because she's a woman. I want to know why.
d - well there we go then.

[john9blue]

I don't know, maybe... she looks like a bitch.


Sorry that's all the constructive input I have on this one.

she most definitely does. what was she arrested for? honestly she looks like she deserved it.

Indeed. We should probably just skip the whole trial on this one, because clearly, she's looks guilty. f*ck the constitution, hoorah!!!

Why is it that worshipers of the greatest man that ever lived, and preached the most caring loving advice in history, are always so sure of themselves when they break every commandment ever stated, and justify hurting and neglecting other children of God?

This woman could easily be an abducted girl, stolen from her parents when she was ten, by some low life POS, hooked on drugs, made to be a prostitute, and simply used as a slave for a good part of her life. She could easily be the most tragic victim of the most heinous crime, and a person who supposedly worships Christ, the epitome of love in the modern world, simply looks at her and says she looks like she deserves a kick to the head.

This is why many atheists find your entire faith absolute hypocritical and an absolute fallacy, because if those who champion the faith so regularly, understand it so little at its core, how important or real can that faith be.

Granted, it could just be that you are a bad example, and like the cop, we should not judge people based on the bad apples in the bunch.

you really, really need to chill the f*ck out. i just commented on the way she looked.

would i use that as an excuse to kick her? no.

do i think the cop deserves no punishment because of how she looks? no.

you bring my own faith into this without even knowing what you are talking about.

firstly, i am not 100% christian and remain agnostic about some issues. i'm unlike most people in that i cannot bring myself to believe something based on anything other than empirical evidence.

secondly, if i was 100% christian, judging my entire religion based on my actions is fallacious.

thirdly, what circumstances does someone have to go through in their life for them to be absolved of the crime of kicking a police officer? just wondering what your cutoff point is. what if she was only a slave for 10 years? how about 5?

fourthly, you are completely fucking clueless about everything i posted in this thread. go back and read. i believe that both individuals involved in this incident should be punished for their respective crimes. i even made it clear that i don't know what the woman was guilty of; she simply looked like a bad person.

the fact that you brought up atheism so quickly shows how desperate you are to make a personal vendetta against me.

However, the normal reaction for someone kicking you, anyone, really would be to strike back, so its very difficult to accuse him of assault, because it was a ...knee jerk reaction, that couldn't even possibly have involved any thought.

I disagree entirely. IF it was truly a reaction that did not involve any thought, then he needs to be removed from the force as no longer competent to carry out his duties.

You might even be right, but I had a guy hit my finger with a hammer once, and the pain was pretty severe. I immediately pulled back to punch him, and I haven't thrown a swing in years, but the pain really just made me think I was under attack.

Either way, this was a one second decision, if that, and it was after being struck himself. As I said, he's a POS, and while cops very much must be held to a higher standard, this was hardly a total loss of control that resulted in any real harm. The entire details of the case would need to be known before really making a decision, but certainly some kind of anger management and psych evaluation is necessary regardless, and Im sure is standard protocol anyways.

impressive dodge there, fitz. i suppose if someone sneaks up behind me and scares me, and i turn around and give them brain trauma with a quick blow to the head, then i might not be guilty of any crime?

why is it that you are defending both the woman and the cop? do you think that anyone here is guilty? i guess you would you be okay with this kind of thing happening all the time?

NightStrike and Phatscotty - these are the kinds of issues that make me not agree with you or support you on political issues. You thump your chests in the name of individual liberty and the Constitution, but fail to see anything wrong with this particular event. Therefore... I call...

HYPOCRISY!

It's a good thing you are both members of the establishment, big government, small liberty Republican Party. Come join the real conservatives when you're ready.

or......

you hit a police officer, you get hit?

i agree with greek here.

scotty, do you think the cop did anything wrong?

[Night Strike]

NightStrike and Phatscotty - these are the kinds of issues that make me not agree with you or support you on political issues. You thump your chests in the name of individual liberty and the Constitution, but fail to see anything wrong with this particular event. Therefore... I call...

HYPOCRISY!

It's a good thing you are both members of the establishment, big government, small liberty Republican Party. Come join the real conservatives when you're ready.

Wait, wut? I just made a simple post that she kicked him first. I never implied that anything that happened was right or wrong. Heck, I don't even know if this is real or staged considering it is a 3 second gif posted by pimpdave without any citation or reference.

[pimpdave]

Wow, this thread revealed an awful lot about you guys. thegreekdog isn't an automatic supporter of jack-booted thugs, Night Strike supports beating his wife, and Phatscotty is a neo-con despite all of his claims otherwise.

[Phatscotty]

I don't know, maybe... she looks like a bitch.


Sorry that's all the constructive input I have on this one.

she most definitely does. what was she arrested for? honestly she looks like she deserved it.

Indeed. We should probably just skip the whole trial on this one, because clearly, she's looks guilty. f*ck the constitution, hoorah!!!

Why is it that worshipers of the greatest man that ever lived, and preached the most caring loving advice in history, are always so sure of themselves when they break every commandment ever stated, and justify hurting and neglecting other children of God?

This woman could easily be an abducted girl, stolen from her parents when she was ten, by some low life POS, hooked on drugs, made to be a prostitute, and simply used as a slave for a good part of her life. She could easily be the most tragic victim of the most heinous crime, and a person who supposedly worships Christ, the epitome of love in the modern world, simply looks at her and says she looks like she deserves a kick to the head.

This is why many atheists find your entire faith absolute hypocritical and an absolute fallacy, because if those who champion the faith so regularly, understand it so little at its core, how important or real can that faith be.

Granted, it could just be that you are a bad example, and like the cop, we should not judge people based on the bad apples in the bunch.

you really, really need to chill the f*ck out. i just commented on the way she looked.

would i use that as an excuse to kick her? no.

do i think the cop deserves no punishment because of how she looks? no.

you bring my own faith into this without even knowing what you are talking about.

firstly, i am not 100% christian and remain agnostic about some issues. i'm unlike most people in that i cannot bring myself to believe something based on anything other than empirical evidence.

secondly, if i was 100% christian, judging my entire religion based on my actions is fallacious.

thirdly, what circumstances does someone have to go through in their life for them to be absolved of the crime of kicking a police officer? just wondering what your cutoff point is. what if she was only a slave for 10 years? how about 5?

fourthly, you are completely fucking clueless about everything i posted in this thread. go back and read. i believe that both individuals involved in this incident should be punished for their respective crimes. i even made it clear that i don't know what the woman was guilty of; she simply looked like a bad person.

the fact that you brought up atheism so quickly shows how desperate you are to make a personal vendetta against me.

However, the normal reaction for someone kicking you, anyone, really would be to strike back, so its very difficult to accuse him of assault, because it was a ...knee jerk reaction, that couldn't even possibly have involved any thought.

I disagree entirely. IF it was truly a reaction that did not involve any thought, then he needs to be removed from the force as no longer competent to carry out his duties.

You might even be right, but I had a guy hit my finger with a hammer once, and the pain was pretty severe. I immediately pulled back to punch him, and I haven't thrown a swing in years, but the pain really just made me think I was under attack.

Either way, this was a one second decision, if that, and it was after being struck himself. As I said, he's a POS, and while cops very much must be held to a higher standard, this was hardly a total loss of control that resulted in any real harm. The entire details of the case would need to be known before really making a decision, but certainly some kind of anger management and psych evaluation is necessary regardless, and Im sure is standard protocol anyways.

impressive dodge there, fitz. i suppose if someone sneaks up behind me and scares me, and i turn around and give them brain trauma with a quick blow to the head, then i might not be guilty of any crime?

why is it that you are defending both the woman and the cop? do you think that anyone here is guilty? i guess you would you be okay with this kind of thing happening all the time?

NightStrike and Phatscotty - these are the kinds of issues that make me not agree with you or support you on political issues. You thump your chests in the name of individual liberty and the Constitution, but fail to see anything wrong with this particular event. Therefore... I call...

HYPOCRISY!


It's a good thing you are both members of the establishment, big government, small liberty Republican Party. Come join the real conservatives when you're ready.

or......

you hit a police officer, you get hit?

i agree with greek here.

scotty, do you think the cop did anything wrong?

Yes. He could have controlled himself.

However, police are authorized to use deadly force. As for if the cop should be charged, I say what I chest thumped "f*ck no".

If the woman did not kick the cop and the cop kicked her in the face, then "f*ck yes!"

[john9blue]

i agree with greek here.

scotty, do you think the cop did anything wrong?

Yes. He could have controlled himself.

However, police are authorized to use deadly force. As for if the cop should be charged, I say what I chest thumped "f*ck no".

If the woman did not kick the cop and the cop kicked her in the face, then "f*ck yes!"

which of the following would have been acceptable for the cop to do to this woman:

a.) kick her in the face
b.) tase her
c.) club her
d.) shoot her in the leg
e.) shoot her in the chest

[Night Strike]

Wow, this thread revealed an awful lot about you guys. thegreekdog isn't an automatic supporter of jack-booted thugs, Night Strike supports beating his wife, and Phatscotty is a neo-con despite all of his claims otherwise.

Just because I don't reply to your stupid question, you're allowed to claim something that's not true?

(Wait a second, who am I kidding? This is the person who makes up Tea Party Death Squads every day.)

For some dumb reason, I guess I'll answer your stupidity:

She kicked him first.

So you'd kick your wife in the back of the head if she did the same thing to you?

No.

[barackattack]

What's wrong with wife beating?

[Phatscotty]

i agree with greek here.

scotty, do you think the cop did anything wrong?

Yes. He could have controlled himself.

However, police are authorized to use deadly force. As for if the cop should be charged, I say what I chest thumped "f*ck no".

If the woman did not kick the cop and the cop kicked her in the face, then "f*ck yes!"

which of the following would have been acceptable for the cop to do to this woman:

a.) kick her in the face
b.) tase her
c.) club her
d.) shoot her in the leg
e.) shoot her in the chest

All are options police consider when attacked, but for this instance I would say none of the above are acceptable. However, returning a kick when kicked is understandable, not to mention the kick seemed extremely reflexive.

Hitting a cop is unacceptable too. The cop should be talked to about it and his history looked into, and the woman should be charged fully. However, the police officer did not commit a crime nor did he initiate force. He was defending himself and no matter what you say isn't going to change the reality that if you assault a police officer, you are going to be one sorry son of a bitch.

[BigBallinStalin]

Coercive violence always works wonders with adults. Look at Al-Qaeda and tell me I'm wrong!

[barackattack]

Coercive violence always works wonders with adults. Look at Al-Qaeda and tell me I'm wrong!

Occupy: protest for ages, get shunned by the media, belittled, ignored by anyone important and dragged off by the police. End of story.

Al Qaeda: one attack, worldwide recognition, provokes the entire government into action. Ten years later the odyssey continues.

Just sayin'.

[BigBallinStalin]

Coercive violence always works wonders with adults. Look at Al-Qaeda and tell me I'm wrong!

Occupy: protest for ages, get shunned by the media, belittled, ignored by anyone important and dragged off by the police. End of story.

Al Qaeda: one attack, worldwide recognition, provokes the entire government into action. Ten years later the odyssey continues.

Just sayin'.

Sir, please stay on topic. This is a thread about an incident of probable police brutality.

[barackattack]

Looks like probable police justice to me.

[pimpdave]

Does that mean it's okay to kick wives in the front of the head, but not the back?

[Johnny Rockets]

You have to know when to quit. You are handcuffed, and ass-parked. You swing at a cop?
Yeah. Big surprise that you get a boot in the mouth. Smarten the f*ck up.

If I walk up to your desk and flop my dick out on it after handing you a hammer, then I fully deserve the nick name "Flat-Head" afterwards.

In our twenties, we were pulled over and a buddy of mine got flat out ignorant with one of the police officers. They sent us on our way, then beat the crap out of him. No one was surprised or blaming the cops the next day when we found out. I think it's well deserved punishment for being fucking stupid. That alone justifies the hell out of it.

Johnny Rockets

[pimpdave]

That's a very interesting opinion Johnny Rockets. Now, let's pretend the guys who beat up your friend weren't cops, but a group of black teenagers dressed in a monochromatic scheme of either blue or red. Would you say the same thing?

What if it was a Tea Party Aggravated Assault Squad masquerading as an OWS Drum Circle of Peace who beat up your friend because he was mouthing off. Would you say the same thing then?

Johnny Rockets, what if that woman was an American soldier and the men kicking her were al-Qaeda? What would you say then? Obviously both Night Strike and Phatscotty support American soldiers being beaten and tortured, what about you?

[barackattack]

Or an Afghan woman being urinated on by American soldiers?