Italian Style Mafia Thread: FSO wins!

[codierose]

possibly your turn time for bed for me have fun oh your turn what was you up 2 last night you dirty dog

[safariguy5]

God damn, you guys post a lot.

First, @ Leehar, using "town" and "mafia" labels in this game is confusing because the Mafia here are the town faction (Think of the Godfather movies). So the cops are the scum faction.

Secondly, WIFOMing what roles might be town or not is really weak. I've seen scum doctors for goodness sake. I agree, certain roles are more balanced in one side or the other, but I'm not going to make judgments based on one thing or another. You really haven't said anything that would deflect my suspicions of you, and considering the first thing you did was OMGUS me, that doesn't really help your case. So my vote stays.

Anyways, to answer the question as to how codie could be cleared, we have to make a few assumptions.

All nightkills are scum nightkills.

jak is not lying.

Now, what jak is saying is that because he switched codie with Thegeneral, some sort of nightkill was directed at TheGeneral. Now, this could be a scum kill, a vig kill, or possibly some third party kill. Bottom line is that codie was targeted for some sort of kill Night 2.

Going back and looking at the results of Night 1 and 2, and given that we have 2 probably scum factions killed so far, I figure this could be a 2 scum faction game with the Mafia vs FBI and FSO. Which means that both factions have nightkills. So I'm tending to believe that codie was targeted by one of these kills.

As for the third kill on Night 2, we lost our hitman, which I believe is basically a vig role. So I'm guessing the vig thought he had found a scum member and shot one of the townies.

So I'm not 100% certain that codie is town, but I'm more certain he's town than the uncleared people.

Finally, some clarification. As hider, if I hide behind a scum person, I die. If I hide behind a mafia person, I live. If the person I'm hiding behind is killed, I also die (bullet penetrates him and kills me basically). Since I hid behind WW and skillfu on Nights 1 and 2 and didn't die, I conclude that neither of them are scum. Possibly third party, but not scum.

And yes, if the busdriver busdrives the mafia member making the kill with the victim, the mafia guy ends up killing himself.

[everywhere116]

Vote Count 1

jak111: 1 (codierose)
codierose: 2 (wildwilliam, jgordon)
Leehar: 2 (safariguy, skillfusniper)
jgordon: 1 (jak111)
Not Voting: 4 (MoB Deadly, sparticus, dazza2008, Leehar)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is 4:00 ConqST Friday.

[jak111]

Unvote, Vote Leehar

[codierose]

Vote Count 1

jak111: 1 (codierose)
codierose: 2 (wildwilliam, jgordon)
Leehar: 2 (safariguy, skillfusniper)
jgordon: 1 (jak111)
Not Voting: 4 (MoB Deadly, sparticus, dazza2008, Leehar)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is 4:00 ConqST Friday.

hey everywhere any chance you can post what roles the scum and third party have they know our roles but we have no clue what there are once we are dead

[everywhere116]

Vote Count 1

jak111: 1 (codierose)
codierose: 2 (wildwilliam, jgordon)
Leehar: 2 (safariguy, skillfusniper)
jgordon: 1 (jak111)
Not Voting: 4 (MoB Deadly, sparticus, dazza2008, Leehar)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is 4:00 ConqST Friday.

hey everywhere any chance you can post what roles the scum and third party have they know our roles but we have no clue what there are once we are dead

Nobody knows anyone else's roles. I'm not quite sure where you're getting this from.

[skillfusniper33]

Vote Count 1

jak111: 1 (codierose)
codierose: 2 (wildwilliam, jgordon)
Leehar: 2 (safariguy, skillfusniper)
jgordon: 1 (jak111)
Not Voting: 4 (MoB Deadly, sparticus, dazza2008, Leehar)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is 4:00 ConqST Friday.

hey everywhere any chance you can post what roles the scum and third party have they know our roles but we have no clue what there are once we are dead

Nobody knows anyone else's roles. I'm not quite sure where you're getting this from.

He wants to know what abilities they had (i.e. busdriver, roleblocker ect) I really don't think it would help to much though

[codierose]

thats it abilities the bad buys know they have got a mayor watcher etc we don't know nothing

[freezie]

Sorry guys for needing to be pulled back. Thanks edoc for replacing and not giving everywhere such a hard time. As I said, my internet access would have been eratic. I have been wrong.....It was completly annihilated.

Basicly, my internet cord died, and considering it goes throught 2 walls across 3 rooms ( and everything has been re-done last years, so a hole in the walls is not an option ) it wasn't exactly an easy task to repair..

Anyway, it's ( mostly ) repaired for now..Sorry again, and good luck to everyone.

[safariguy5]

thats it abilities the bad buys know they have got a mayor watcher etc we don't know nothing

I'm going to assume that FSO agent and FBI officer are basically just goons. The other roles I think are pretty explanatory. So no, I don't think we've managed to kill any godfathers yet.

[codierose]

was hoping mob dazza or sparta was going to add something to the claims they haven't so guessing thats guilt for now and leehar tried to put something together didn't quite work
so im going with you safari unvote vote leehar

[dazza2008]

was hoping mob dazza or sparta was going to add something to the claims they haven't so guessing thats guilt for now and leehar tried to put something together didn't quite work
so im going with you safari unvote vote leehar

I do not see why we should claim. You seem to be indicating that 5 are in the clear but in my eyes on Saf and the 2 he cleared are clear.

Jak is not proven as a busdriver and you are not clear codie. As I explained you are clear of being 1 of the killers(if Jak's claim is true) but you are not clear of being one of the others.

[codierose]

not asking for claim just some arguments against the claims that has been said i actually agree with you somewhat but why would the scum target me last night if jak is telling the truth. Thing is nobody has come out and pressured his claim and said he is lying so at this moment there must be some truth in what he's saying which leads to the 5 left of which some must be scum

[MoB Deadly]

sorry Im a little behind - will definitely post in here today

[dazza2008]

not asking for claim just some arguments against the claims that has been said i actually agree with you somewhat but why would the scum target me last night if jak is telling the truth. Thing is nobody has come out and pressured his claim and said he is lying so at this moment there must be some truth in what he's saying which leads to the 5 left of which some must be scum

Clearly not listening to what I have been saying. I will try again. If Jak did switch you it clears you of being 1 of the killers. But since on night 1 there were 2 kills and last night 3 it only clears you of being 1 killer. You could easily be involved in another 1.

So you are not asking us to claim What are you asking us to do then? I find it hard to defend against something when there is no actual accusation. All that has been said is that 2 were cleared by Saf hiding behind them.

[Leehar]

God damn, you guys post a lot.

First, @ Leehar, using "town" and "mafia" labels in this game is confusing because the Mafia here are the town faction (Think of the Godfather movies). So the cops are the scum faction.

Secondly, WIFOMing what roles might be town or not is really weak. I've seen scum doctors for goodness sake. I agree, certain roles are more balanced in one side or the other, but I'm not going to make judgments based on one thing or another. You really haven't said anything that would deflect my suspicions of you, and considering the first thing you did was OMGUS me, that doesn't really help your case. So my vote stays.

And I'm saying you Omgus'd me? I picked you out for partly submarining on day 2 . You're a vastly experienced Mafia member, so there's no doubt you can assist more, but you only made three posts within those days? Your subsequent talk after this quote also supports that, since you explained relatively clearly what was going on in a 3/4 page back and forth between the relevant parties?
So yeah, even if you claimed, you never actually explained this soft submarining of yours, wherein you just pop in to direct a bandwagon on other inactive members and thereby pretending to be active and influential when in actuality this post of yours is probably only the second of substance (with the other being a claim I'm still doubtful of since I haven't seen it's like previously, tho admittedly in a relatively short experience) in over 25 pages of input seems scummy when past precedence suggests you could contribute so much more? (I know there's another name for the argument I'm posing but can't remember it)
Again, omgus'ing me when you seemingly omgus'd yourself first seems weird, specially when it's with the same argument you used for your 2 previous cases (In your words "flying under the radar"? When I thoroughly believe I haven't!)

[codierose]

It was N2 codie, are you saying you did nothing. That in itself is odd considering this is mafia games and unless your vanilla then you most likely had a night action.

And again you deflected the question. But I will help You out, if you answer my question first truthfully, I will then tell you what I did on N2.

Now that sounds reasonable doesnt it. No more back and forth.

jgord you said you would tell me what you did last night i told you mine wheres yours

[safariguy5]

God damn, you guys post a lot.

First, @ Leehar, using "town" and "mafia" labels in this game is confusing because the Mafia here are the town faction (Think of the Godfather movies). So the cops are the scum faction.

Secondly, WIFOMing what roles might be town or not is really weak. I've seen scum doctors for goodness sake. I agree, certain roles are more balanced in one side or the other, but I'm not going to make judgments based on one thing or another. You really haven't said anything that would deflect my suspicions of you, and considering the first thing you did was OMGUS me, that doesn't really help your case. So my vote stays.

And I'm saying you Omgus'd me? I picked you out for partly submarining on day 2 . You're a vastly experienced Mafia member, so there's no doubt you can assist more, but you only made three posts within those days? Your subsequent talk after this quote also supports that, since you explained relatively clearly what was going on in a 3/4 page back and forth between the relevant parties?
So yeah, even if you claimed, you never actually explained this soft submarining of yours, wherein you just pop in to direct a bandwagon on other inactive members and thereby pretending to be active and influential when in actuality this post of yours is probably only the second of substance (with the other being a claim I'm still doubtful of since I haven't seen it's like previously, tho admittedly in a relatively short experience) in over 25 pages of input seems scummy when past precedence suggests you could contribute so much more? (I know there's another name for the argument I'm posing but can't remember it)
Again, omgus'ing me when you seemingly omgus'd yourself first seems weird, specially when it's with the same argument you used for your 2 previous cases (In your words "flying under the radar"? When I thoroughly believe I haven't!)

Submarining is relative.

First of all, this is an old school game with very tight deadlines, so I don't get out as many posts per day as I would if we had longer deadlines.

Second of all, I'm back in college (or uni or whatever you want to call it) and I don't always get to log on 5 times a day, and compared to some of the more prolific newer players, my posting is not as prodigious as some of the other games.

I'd like everyone to notice however, that instead of offering an alternative to vote for or bringing out a new case, Leehar is instead trying to attack me instead.

As for whether or not codie is town or not, it's true, he could be member of one of the mafias and was targeted for a nightkill by the other mafia. However, I believe that that is a case we can revisit later as we still have 5 people who we have no information on at all.

[codierose]

leehar L2 getting time for a claim
whats happened to WW hes gone quite

[Leehar]

I'd like everyone to notice however, that instead of offering an alternative to vote for or bringing out a new case, Leehar is instead trying to attack me instead.

I was just irritated by how you keep turning the case on me, and have somehow worked it around to mean that I'm attacking you instead of defending myself when I believe the former is true. I was only building on my case from Day 2, and was a trifle shocked to see you essentially 'clear' 3 people very quickly while not actually working to dispel the argument I had against you from the previous day, so I just was unwilling to let you slip under the radar.
Since you have seemed to respond to the assertions positively, and my previous argument also fell under wifom, I have to apologize to you, but you can't deny that you did initially seem to expertly side-step the issue so I had to call you out on it.

leehar L2 getting time for a claim

If you feel the need, then I will do so, I'm just hesitant to get involved in a mass-claim, when in the last 2 games I've been in, an early claim-set like that(and with more than half the participants left, this qualifies as such) has only led to the detriment of the town in giving easy targets for the scum. Just check what happened to the Interesting Mafia!
Nobody can deny I've participated actively in the game, so it just seems wrong for me to be an easy fall-guy when we have so many others obviously submarining...

[jak111]

Well Leehar, instead of complaining about it show us a case or something that we could bother with the other 4 for today's lynch. Show us or tell us some evidence that can point toward an agent/officer.

[SPARTACUS1974]

well i was going with codi coz i still dont think we know all that he is not scum , but Leehar is just moaning and complaining and telling nothing to help his case ,so with no defending im going that you are scum and just trying to pass the blame .so .
vote Leehar

[SPARTACUS1974]

i think thats L1

[skillfusniper33]

Unvote.

We don't need a quick hammer before he can explain himself.

I have no Idea why you would put him at L-1....

Yes this is a weak case, but we aren't calling for a mass claim, we just need to try and get some information out their to work with.

[codierose]

agree we still got time if we had something else to go on is there nothing else that anyone can add found out etc or can call out the claims that have already been given
still a couple thats not helping with this at all. Leehar will your claim help will it take the pressure of you agree with you mass claim would be bad but we are not getting anywhere right now. Whats the Likeyhood that there's more mafia good guys in the last 5 possible 6 thats including me like dazz says how many would there normally be in a 18 man game ?? What roles could be left framer serial killer doc cop vigilante traitor traker ???fast posted via nokia lol