Dazza's 1st Mafia - Mafia Win

[codierose]

ok can you explain why you believe her story and not my claim IB the only reason i see is that you say she's new

[Iron Butterfly]

Sometimes you have to go with your gut.

Heres why I feel Cod is guilty.

1) His quick jump onto Cat
2)Tenbar coming to his aid and convieniently feeding him an an alibi.
3)Cod, under pressure claims an investigative role. coincidence?
4) Cat points out how Cod is now trying to manuver into a position where if cat is lynched and turns Town he can say his investigation was flawed/framed...call it what ever.

Finally I have heard Cats defense and Cods.

cat wins hands down from what I have read so far.

Vote Cod

[codierose]

now its because she's new and your gut looks to me like sum defending your scum m8 like you did at the beginning of the day and if i remember correctly you started all the pressure on me if i survive i will be investigating you for sure.
firstly i never did jump on cat i posted a one line sentence you jumping to assumptions
did tenbar not vote for me if he gave me alibi i must have faked claimed so where's the counter claim.
Point 3 counter claim where is it
point 4 is the truth check my other game italian mafia still active
she is guilty in my investigation all i can say what is in my pm if its wrong there's only one reason for it either way i have to go with guilty unless theres proof she's not.
unvote vote cat

[dazza2008]

Vote Count

codierose(5) - pershy, soundman, tenbar, catnipdreams, Iron Butterfly L-1
pershy(1) - Nebuchadnezer
catnipdreams(2) - MoB Deadly, codierose

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[Iron Butterfly]

now its because she's new and your gut looks to me like sum defending your scum m8 like you did at the beginning of the day and if i remember correctly you started all the pressure on me if i survive i will be investigating you for sure.
firstly i never did jump on cat i posted a one line sentence you jumping to assumptions
did tenbar not vote for me if he gave me alibi i must have faked claimed so where's the counter claim.
Point 3 counter claim where is it
point 4 is the truth check my other game italian mafia still active
she is guilty in my investigation all i can say what is in my pm if its wrong there's only one reason for it either way i have to go with guilty unless theres proof she's not.
unvote vote cat

I forgot to add my final point, which I have stated already.

If Cat were Mafia, I would find it hard to beleive that they would target Edocil knowing Cat is already in the hotseat from hammering. Why would they bring even more attention to Cat? No I think she was set up.

[codierose]

ah there you go set up did i not say that possibly framed by any chance now i suggested that which cat said made me look more scummy now you've said it now does it make you look more scummy covering you tail by any chance IB
like i said im willing to believe that could be the case but would need proof that would have to come in the way of a claim from cat which your against so where do we go from here. lynch the cop you put me at l1 again something scum would do

[Iron Butterfly]

ah there you go set up did i not say that possibly framed by any chance now i suggested that which cat said made me look more scummy now you've said it now does it make you look more scummy covering you tail by any chance IB
like i said im willing to believe that could be the case but would need proof that would have to come in the way of a claim from cat which your against so where do we go from here. lynch the cop you put me at l1 again something scum would do

I am having a very hard time understanding your point. Im am not exactly sure what you are trying to say.

I am able to gather that as proof for your defense Cat needs to claim. She has said she would claim if forced to so that is at the discretion of the rest of the Town in who they beleive. I my self feel that it would only expose another Town role. If she is Mafia she would lie anyway so for her to claim would only hurt town.

Cat claiming would not prove your innocence one way or another.

I have said before that we have a 50/50 chance between you and Cat. Cat has presented the stronger case while in my opinion a strong circumstancial evidence has piled up on you.

[codierose]

again stonger case lol new and your gut feeling against the cops investigation ok if thats the case im going to call the hammer in a couple of hours let you pick up the pieces with your gut

[Nebuchadnezer]

Take a step back, everyone. Shouldn't the REAL cop have made a counter claim by now? This leads me in two directions...
1. Cod is the real cop.
2. The real cop is laying low so as not to expose themselves.

I personally would like to see a counter claim. I do not want to go on my gut and hope that#2 (above) is the case. This is a big role we're talking about.

If codie wasn't so dang scummy this would be much easier.

Scenarios:
1. We lynch codie. If he's cop, we lynch cat next day.
2. We lunch cat. If she's clean we lunch codie next day.
3. Don't forget that we still have pershy silently lurking about. He's gone rather quiet, don't you think?

I'll come back tonight to make a decision....

[Djfireside]

now its because she's new and your gut looks to me like sum defending your scum m8 like you did at the beginning of the day and if i remember correctly you started all the pressure on me if i survive i will be investigating you for sure.
firstly i never did jump on cat i posted a one line sentence you jumping to assumptions
did tenbar not vote for me if he gave me alibi i must have faked claimed so where's the counter claim.
Point 3 counter claim where is it
point 4 is the truth check my other game italian mafia still active
she is guilty in my investigation all i can say what is in my pm if its wrong there's only one reason for it either way i have to go with guilty unless theres proof she's not.
unvote vote cat

I forgot to add my final point, which I have stated already.

If Cat were Mafia, I would find it hard to beleive that they would target Edocil knowing Cat is already in the hotseat from hammering. Why would they bring even more attention to Cat? No I think she was set up.

Your point may hold water, I have mixed feeling on IB and can see their situation in one of two ways but no evidence on you other than this so we will see how that plays out.

We may be grasping at straws here. Will I agree with MoB in stating both of you look scummy at this point is relative. Codie played out their role as a defense which noone has yet to counter or give any point that they are in fact not the cop so I cant in good faith drop them now. Cat stands adamant that they are town which could lead to a framer in the mist and any good framer on the first day would frame the hammer since there is noone else to really hit on from day 1. Plus with the fact that Edoc came out with their comment would make sense. This leaves a bit of a conundrum.

Cat came straight on defense after the small comment was made, and by the small fact leads to take the inexperience card off the table as much as it was being played. I am tending to beleive they are town just on how things played out and while it has been stated a claim would put further harm to town out there, I agree. The situation seems like they are innocent but if the cop reading is correct that means they are not one set of mafia roles which would always appear innocent so who knows. The situation plays to their fav or in this though.

There would be something greatly gained from the claim which may squash this whole thing out but in effort not to continue my WIOFM statements, Im going for the allegid sidekick and one who seems to just jump all over the place. I can not in good conscience hammer the cop without a counter while I think I may see some other light I have to let it play out but going up another line, my vote:

Vote Pershy

My apologies I wrote this with going back and forth at least 7 times so may be a little hodgepodge. Ill gather my thoughts again when not at work

[Djfireside]

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[catnipdreams]

codierose is slipping and sliding all over the place; I too am having trouble following what he is saying, but there are a lot of words there about not really meaning this, or not really saying that. He DID point a finger at me, whether he formally said "FOS" or not, whether he actually voted in bold red for me or not. I responded as best I could; I'm not sophisticated enough at this game to, I don't know, dissemble in the moment, I guess. I just say what is on my mind.

Consider this: codierose fakeclaiming to be the cop, could cause me to claim, exposing my role, AND cause the real town cop to claim, exposing yet another Town role... A very nice opportunity for scum, and a very clever use of a dead man's last words. I think at least one of the scum players is very experienced at this game.

Bottom line: I may be newish to mafia games, but I am far from stupid in general, and I would NEVER have killed edocsil if I were Mafia aligned in this game. Would any of you? I don't think so.

We have some very silent players in this game; can we hear from them?

Whoa - fastposted by a lot of other posts - a framer? I'm off to read up on framers...

[pershy]

unvote

[pershy]

Woah! - we had a claimed cop at L-1. Let's give Codi a chance to prove he's the cop before we go lynching him!!!
I suggest we believe him for now and see what night one turns up. If he's lying then one of his voters could be the real cop, but as Nebe said the real cop would still be lying low and would have a difficult time countering without exposing himself - but I think it's too daring a claim to be false. At least we should give him a chance.

I see there's been a lot of attention towards me which is interesting but I can assure u there's no case there. On days 1 and 2 I usually throw a few FOSes around just to gauge reactions and there have been some interesting ones.

Not sure how I feel about Cat yet. I thought IB had a good point about her

If Cat were Mafia, I would find it hard to beleive that they would target Edocil knowing Cat is already in the hotseat from hammering. Why would they bring even more attention to Cat? No I think she was set up.

Some other interesting developments are unraveling and playing styles - some more aggressive than others.

[pershy]

Ok I had to go over all that again.
I think Codi is probably telling the truth as the claim is such a bold one. I've never known mafia to claim cop except once when they'd killed the cop and cleaned the body - thus town was none the wiser (we still won tho )
If Cat turned up guilty then I think we should go with that result. It's possible that she could have been framed, but I have come across very few games with a framer and they hardly ever chose the person who was investigated - the odds are kind of against it. So coupled with the fact that there probably isn't even a framer, and if there is then the odds of them choosing Cat are quite slim....so I'm gonna go with codi and
vote Catnip Dreams

[catnipdreams]

I think Codi is probably telling the truth as the claim is such a bold one. I've never known mafia to claim cop except once when they'd killed the cop and cleaned the body - thus town was none the wiser (we still won tho )
If Cat turned up guilty then I think we should go with that result. It's possible that she could have been framed, but I have come across very few games with a framer and they hardly ever chose the person who was investigated - the odds are kind of against it. So coupled with the fact that there probably isn't even a framer, and if there is then the odds of them choosing Cat are quite slim

I don't know how to respond to this - all I know is that I AM TOWN. That is a fact, and if I am lynched, you will all see that what I have said is true. From what others have said, there is some small possibility that codierose is actually a cop, and is faithfully reporting the incorrect result that he got. But it's also for this very reason that my vote is still on codierose, because percentage-wise, it is so much more likely that he is lying, rather than being interfered with in some fashion.

Again, I ask you: If I were mafia-aligned, why would I ever, ever kill edocsil? it just makes no sense.

[Iron Butterfly]

Ok I had to go over all that again.
I think Codi is probably telling the truth as the claim is such a bold one. I've never known mafia to claim cop except once when they'd killed the cop and cleaned the body - thus town was none the wiser (we still won tho )
If Cat turned up guilty then I think we should go with that result. It's possible that she could have been framed, but I have come across very few games with a framer and they hardly ever chose the person who was investigated - the odds are kind of against it. So coupled with the fact that there probably isn't even a framer, and if there is then the odds of them choosing Cat are quite slim....so I'm gonna go with codi and
vote Catnip Dreams

There is a difference between being bold and being desperate. If he were to claim VT he probobly would have been hung already. The one sure fire way to prevent immediate lynch is to claim Doc or Cop. No one wants to lynch one of those roles by accident. granted they will eventually be proved a liar as the real one will turn up BUT it buys time, reveals other town power roles and gives mafia an extra day.

I find very fishy that you are making what is common sense Mafia strategy into somthing Bold and Daring. Cod was at L1. The best way to saty alive is to claim a major Town power role. He did so.

[pershy]

Ok I had to go over all that again.
I think Codi is probably telling the truth as the claim is such a bold one. I've never known mafia to claim cop except once when they'd killed the cop and cleaned the body - thus town was none the wiser (we still won tho )
If Cat turned up guilty then I think we should go with that result. It's possible that she could have been framed, but I have come across very few games with a framer and they hardly ever chose the person who was investigated - the odds are kind of against it. So coupled with the fact that there probably isn't even a framer, and if there is then the odds of them choosing Cat are quite slim....so I'm gonna go with codi and
vote Catnip Dreams

There is a difference between being bold and being desperate. If he were to claim VT he probobly would have been hung already. The one sure fire way to prevent immediate lynch is to claim Doc or Cop. No one wants to lynch one of those roles by accident. granted they will eventually be proved a liar as the real one will turn up BUT it buys time, reveals other town power roles and gives mafia an extra day.

I find very fishy that you are making what is common sense Mafia strategy into somthing Bold and Daring. Cod was at L1. The best way to saty alive is to claim a major Town power role. He did so.

Well good point IB - but I haven't seen SUCH a bold strategy b4. I've seen mafia claim back ups etc but not cop (except that once). Even if you're desperate it doesn't seem like a good strategy to claim a role that can so easily be countered.
You've got me doubting tho....
I am willing to change my vote if that is the consensus. The important thing is that we have something to go on for day 3 even if we get an innocent lynch 1st - but it would be pretty bad if that innocent lynch was actually our cop.

[pershy]

One thing that hasn't been considered is that Codi could be a paranoid cop if telling the truth.
Just sayin that it's worth considering
There are sooo many angles to consider it boggles the mind...so many variables.

The main reason for saying this is that mafia scum bags could so easily be lying low while certain players are getting all the attention...and we shouldn't forget ALL the playes involved. It's easy to fall into a tendency of focusing on certain players and forgetting the quiet ones.

I'm still leaning towards wanting to trust codi's claim and take it from there....

[pershy]

OK - gone over it AGAIN, And Catnip's defense at 1st against Codi is - "No I am town therefore you are lying" which rather lame, and then says

I don't know how to respond to this - all I know is that I AM TOWN. That is a fact, and if I am lynched, you will all see that what I have said is true.

I love it when people say "that is a fact" - as if we can all believe it's an objective fact. (It's only a fact when you're dead and revealed )

Well now I'm thinkin - I wanna find out if it's true! If Catnip's tellin the truth then I'm sorry and will go over everything u said with a fine tooth-comb, but right now it just doesn't ring true to me, so my vote stands for now.

[catnipdreams]

Well now I'm thinkin - I wanna find out if it's true! If Catnip's tellin the truth then I'm sorry and will go over everything u said with a fine tooth-comb, but right now it just doesn't ring true to me, so my vote stands for now.

While I can appreciate that me simply saying I am telling the truth is, well, not exactly a good case for me proving that I am telling the truth in a Mafia game , that comment was more about me trying to figure out who is scum and who is not. I don't want to lynch the town cop either! But I absolutely know that codierose is either wrong about his result (low percentage possibility), or is lying about being a cop (high percentage possibility).

Going over what I've said with a fine tooth comb after I am dead is a waste of time; I only know my alignment and my role. I really don't see that what I have said "doesn't ring true"; why do you believe codierose so easily? FOS pershy; not because he believes codierose is telling the truth per se, but because he isn't really questioning codierose's claim at all. It doesn't make sense that I am mafia aligned, yet pershy isn't addressing that at all.

Actually, is anyone addressing that? Someone please actually refute my assertion that it simply does not make sense for me to kill edocsil if I were mafia-aligned. Trying to read something subtle and revealing in my posts is a waste of time - it's not there. But think about the facts, not how I post - again - can anyone come up with a scenario that makes sense? I didn't have the experience to know all this would happen, but a lot of other players do, and could have easily predicted this. Why ever would a team (three?) of scum players agree to kill codierose, if I were one of those three players? If anything, it shows I am Town.

[codierose]

Actually, is anyone addressing that? Someone please actually refute my assertion that it simply does not make sense for me to kill edocsil if I were mafia-aligned. Trying to read something subtle and revealing in my posts is a waste of time - it's not there. But think about the facts, not how I post - again - can anyone come up with a scenario that makes sense? I didn't have the experience to know all this would happen, but a lot of other players do, and could have easily predicted this. Why ever would a team (three?) of scum players agree to kill codierose, if I were one of those three players? If anything, it shows I am Town.

first red bit the whole reason that you and the others think im scum is because how I post .
second red bit dont understand this statement im not dead yet.

cat look at it from scum point of view they have some sort of frame role who would you frame on night one suspecting that a cop would most definitely investigate you like i did.
now they have got 2 town fighting over whos lying leading into a claim of a power roll cop they must be smiling from ear to ear smug bastards. all they need is a couple of them applying a little pressure then everyones joins in well not everyone we still got some missing in action then all of a sudden cop on l1 job well done by them not a bads day work for them early on day 2
this is what happened in another game where zimmer got framed he got lynch flipped town even though he pleaded how innocent he was he still got hung final fantasy VII if i remember scum won in the end.
i personally feel at least 2 scum are from this list or even just one
pershy,
soundman,
tenbar,
Iron Butterfly
applying enough pressure to make me look scum like i haven't made that easy for them lol all i can say i am town cop what other reason would i claim it if i was scum i would never claim cop knowing that there would defiantly be one out there just dose not make any sense im far to new to be able to pull that off

[codierose]

sorry for second post
the more i think about it IB is right i dont think you should claim if i have a wrong read scum would get an easy second kill possible power role

[catnipdreams]

Why ever would a team (three?) of scum players agree to kill codierose, if I were one of those three players? If anything, it shows I am Town.

EBWOP - oops - that should read:

Why ever would a team (three?) of scum players agree to kill edocsil, if I were one of those three players? If anything, it shows I am Town.

[codierose]

so what do you think about what could possibly of happened