Debriefing of Game 10476657 (With Photos)

[Viceroy63]

[game]10476657[/game]



10476657 Game Log Round 01
[spoiler]2012-01-22 01:09:09 - Game has been initialized

2012-01-22 18:33:07 - kierkegaard_2 received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-22 18:33:14 - kierkegaard_2 deployed 3 troops on Mexico City
2012-01-22 18:33:21 - kierkegaard_2 reinforced Nairobi with 2 troops from Lagos
2012-01-22 18:33:27 - kierkegaard_2 ended the turn

2012-01-22 23:37:02 - Kiwi_NZ received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-22 23:37:05 - Kiwi_NZ deployed 3 troops on Beijing
2012-01-22 23:37:31 - Kiwi_NZ reinforced Istanbul with 2 troops from Cairo
2012-01-22 23:37:43 - Kiwi_NZ reinforced Montreal with 2 troops from Reykjavik
2012-01-22 23:37:49 - Kiwi_NZ ended the turn

2012-01-22 23:42:54 - bman8397 received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-22 23:43:44 - bman8397 deployed 3 troops on Lima
2012-01-22 23:43:57 - bman8397 reinforced Yakutsk with 2 troops from Anchorage
2012-01-22 23:44:01 - bman8397 reinforced Yakutsk with 2 troops from Magadan
2012-01-22 23:44:05 - bman8397 reinforced Yakutsk with 2 troops from Vancouver
2012-01-22 23:44:19 - bman8397 reinforced Magadan with 4 troops from Yakutsk
2012-01-22 23:44:35 - bman8397 reinforced Vancouver with 4 troops from Yakutsk
2012-01-22 23:44:51 - bman8397 reinforced Anchorage with 4 troops from Vancouver
2012-01-22 23:45:04 - bman8397 ended the turn

2012-01-23 16:57:59 - Viceroy63 received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-23 16:58:15 - Viceroy63 deployed 2 troops on Chicago
2012-01-23 16:58:33 - Viceroy63 deployed 1 troops on Johannesburg
2012-01-23 16:59:04 - Viceroy63 reinforced Delhi with 2 troops from Astana
2012-01-23 16:59:21 - Viceroy63 reinforced Delhi with 2 troops from Mumbai
2012-01-23 17:00:25 - Viceroy63 ended the turn

2012-01-24 11:37:51 - Fewnix received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-24 11:38:13 - Fewnix deployed 1 troops on Edmonton
2012-01-24 11:39:08 - Fewnix deployed 1 troops on Dubai
2012-01-24 11:41:20 - Fewnix deployed 1 troops on Cape Town
2012-01-24 11:42:20 - Fewnix reinforced Novosibirsk with 2 troops from Hong Kong
2012-01-24 11:42:51 - Fewnix ended the turn

2012-01-24 20:28:49 - ronshippau received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-24 20:28:58 - ronshippau deployed 3 troops on Port Moresby
2012-01-24 20:29:02 - ronshippau assaulted Sydney from Port Moresby and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-01-24 20:29:17 - ronshippau reinforced Perth with 3 troops from Sydney
2012-01-24 20:29:28 - ronshippau reinforced Port Moresby with 2 troops from Perth
2012-01-24 20:29:32 - ronshippau ended the turn and got spoils[/spoiler]

Viceroy63 Assessment of Round 01
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kierkegaard_2: As Blue, Mexico City would have been my second choice. My first Choice would have been Moscow. Moscow is prime real estate, right in the middle of all the action. Mexico City however insures my presence in North America. And with the reinforcement of Nairobi with 2 troops from Lagos, I would then have my 3 principle stacks to start the game with. But Blue did not go that route and began the game with just two initial stacks. Mexico City and Nairobi.
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Kiwi_NZ: I probably would have dropped 2 troops on Beijing and 1 troops on Buenos Aires. The logic is that if Three stacks is good then four is better. Also any potential BM would have to really earn that South America bonus zone. With the reinforcements of Montreal with 2 troops from Reykjavik and Istanbul with 2 troops from Cairo Yellow has his 3 initial stacks of the game.
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bman8397: Pink ultimately ended the turn with three stacks. One on Anchorage, 5 troops, one on Magadan, 5 troops and one on Lima, 6 troops. But Pinks initial start could have been just slightly better. Normally with a string of territories like how Pink had from Yakutsk to Vancouver, the best thing to do is to form stacks at their farthest extremes. That means one stack of 5 troops at Yakutsk and one stack of 5 troops at Vancouver. This would make the stacks difficult to get to and increase their chances of survivability. Also dropping 2 troops on London would have been ideal and only 1 troops on Lima for a total of four stacks. That is how I would have gone anyways.
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Viceroy63: My deployments allowed me for only 3 stacks. Chicago, Johannesburg and Delhi.
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Fewnix: Is obviously going for four stacks. But since Dubai is a prime piece of real estate, I would have dropped 2 troops there at Dubai and the third one on Edmonton as was done. Normally Reinforcing to Hong Kong would be better but in this case where Fewniz has Dubai Novosibirsk is the better choice as you do not want two main stacks anywhere nears each other. It limits their effectiveness and survivability.
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ronshippau: And with Greens deployment of 3 troops on Port Morsby and assault on Sydney, we see the beginning of BM activity in the game. Green also has a string of territories stretching from Stockholm to Dakar but does not bother to form them into stacks of 5's. Also there is another region, New York in which Green could drop a single troop on but does not. We should take note of this for we shall return to this in future rounds.
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Viceroy63 Game Form Round 01
[spoiler]
Round 01 Cyan to Play.

Link to Game: [game]10476657[/game]

Spoils to turn in:
None.

Next spoil set value:
4 troops.

Do you have a set of spoils?
No.

Your Plans:
Round 1. Receive 3 troops for 7 regions.
Deploy 2 troops on N4 and 1 troops on F6.
Reinforce A2 with 2 troops from A6 and 2 troops from A3.[/spoiler]

[Viceroy63]

I would like to point out that if you click on Quick Reply instead of POSTREPLY then you can still see the game map as you make your comment. This would be better for referring back and forth from the map.

[Fewnix]

Great job setting this up viceroy

Will not always post the training field, but people might find these excerpts interesting. The first turn I was tempted to go for a spoils but was cautioned against , by the F4 (First Four Moves) and a teacher who says the guildeines may not be in stone but...

Your Plans :Tempted to take one of the singleton terts- Vancouver, Lagos, Cairo, Mumbai, Lagos- for a spoils but the F4M says just deploy on first move. Particularly tempting would be to take Mumbai and fort Novosibirsk and Hong King to Dubai Instead, how about I deploy one on Edmonton, one on Bogota, one on Dubai, no attacks, and fort Hong Kong to Novo?

The point of the F4M is that they're just guidelines, not rules set in stone. One thing to note here is that if you were to take the spoil, you'd be neglecting the other areas of the board, and it's important to establish a foothold in NA early on. Dubai is also a great place to hold.

However, say you could fort to those spots and still have the opportunity to take a spoil. I'd greenlight that decision if you were strong enough in the other two places.

Here, though, your second move is the better one. Watch out for Bogota, though. Pink may be gunning for the bonus, so you might want to drop that troop elsewhere.

I suggest you drop

1 to N2, 1 to A1, and 1 to F5. Right, fort A5 to A4. (I like HK's position better, but A1 covers two of those terts already, so Novos is better here).

And people might want to note the warning that pink was gunning for the-South American bonus Is pink here?

[Viceroy63]

Reds drop were not the best in a way. Not location wise but that you could not build many really strong stacks right away. I was in the same boat as Cyan but I really wanted Chicago [N4] so I deployed 2 troops there right away. And from my other 3 single territs, I went with Johannesburg [F6] because of it's more central position on the map. As Red I would have dropped 2 on Dublai [A1] and 1 on Edmonton [N2].

The first round is about deciding what is the territory that you want to keep and which ones you are willing to risk. That is why we don't attack on the first round. But we did Ok.

By the way; as a strategy team member, did you see my article submission for the next issue of the SoC newsletter? I am writing about the first move. Are you submitting anything this time around for the SoC newsletter?

[macbone]

I added a link to the game by using the [Game] tag, Viceroy.

You know, it's an interesting feature of Bonus Monkeying, but they do tend to stick around until pretty late in the game. If your aim is to win the game, it's not as effective as the Escalating Juggernaut, but some tournaments give points out to 2nd place, 3rd place, 4th place, and so on. Being primarily concentrated in one spot limits one's offensive capabilities and makes it easier for the final elimination run, but the higher troop count does keep the BMs around in the game.

Nice initial positioning, Viceroy, on A2 and N4. O4 is a nice foxhole if no one goes for the Oz bonus.

Fewnix doesn't look too bad on N2, A1, and A5. Plus, with O1, he gets to decide whether he's going to block off Oz.

Looking down the log a bit, I see Green BMed Oz. Might have been a different game otherwise.

[Viceroy63]

Hi Macbone; Glad to see you could join the party. Have you tried the dip yet?

A link to the game sounds like a good idea but when you get there it's only one color. This thread will be an excellent teaching and learning tool because we can all see the game as it progresses and there is no time pressure to hurry up on the comments. If I see that everyone is getting into the conversation then I hold back on the next round. Or if I see that the conversation is digressing then I announce that the next day I will insert the next round and alert everyone in the game.

Hopefully as the game progresses we should see plenty of ideas being discussed here and several conversations at the same time. Won't that be a blast. I am also hoping that you will come by every once in while and give us your evaluation of the round. The best way to evaluate this first round however, is to wait until the 2nd round is posted and we see how everyone's initial move settled in and what in means for the players in terms of future moves and prospects. This should be very interesting.

[kierkegaard_2]

I was blue. First one out. I did not like my drop near SA and Oz.

I deployed Mexico City with the hopes someone would let me out into NA and reinf. to Nairobi with the hopes of getting out of Africa.

Looking back, I should have deployed Manila or Moscow.

Thx for posting.

[Viceroy63]

Thank you Kierkegaard_2 for joining the Party. I hope to continue to read many more observations about the game from you. Remember always that what we get out of a thing will depend on what we put into a thing. I see a big number on the views and a small one on the actual comment replies. Some people are just naturally shy and so they won't get much out of this. But hopefully as the rounds come and go and the game becomes more interesting they will comment more and more. Tomorrow I will be posting "Round 02."

I agree with your deployment to Mexico City [N8] and with that you should have deployed 1 troop to Manila [A8] as well.

[kierkegaard_2]

I think Mex City was a bad deploy. Unless you are a bm (I am not), I should have known that bangkok, sao paolo and mex city would be the 1st to get taken by a bm. Next would be lagos and nairobi depending on opp. drops.

That leaves moscow and manila. Manila is so out of the way, it's a natural place to sit and accumulate spoils.

[Viceroy63]

You may be right of course but in the very first round you don't really know yet who the BM's are, if any. Also you need to have as many stacks in as many locations possible. So you needed a stack in North America and the only one available to you was Mexico City.

Mexico City was a perfectly good deploy at the time rather then just giving it up at the start of the game. I am hoping to see if there were not any way to move the stack further into NA as we continue with this discussion in round 02.

[bman8397]

Hey guys, I was pink. I probably should've tried to spread myself out a little more instead of going all out for s. America. Probably for havana or london

[Viceroy63]

Hi Bman:

Yeah we ended up fighting for it all. Did you know that you really helped me in my game a lot? Oh yeah. In subsequent rounds I shall explain. But our fight was one of my most heart pounding that I have ever had in CC. Can't wait to get to those final rounds.

For now, Thank you for dropping by, presenting yourself and participating in the discussion; I am really glad to see you here. There is just so much that I have planned to be discussed as the rounds come and go. So many questions as well.

Keep coming back. It works if you work it so work it.

[Kiwi_NZ]

hi all (yellow)

still learning SOC term games,as you can see.
I think,maybe one on N9,insteed of three on A9 Beijing

2012-01-22 23:37:02 - Kiwi_NZ received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-22 23:37:05 - Kiwi_NZ deployed 3 troops on Beijing
2012-01-22 23:37:31 - Kiwi_NZ reinforced Istanbul with 2 troops from Cairo
2012-01-22 23:37:43 - Kiwi_NZ reinforced Montreal with 2 troops from Reykjavik
2012-01-22 23:37:49 - Kiwi_NZ ended the turn

[Viceroy63]

Hi Kiwi_NZ; Good intro. It's good to say your color in the game so we all can associate and remember. I was Cyan.

I think you had a good drop there at Beijing. I would have only dropped 2 there though and the other troop in S4.

I like to have more then 3 stacks if I can, more then 5 is just overkill. But with three good strong stacks, well, that's all anyone really needs.

Glad you came by and keep coming back. tomorrow I will post round 02.

[Viceroy63]

Round 02. Blue to Play

10476657 Game Log Round 02
[spoiler]2012-01-24 20:29:32 - Incrementing game to round 2

2012-01-25 08:19:34 - kierkegaard_2 received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-25 08:19:39 - kierkegaard_2 deployed 3 troops on Moscow
2012-01-25 08:19:41 - kierkegaard_2 assaulted Astana from Moscow and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-01-25 08:19:52 - kierkegaard_2 reinforced Astana with 4 troops from Moscow
2012-01-25 08:20:00 - kierkegaard_2 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-26 00:14:46 - Kiwi_NZ received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-26 00:15:03 - Kiwi_NZ deployed 3 troops on Istanbul
2012-01-26 00:15:11 - Kiwi_NZ assaulted Moscow from Istanbul and conquered it from kierkegaard_2
2012-01-26 00:15:21 - Kiwi_NZ ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-26 06:52:46 - bman8397 received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-26 06:52:58 - bman8397 deployed 2 troops on Lima
2012-01-26 06:53:11 - bman8397 deployed 1 troops on Havana
2012-01-26 06:53:40 - bman8397 assaulted Buenos Aires from Lima and conquered it from Kiwi_NZ
2012-01-26 06:55:53 - bman8397 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-27 06:55:53 - Viceroy63 missed a turn

2012-01-28 02:44:37 - Fewnix received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-28 02:44:51 - Fewnix deployed 1 troops on Edmonton
2012-01-28 02:45:09 - Fewnix deployed 2 troops on Novosibirsk
2012-01-28 02:45:18 - Fewnix assaulted Yakutsk from Novosibirsk and conquered it from bman8397
2012-01-28 02:45:29 - Fewnix ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-28 03:19:02 - ronshippau received 3 troops for 8 regions
2012-01-28 03:19:09 - ronshippau deployed 3 troops on Perth
2012-01-28 03:19:12 - ronshippau assaulted Jakarta from Perth and conquered it from Fewnix
2012-01-28 03:19:29 - ronshippau reinforced Jakarta with 2 troops from Port Moresby
2012-01-28 03:19:52 - ronshippau ended the turn and got spoils[/spoiler]

Viceroy63 Assessment of Round 02
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kierkegaard_2: Originally, Blue was going to stay on Moscow with a stack of 5 but then changed his mind for some reason. Sometime, even in these early rounds we see a potential target and we just want to be in position, just in case. At any rate and as far as I am concerned, staying in Moscow was the better option at this stage.
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Kiwi_NZ: We don't see it in the above map but Yellow did not advance any into Moscow. That was a good choice as Istanbul gives you access to all three continent.
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bman8397: With his assault on Buenos Aires (and conquering it), we see the beginning of BM activity in South America. It's official, there are two BM's in this game. A better move for Pink would have been to deploy 3 on London and conquer and card on Reykjavik, advancing none and maintaining that stack on London.
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Viceroy63: I missed a turn. That says it all.
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Fewnix: Red chose to card on Yakutsk. I probably would have gone with Cairo myself as A1 would be my Primary Stack so I would always try and maintain it the largest stack. It is primary because of it's more central location.
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ronshippau: And with the conquering of Jakarta, Green has his Oceania Bonus zone established in only two rounds. Still he pays not attention to his string of territories to form them into nice survival stacks with offensive capabilites.
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Viceroy63 Game Form for Round 02
[spoiler]Link to Game: [game]10476657[/game]

Spoils to turn in:
None.

Next spoil set value:
4 troops.

Do you have a set of spoils?
No.

Your Plans:
Round 2. Receive 3 troops for 5 regions.
I believe that I should move my Stack on A2 to E6. At the same time I card there.
Also to deploy 1 troop on my 3 other stacks.

Deployments:
1 on N4
1 on F6
1 on A11

Assaults:
E6 from A2, advancing all.

Reinforcements:
None.

Comments/Questions:
Pink is in Basic training field 3. Yet he is playing uncharacteristically of an SoC instructor. As I understand it? He set up a stacks on A12 and another on N1. I would have thought it best to place my two stacks at the farthest extremes of the string of turts. At least that is what an SoC instructor taught me. The benefits of having stacks as far apart as possible for the most damage and protection. I am just wondering if there are exceptions to that rule for doing what Pink had done in that Choke point. Is there any logic for that? With out giving away any strategies of course. [/spoiler]

As always; Remember to read the game log first to see who did what in the second round. Just click on "SHOW" and read. The map is the final position of Round 01 so that the game log states who did what from the map positions. Also if you click on "Quick Reply" instead of on POSTREPLY, then you can still see the map in case you want to refer to it during your comments. Please try not to quote the map because then it will get confusing with all the maps everywhere. Only quote what other people said. I wont make as many comments so as not to dominate the discussions. I want every one to feel like this is your forum because it is. I will only make my own comments and questions. Thank You for your participation. You make this all happen.

[kierkegaard_2]

BLUE -
kierkegaard_2 deployed 3 troops on Moscow
kierkegaard_2 assaulted Astana from Moscow and conquered it from Viceroy63
kierkegaard_2 reinforced Astana with 4 troops from Moscow

Played too fast here. At this point, I should have deployed mainla, taken hk, moved bangkok through hong kong to manila.

Green is building up in Oz which will eliminate bangkok and pink appears to be eyeing SA, which threatens Mex City.

[bman8397]

Hey pink here, haha:

I really wish I had put some on london instead of havana. It may have been nice to have a stack in europe instead of 3 or 4 in the 1 area. This wasn't as big, but looking at how I set this round up, I wish I put the 5 on N1 anchorage, on N5 vancouver instead. Thoughts?

[Viceroy63]

In all the time being here with CC I had never missed a turn, Until this one. This was my first missed turn and it bothered the hell out of me.

I lost plenty of sleep that night brother.

[Viceroy63]

Hey pink here, haha:

I really wish I had put some on london instead of havana. It may have been nice to have a stack in europe instead of 3 or 4 in the 1 area. This wasn't as big, but looking at how I set this round up, I wish I put the 5 on N1 anchorage, on N5 vancouver instead. Thoughts?

Definitely London with all those stacks of 3's to protect you. The odds of a stack of 3 attacking you is slim at best. Vancouver is another nice one in my opinion.

[Fewnix]

Red here with my plans for Move 2. As a good SoC student, I had turned down the temptation of an easy spoil in move one, going by the F4M rules, opting to build small stacks in different parts of the board. Now I planned to take a spoils and had, no insult to anyone, identified Blue, kierkegaard_2 and yellow as potential targets for elimination. i was seeing pink and cyan as opponents likely to gain in strength. I consider one of the most important lessons SOC offers for Terminator games is to identify as soon as possible potential targets for elimination:

Always know who is the weakest player and whether or not you can eliminate him

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and would welcome discussion on that point.

Your Plans:Thinking of deploying 2 on Novo, giving me 8 there enough to take the singleton yellow Yakutsk for a spoil,no advance , and deploy one on Dubai to give me there, .After taking Yakustk I hope to have 7 on Novo, 5 on Dubai, 5 on edmonton and 4 on Capetown- a not bad offensive /efensive set up.

Blue with olny 19 troops is the weakest player and my most likely target for elimination, followed by yellow with 25 troops. It should be noted pink with 23 troops has the South America bonus and cyan with 26 troops has the Oceania bonus and are likely to gain in strength over the next few rounds. making blue and yellow likely weaker playres and better targetsl

[Viceroy63]

Game 10476657 Round 02
[spoiler]2012-01-24 20:29:32 - Incrementing game to round 2

2012-01-25 08:19:34 - kierkegaard_2 received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-25 08:19:39 - kierkegaard_2 deployed 3 troops on Moscow
2012-01-25 08:19:41 - kierkegaard_2 assaulted Astana from Moscow and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-01-25 08:19:52 - kierkegaard_2 reinforced Astana with 4 troops from Moscow
2012-01-25 08:20:00 - kierkegaard_2 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-26 00:14:46 - Kiwi_NZ received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-26 00:15:03 - Kiwi_NZ deployed 3 troops on Istanbul
2012-01-26 00:15:11 - Kiwi_NZ assaulted Moscow from Istanbul and conquered it from kierkegaard_2
2012-01-26 00:15:21 - Kiwi_NZ ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-26 06:52:46 - bman8397 received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-26 06:52:58 - bman8397 deployed 2 troops on Lima
2012-01-26 06:53:11 - bman8397 deployed 1 troops on Havana
2012-01-26 06:53:40 - bman8397 assaulted Buenos Aires from Lima and conquered it from Kiwi_NZ
2012-01-26 06:55:53 - bman8397 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-27 06:55:53 - Viceroy63 missed a turn

2012-01-28 02:44:37 - Fewnix received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-28 02:44:51 - Fewnix deployed 1 troops on Edmonton
2012-01-28 02:45:09 - Fewnix deployed 2 troops on Novosibirsk
2012-01-28 02:45:18 - Fewnix assaulted Yakutsk from Novosibirsk and conquered it from bman8397
2012-01-28 02:45:29 - Fewnix ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-28 03:19:02 - ronshippau received 3 troops for 8 regions
2012-01-28 03:19:09 - ronshippau deployed 3 troops on Perth
2012-01-28 03:19:12 - ronshippau assaulted Jakarta from Perth and conquered it from Fewnix
2012-01-28 03:19:29 - ronshippau reinforced Jakarta with 2 troops from Port Moresby
2012-01-28 03:19:52 - ronshippau ended the turn and got spoils[/spoiler]

Viceroy63 Reply To kierkegaard_2
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Red had very easy access to blue (me). I think it was a fair assessment to say I was the weakest from red's perspective. Cyan can't get to green in Oz, so I understand why blue was eliminated first (by cyan).

It also appears from the log that red identified green as the next target. Based on the amount of hits blue took, I'm surprised I lasted to round 6. I lost Sao Paolo and Mex City in Rd 3.

I'm not sure how much more defensive I could have played.

What do you think of the theory of not taking spoils at all as a defensive tactic? I was eliminated with 5 spoils and gave cyan the opportunity to cash in for 6 and 8 troops. Not enough for cyan to eliminate other players.

Also, how about the tactic of missing turns? It does allow you to deploy an additional 3 troops after your next turn. Plus it gives you the advantage of others thinking you will disappear.

Well first of all missing turns as a tactic is not a very viable/good idea. I used to think that it has benefits even in rare occasions but now I do not. It's like saying, "I won't take a punch at this guy beating me up in order to save my strength so that I can throw him a really good whopper of a punch later on." It just does not work that way. If anything it is a psychological tactic that best works among weaker players for their sympathies. That's like Rocky Balboa up against the ropes while Mr. T is beating up on the Rock and getting tired and Rocky is planning it that way. Well that kind of tactic only works in the movies and that is all.

As to not taking spoils as a tactic? That also is an inconceivable notion that just wont work. If your going to win then you have to fight. If you are going to fight then you need to build up troop strength. And the best way to build up troop strength in an escalating game is to get spoils. Otherwise you are just dead meat waiting to be barbequed. You have to think of this as a race to be the first to build up a massive army "AND" use it. Otherwise you are really not playing the game.

The bad luck that you had was that first pink made it easier for other players to see you as an easy target when he took your regions from the Americas, and then Green had tried to eliminate you first and failed and in the process weakened himself as well, which left you for me. I was Cyan. If I did not do it then some one else would have. Sorry buddy, it was just playing a game though.

As a side note; The thing about spoils is that after the trade gets close to 20 troops or more per trade, you really don't want to have too many spoils in hand for the reason that you just mentioned. Because they are used against you. What you want to do, at least what I feel should be done is to trade in your spoils as quickly as possible so that at least you have some more troops on the board and not spoils on hand for some one else to use against you. But a lot also depends on the particular circumstances of the game as well.

But in your case it was just simple bad luck, man. Other wise you would have been in the game for a lot longer. You can thank Pink for getting you eliminated early in the game.

As Blue you played as well as anyone could expect you to play but sometimes it's just plain bad luck that does us in.

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race [is] not [always] to the swift, nor the battle [always] to the strong, neither yet bread [always] to the wise, nor yet riches [always] to men of understanding, nor yet favour [always] to men of skill; but time and chance (Luck) happeneth to them all."
-Ecclesiastes 9:11[/spoiler]

[kierkegaard_2]

Red had very easy access to blue (me). I think it was a fair assessment to say I was the weakest from red's perspective. Cyan can't get to green in Oz, so I understand why blue was eliminated first (by cyan).

It also appears from the log that red identified green as the next target. Based on the amount of hits blue took, I'm surprised I lasted to round 6. I lost Sao Paolo and Mex City in Rd 3.

I'm not sure how much more defensive I could have played.

What do you think of the theory of not taking spoils at all as a defensive tactic? I was eliminated with 5 spoils and gave cyan the opportunity to cash in for 6 and 8 troops. Not enough for cyan to eliminate other players.

Also, how about the tactic of missing turns? It does allow you to deploy an additional 3 troops after your next turn. Plus it gives you the advantage of others thinking you will disappear.

[Viceroy63]

10476657Game Log Round 03
[spoiler]2012-01-28 03:19:52 - Incrementing game to round 3

2012-01-28 17:43:19 - kierkegaard_2 received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-28 17:43:23 - kierkegaard_2 deployed 3 troops on Bangkok
2012-01-28 17:43:25 - kierkegaard_2 assaulted Hong Kong from Bangkok and conquered it from Fewnix
2012-01-28 17:43:42 - kierkegaard_2 reinforced Hong Kong with 2 troops from Manila
2012-01-28 17:43:50 - kierkegaard_2 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-28 19:32:34 - Kiwi_NZ received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-28 19:32:38 - Kiwi_NZ deployed 2 troops on Beijing
2012-01-28 19:32:43 - Kiwi_NZ deployed 1 troops on Montreal
2012-01-28 19:32:50 - Kiwi_NZ assaulted Yakutsk from Beijing and conquered it from Fewnix
2012-01-28 19:33:02 - Kiwi_NZ ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-28 22:44:08 - bman8397 received 3 troops for 7 regions
2012-01-28 22:44:14 - bman8397 deployed 3 troops on Lima
2012-01-28 22:44:19 - bman8397 assaulted Sao Paulo from Lima and conquered it from kierkegaard_2
2012-01-28 22:44:25 - bman8397 assaulted Bogota from Sao Paulo and conquered it from Fewnix
2012-01-28 22:45:01 - bman8397 assaulted Mexico City from Bogota and conquered it from kierkegaard_2
2012-01-28 22:45:28 - bman8397 reinforced Sao Paulo with 2 troops from Havana
2012-01-28 22:45:38 - bman8397 reinforced Sao Paulo with 1 troops from Bogota
2012-01-28 22:45:40 - bman8397 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-29 12:14:11 - Viceroy63 received 3 troops for 5 regions
2012-01-29 12:14:11 - Viceroy63 received 3 deferred troops for missing 1 rounds
2012-01-29 12:14:31 - Viceroy63 deployed 2 troops on Chicago
2012-01-29 12:14:42 - Viceroy63 deployed 1 troops on Delhi
2012-01-29 12:14:58 - Viceroy63 assaulted Vancouver from Chicago and conquered it from bman8397
2012-01-29 12:15:59 - Viceroy63 deployed 3 troops on Tokyo
2012-01-29 12:17:16 - Viceroy63 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-30 03:18:49 - Fewnix received 3 troops for 4 regions
2012-01-30 03:18:58 - Fewnix deployed 2 troops on Dubai
2012-01-30 03:19:48 - Fewnix deployed 1 troops on Novosibirsk
2012-01-30 03:20:14 - Fewnix assaulted Yakutsk from Novosibirsk and conquered it from Kiwi_NZ
2012-01-30 03:20:44 - Fewnix ended the turn and got spoils

2012-01-30 06:13:35 - ronshippau received 2 troops for holding Oceania
2012-01-30 06:13:35 - ronshippau received 3 troops for 9 regions
2012-01-30 06:14:01 - ronshippau deployed 5 troops on Jakarta
2012-01-30 06:14:04 - ronshippau assaulted Bangkok from Jakarta and conquered it from kierkegaard_2
2012-01-30 06:14:17 - ronshippau assaulted Lagos from Dakar and conquered it from kierkegaard_2
2012-01-30 06:14:49 - ronshippau reinforced Lagos with 2 troops from Stockholm
2012-01-30 06:15:01 - ronshippau reinforced Dakar with 2 troops from Berlin
2012-01-30 06:15:11 - ronshippau ended the turn and got spoils[/spoiler]

Viceroy63 Assessment of Round 03
[spoiler]I concur that Green at this point had the most excellent position imaginable. Green had a presence in North America still and should have drop 3 troops right there on New York. That string of Territories stretching from Dakar to Stockholm could have created two other powerful stacks in Europe and Africa. One on Dakar and the other on Stockholm. And Oceania did not need any further deployment of troops as Oceania was very well protected so that the 2 extra troops could have gone one to Dakar and one to Stockholm. So that Green would have had 4 powerful stacks. New York, 6 troops; Dakar, 6 troops; Stockholm, 6 troops and Jakarta, 7 troops. It would have been a most powerful force on the board to be dealt with and history would have definitely taken a different route.

The thing about a powerful stack is that who ever assaults it is automatically weakened. That is why we do not not attack until we are ready. For Pink to say, assault a powerful Green Stack on Dakar, would be to invite others to invade South America after Pink would be weakened from that attack. Green would win even if he lost because a destabilization in that region would hinder Pink and allow greens other stacks to grow to be that much more powerful. And should that Green stack on Dakar survive pink's assault, then Pink would always be on Greens target list. In fact the opportunity could have a risen to move that stack on Dakar to South America and further hinder the development of another Bonus Zone.

This would have been an excellent example of using a Bonus Zone to enhance one's game potential and possibilities in other areas of the game. To use those extra troops to create powerful stacks all over the world so that when the time came Green could have been the one to eliminate everyone else and win the game. This would have been a means to an end and not an end to a mean. For as it turned out Green lost his other stacks in North America and in Europe because no attention was paid to them and so in the end when Green was finally eliminated he was trapped all alone in his Bonus Zone.

And as for this comment...

"Pink should not be taking SA. It's a waste of troops for small reward. Also by taking the bonus you've isolated yourself and made others more vulnerable. Dangerous play at best."

This is what I meant in an earlier comment that Pink had helped me in the game. If Blue were not such an easy target Green would not have tried to eliminate Blue. The fact that Green failed means nothing except that some one else would have continued where Green left off. But certainly Green would not have tried to eliminate Blue if Pink had not made Blue such an easy target. If Blue had not been eliminated from the Americas the game would still had gone on with Blue playing a more active role than just running for his life.

Pink caused a domino effect by eliminating Blue that ended up making other Players more stronger. Me! in particular. But if not me then it would have been Green or anyone else for that matter. When ever anyone takes an entire Bonus zone you automatically reduce the size of the colors that were there so that they now become that much more easier targets for everyone else to attack. So that in the end, even though you may think that you are becoming more stronger by taking an entire Bonus Zone, the Fact is that you are making other players that much more stronger as well by making other players weaker as well. If it were a weakness that Pink could have taken advantage of then that would have been swell. But the making of some players weaker only serves to make other player stronger and not the player who is taking a bonus zone, in this case, Pink.[/spoiler]

[dhallmeyer]

I like the plays made by red, blue, yellow and cyan. Good tactics.

Green, having secured the bonus already, should now start playing catch-up by protecting the bonus with 1 or 2, and developing stacks across the board. Likely green will be isolated in O with little else when the spoils start dropping.

Pink should not be taking SA. It's a waste of troops for small reward. Also by taking the bonus you've isolated yourself and made others more vulnerable. Dangerous play at best.

[Fewnix]

Red here. while it may seem premature o start looking in round 2 at the possibility of eliminating someone, that is one part, one important part of the F4M guidelines - always knowing who is the weakest player, and even more importantly, whether or not you can eliminate him. Two separate questions. . In a map with settings - Terminator, sunny, unlimited forts- the search for answers to those two questions should be a priority. we also need to keep in mind the flip side all the other players are looking at the chances of eliminating This started to be my focus in plans for round three as I sucked up to the SoC instructors.

Your Plans: Deploy 2 on A1 Dubai, giving me 8 to take singleton blue Cairo F7, no advance and deploy 1 on A4 Novosibirsk to give me 7 there.

I really appreciate the discussion and can feel my play sharpening. I recognize it is a balancing act between different priorities, even

Always know who is the weakest player and whether or not you can eliminate him.


I am now, in round 4, about the second weakest player on the board . One of my concerns has to be surviving to round 6 at which point I could, while still being a prime target for elimination, be well positioned to eliminate one or two opponents,

Assuming the plan works I would end this round with 3 spoils and 7 troops in A1 Dubai, 5 in N2 Edmonton, 7 in A4 Novosibirsk and 4 in F5 Capetown, I should be able to survive one more round to round 5, build up my forces, take another spoils and survive to round 6 .

The most likely target for me to eliminate in round 6 is Blue currently the weakest player on the map with 19 troops and 3 spoils. Assuming my plan listed above works, in round , 5 I would have 18 troops basically adjacent to blues 19 or so troops, depending on what happens between rounds. With only a 3 deploy and a set only IF I I pick up a third red this round ,that would give me about 25 troops to eliminate 20? or so blue troops. possible but not likely, and I hear you teach, trying would just make me a target,.>

But If I take a spoils this round and a spoils round 5, I start round 6 with 4 spoils, I could have a set to cash and that set could be worth more than 4. if someone has cashed a set, While there are other possibilities, blue is most likely to be the weakest player then , I would probably have a reasonable chance of eliminating him and then and it would trying. Blue is about my rank so eiminating him would give me about 20 points virtually guaranteeing I do not lose any points this game. Picking up blues 5 spoils would give me another set and a good chance to survive and eliminate at least one more player, before being eliminated. giving me a net gain of over 20 points . Etc.

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