H.H. Keefie, Awesome A, Johnny Dickshot [Cleared] DCR

[jefjef]

Multiple times I've asked GeneralRisk why he was sitting on his ass letting team 1 get so far ahead

Well tec - as keefie pointed out - You state in the complaint about you communicating multiple times outside of game chat with General Risk in re of your concerns. Any and all game discussions are not allowed outside of game chat. That is secret diplomacy and you deserve to be warned for it.

Good luck to you.

[Evolution299]

Would someone have to file a complaint so that Tec would be warned, or would the mods add to the original complaint? Kind of like when a OP gets busted during a C&A investigation for multi's?

What it sounds like from Tec's game description was that the game wasnt going his way, and he didnt like it, so he is taking his ball and is going home. The only one that is actually guilty and he admitted it, is Tec.

[eddie2]

Would someone have to file a complaint so that Tec would be warned, or would the mods add to the original complaint? Kind of like when a OP gets busted during a C&A investigation for multi's?

What it sounds like from Tec's game description was that the game wasnt going his way, and he didnt like it, so he is taking his ball and is going home. The only one that is actually guilty and he admitted it, is Tec.

all he admitted was talking about his suspect sd in the game this is not against site rules. lets not change the rules here. if it is spurious or not is another matter, the c and a mods will deal with that during this report. but like i said it is usually common practice if you are 4 friends on site (ie clan leader and friend plus 2 of his clan members) to invite more friends to the game. the way i see it is tec was within his right to open a report because there was valid grounds for it on paper. but like i said i do not believe these players would risk a block by doing this type of thing, because that stops them from playing on the same team in clan wars.

[Keefie]

No invites were sent by anyone for this gamen and just to clarify who is in what:

Team 1:

Johnny Dickshot: Headless Horsemen
Awesome A : Headless Horsemen

Team 2:

Keefie: Headless Horsemen
Generakrisk: PACK

Team 4:

Tec805: PACK
smegal69: PACK

[Woodruff]

You'd better be wrong eddie2. I have done absolutely nothing wrong.

A "[noted]" does not confer any sort of guilt on you. All it does is place a marker so that if future instances come up of the same nature, then the gathering evidence might point to a future guilty.

[tec805]

Tec805, I swear on the life of everyone who is dear to me that there has been absolutely NO communication between myself and team 1 regarding this game or any other.

You were deploying 13 at a time and breathing down my neck. You were a far bigger danger to me than team 1. Also if you were so worried about team 1 why didn't you deploy on your plane and bomb their bonuses ? You were trying to influence us, through GeneralRisk and not in game chat, to do your dirty work for you. You failed, suck it up like a man and deal with it.

You have two neutral 3's and four 1's stopping you from taking a +9 bonus. Instead you attack 18 troops and bomb 4 to give you nothing.
You have my in game chat:
"2012-02-04 00:01:43 - tec805: team 2 didn't tear me apart on the south shore, they can do as they please unmolested from me"
I was quite happy to have you and GR win the game if team 1 wanted to go toe-to-toe. Unfortunately team 3 continued to threaten my position and I needed to defend against them.
Smegal and I have deployed on our planes and bombed their bonuses, multiple times. You have not, even once, broken a single bonus of theirs. I never expected team 3 to waste troops on team 1 anymore than I expected you to waste troops on me, the outcome is the same, team 1 getting further ahead each turn.

IMHO, this is a nasty, mean spirited and spurious complaint designed to either damage the reputation of HH or more likely, break up the partnership between myself and Generalrisk. A successful team that is seen as a big threat by the OP.

You as well as everyone else who has played me knows I am neither mean spirited nor nasty. I have no interest in HH or GeneralRisk's love life. You two can play another 500 games together and win them all, I will not lose a single wink of sleep. Feel free to use the game finder to see how well I do without GR on my team.

the game wasnt going his way, and he didnt like it, so he is taking his ball and is going home.

Our drop was good, our start was good, we were in good contention until team 3 made a move on Mameyev Hill/Sheykin. I had good dice and setup pink to be eliminated but no one wanted to spend the troops to do it. When team 1 removed my infantry from the south shore (which was a brilliant move) our chances dropped substantially. Shortly team 1 will control the 15th artillery (and +3 more deploy) and be able to break any of all of our bonuses. As they are obviously in no danger of team 2 attacking them I would expect them to weaken us, allowing team 3 to burn their troops eating us up.

I've invested almost 2 months in this slow moving game against some of the best Stalingrad players on CC. I went into it understanding I had at best a 25% chance of winning. If I had thought in the very slightest there was a chance any of these players would do anything but play their best to win I wouldn't have joined. Having one team scuttle another when both are behind is not common amongst the better teams (though I'm sure your 29% win ratio hasn't helped you play with many good teams Evolution). Keefie had better options for many turns that he never took (thank you for the snapshots Keefie, really brought to light what you were passing up so you could cornhole me). If your intention was strictly to make sure I lost then well done. But if you also intended to have team 1 win while doing so, which I feel is the case, then I call BS.

[Keefie]

Tec805,

There has been NO secret diplomacy, I swear on my mothers life.

I attacked you as you were the biggest threat to my position. Your team had me cornered, if I was to expand you or grey were my only option. I really can't see why your accusing me of secret diplomacy. Why when I suggested to GR that I attack you did he not say, 'no thats a bad idea attack team one instead', he didn't mate.

I very rarely play multi doubles games, because I'm not very good at them.

What will be will be and as Generalrisk said earlier, it's only a game and I'm very sorry that you feel the way you do.

Keefie

[QoH]

Keefie, they don't care who's body you swear on :/

[deathcomesrippin]

Keefie, Awesome A, and Johnny Dickshot are CLEARED of Secret Diplomacy.

There is no proof that I can see that there was any kind of SD involved in this game. Keefie made it clear that he and GR thought the best approach would be to focus on the other team(s) to take a position against team 1. GR still seems to have good standing in the game, as he held a +7 bonus at the end of his last turn.

Just because you do not agree with their tactics, that doesn't mean it is SD. If it is bad play, that is on them to figure out when and if they lose. Tec805, you stated that you did not think GR cheated in any way. If so, how would you account for his actions, as it is a team game and he controls at least what his troops do? You can't think that Keefie somehow controlled his moves to make him cheat unknowingly. GR by a few admissions is a great player on that map, and I am sure he would quickly catch on to any kind of subterfuge on the part of his partner.

[Keefie]

Thank you for investigating this thoroughly and arriving at the conclusion you did.

It's good to see that common sense still prevails

[Woodruff]

It's good to see that common sense still prevails

Now THAT is funny!

(Not meant as a commentary on this specific case.)