Fire and Ice Mafia! (2/12) GAME OVER!! ~ TOWN WINS!! ~

[ghostly447]

Unvote.

1. wildwilliam - Replaced by spurgistan - Dont know what to think of this player.
2. edocsil - Replaced by SG8 - I personally think is cleared. Not sure though.
3. Victor Sullivan - Replaced by SPARTACUS1974 - VS didnt seem to give off his normal soft claims before leaving, but it may be because of his illness. Not much from spartacus either.
4. mc05025 - I have my suspicions. Doesnt seem to post much, and when he does it always gets me going thinking he may be mafia.
7. New Guy1 - Helped catch both fire mafia
9. ghostly447 - Helped catch both fire mafia
12. Leehar - Good countercase

[SPARTACUS1974]

not much to say about my role its pretty boring

[MoB Deadly]

Day 3 - Vote Count 1

SG8 - mc05025
ghostly447 -
(1) Leehar - SPARTICUS1974
mc05025 -
New Guy1 -
(1) SPARTICUS1974 -SG8
jgordon2222 -

No Lynch -

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline Sunday 5:00PM EST.

woooooo! woooooooo! dont know if I am in or not so at current time speaking from the grave WOOOOO! WOOOOOO! MoB where are you?

You didn't tell me you wanted back in so I will put you back in right now as jgordon2222 replacing spurgistan. Role PM out shortly.

[jgordon1111]

jgordon2222 here lets catch scum,thanks MoBVote leehar I think you guys are being fooled

[shieldgenerator7]

so you think leehar is scum, jgordon? can you tell us why?

Also, Welcome jg! It's nice to have you back

-SG7 ( )

[jgordon1111]

Its leehars flavor thats bothering me, just to smooth,good explanations and again laying back on the votes. also he omgus me on D1 saying the odds were this time I was scum.

[mc05025]

Unvote.

1. wildwilliam - Replaced by spurgistan - Dont know what to think of this player.
2. edocsil - Replaced by SG8 - I personally think is cleared. Not sure though.
3. Victor Sullivan - Replaced by SPARTACUS1974 - VS didnt seem to give off his normal soft claims before leaving, but it may be because of his illness. Not much from spartacus either.
4. mc05025 - I have my suspicions. Doesnt seem to post much, and when he does it always gets me going thinking he may be mafia.
7. New Guy1 - Helped catch both fire mafia
9. ghostly447 - Helped catch both fire mafia
12. Leehar - Good countercase

Yes my english are not that good and that limited what I am saying to the important things.

When I am posting I usually defend some people and accuse some others. So there are obviously things that people does not like and that is why they suspected me. But in my opinion that is an innocent react that have no informations. Obviously, I have made mistakes but in any case I follow my opinion and I do not follow others.

I ll tell you something simple. If I was a mafia the easiest thing would have been to vote Leehar and kill him. But I do not beleive Leehar is scum and so I defended him.

And for the record, you might emotionally be glad for those who helped to kill fire goons but obviously if you think logically it means nothing as we are searching for ice goons

[jgordon1111]

We can understand what you say MC.

Why do you think leehar is not mafia?

I based my reasoning on the fact I have played several games with him and in 2 of them he played as he is now, and turned out to be scum btw he won both

[shieldgenerator7]

We can understand what you say MC.

Why do you think leehar is not mafia?

I based my reasoning on the fact I have played several games with him and in 2 of them he played as he is now, and turned out to be scum btw he won both

this is called meta-gaming. It uses the past experiences of past games to help make cases in present games. Some players doubt the validity of this method of scum-hunting, but others think it is a valuable thing. One thing I have to add about your meta-gaming in this case is that it sounds like you haven't played a game with Leehar as town, so you don't know whether this behaviour is just his play style or whether this is how he acts when scum. Have you ever played a game with Leehar as town, or was he mafia on all occasions?

-SG7 ( )

[jgordon1111]

We can understand what you say MC.

Why do you think leehar is not mafia?

I based my reasoning on the fact I have played several games with him and in 2 of them he played as he is now, and turned out to be scum btw he won both

this is called meta-gaming. It uses the past experiences of past games to help make cases in present games. Some players doubt the validity of this method of scum-hunting, but others think it is a valuable thing. One thing I have to add about your meta-gaming in this case is that it sounds like you haven't played a game with Leehar as town, so you don't know whether this behaviour is just his play style or whether this is how he acts when scum. Have you ever played a game with Leehar as town, or was he mafia on all occasions?

-SG7 ( )

I believe so yes but, I am working the odds as leehar did when he omgus me D1,unusual for him not at all his style in any game.

So to me it seemed he might have had a reason for the doc getting lynched D1.

[shieldgenerator7]

We can understand what you say MC.

Why do you think leehar is not mafia?

I based my reasoning on the fact I have played several games with him and in 2 of them he played as he is now, and turned out to be scum btw he won both

this is called meta-gaming. It uses the past experiences of past games to help make cases in present games. Some players doubt the validity of this method of scum-hunting, but others think it is a valuable thing. One thing I have to add about your meta-gaming in this case is that it sounds like you haven't played a game with Leehar as town, so you don't know whether this behaviour is just his play style or whether this is how he acts when scum. Have you ever played a game with Leehar as town, or was he mafia on all occasions?

-SG7 ( )

I believe so yes but, I am working the odds as leehar did when he omgus me D1,unusual for him not at all his style in any game.

So to me it seemed he might have had a reason for the doc getting lynched D1.

ok if you believe this is enough evidence to lynch leehar I'll go with it, but how could he have possibly known you were the doc on D1 before your claim?

[mc05025]

We can understand what you say MC.

Why do you think leehar is not mafia?

I based my reasoning on the fact I have played several games with him and in 2 of them he played as he is now, and turned out to be scum btw he won both

I do not think he is clear. But I do not think he is that suspicious that we have to lynch him.

With other words I suspect other people more than Leehar (SG8 and Spartacus, even if I voted SG8 I consider them equally suspicious). I do not say that suspecting and vote Leehar is stupid, I just prefer to go for someone of those 2 and I am glad we have the chance to make one or two mistakes

[mc05025]

As for the meta-gaming I have absolutely no idea as this is my first game. You are more experienced and you might have better tools than me smelling the scums but I think I will stay with my opinion. I do not like change opinion...

[Leehar]

And again, if you're meta-gaming the other games where I was scum, considering they're the lesser percentage, don't you think it's about time I'm townie now? Heck, I'd like to win a game as town myself by now!

[ghostly447]

As for the meta-gaming I have absolutely no idea as this is my first game. You are more experienced and you might have better tools than me smelling the scums but I think I will stay with my opinion. I do not like change opinion...

Im not sure if it is just that you worded it wrong, but we all have to eventually change our opinions should a better case arise that we believe is fit.

Unvote if I had a vote previously (I think I did on MC) and re-FOS MC for clearly stating he does not like changing his opinion. If it is a misunderstanding, it is alright, but for now we need conversation at the very least to see if there will be a scum slip hopefully.

[shieldgenerator7]

Well, for one, I agree with ghostly or whoever it was who suspected spartacus. Right now I'm thinking it's either Leehar or spartacus, leaning more towards spartacus because he's being fairly inactive.

I also have a question pointed at jgordon he hasn't answered yet, will probably when he gets in to post.

-SG7 ( )

[jgordon1111]

Vote jgordon
Yup, It seemed okay in Rated M, but now it really is BFSPP to everywhere. You were inactive, and you were submarining, and then even though I haven't read all of everywhere's case and rebuttals, it seemed logical just on the base level that it has to be you this time thats scummy jg

This is why Sg8 I was on everwhere for slipping twice as being scummy at this point. Ghost was backing me,edoc was backing everywhere.

And leehar very out of character for himself stepped in and voted me.

Meta gaming in Rated M he knew what I did to keep from claiming,yet was forced to. So I think he was playing the odds here being scum trying to leave himself an out if everwhere got burned instead of me. Kinda reverse what he did in M.

Also he hasnt stepped in to defend himself which is really odd,considering leehar is usually around somewhere

LOL you did build up quite the defense for him that he readily put to use.

And when I called out everywhere for scum slips pretty much all of you thought I was wrong then to.

Lets put it very plain SG8 it you or him in my mind I say leehar first then you

[shieldgenerator7]

I was gonna say it's a simple matter since if I was Ice, I wouldn't have been supporting the Fire goons (very minutely I admit) in that early 2v2 argument in the beginning, but that argument obviously can't hold because it's more Flavour as sg7 complained about, but more importantly because there was no reason to know who fire at that point anyway.

However, I think a more successful defense is the simple matter that I haven't been very bloodthirsty? Obviously that could often be scummy, but in this scenario, as sg7 so succinctly explained in his example, the worst case scenario for Town involves the lynching of the wrong targets, but thats obviously the best case for Ice goon (the only scum left)?
Therefore, by dint of the fact that I didn't bandwagon onto the Something Clever Lynch, when obviously Ice would/should want to do as it makes it quicker for him to survive and since he knew he couldn't get his own guy, he'd want to very much be in support of lynching either us townies or the fire goons that would assumably need to die for him to achieve his objective (I just realised I should be using her instead of him, but meh)

So yeah, I was actually just thinking of saving this argument to use on whoever was most advocating more lynchings, but thought since I'm already on L-2 it can still be beneficial using it while I still live.
And it can also be applied retrospectively in looking at who was actively involved in the lynches and tying that up with whoever was also involved in the same lynchings with Cms? (the other Ice Goon?)

Otherwise, I think a more valuable case then me could be again looking for submariners or inactives, since they either won't be helpful in catching the killer, or be the Goon himself (Like how I don't remember much else from cms other than popping up to vote for the lynch? So something similar could be for his teammate)

So yeah, I think if we can tie up the aforementioned scum-tells that I've mentioned, we should have a decent chance of catching the last Ice sister

And w00t, I'm already actually L-1, I hope you guys can unvote, otherwise as I said, look for the guys trying to get out with an easy, quick lynch so they can perform their nefarious activities at night!

Is this not a defense? Go ahead and poke holes in it. Or does it not answer some of the points you made?

[jgordon1111]

I dont know what happened there, but that was supposed to repeat the last qoute I made here with the end added on, but all it did was edit previous qoute.

MOD that was not intentional,not sure how that happened

[shieldgenerator7]

Vote jgordon
Yup, It seemed okay in Rated M, but now it really is BFSPP to everywhere. You were inactive, and you were submarining, and then even though I haven't read all of everywhere's case and rebuttals, it seemed logical just on the base level that it has to be you this time thats scummy jg

This is why Sg8 I was on everwhere for slipping twice as being scummy at this point. Ghost was backing me,edoc was backing everywhere.

And leehar very out of character for himself stepped in and voted me.

Meta gaming in Rated M he knew what I did to keep from claiming,yet was forced to. So I think he was playing the odds here being scum trying to leave himself an out if everwhere got burned instead of me. Kinda reverse what he did in M. Also he hasnt stepped in to defend himself which is really odd,considering leehar is usually around somewhere

LOL you did build up quite the defense for him that he readily put to use.

And when I called out everywhere for scum slips pretty much all of you thought I was wrong then to.

Lets put it very plain SG8 it you or him in my mind I say leehar first then you

Here's the original post followed by the add-on.

-SG7 ( )

[jgordon1111]

Did you see what I meant about he used what you said as his defence rather than build his own,and has not posted to defend himself again

[MoB Deadly]

Day 3 - Vote Count 2

SG8 - mc05025
ghostly447 -
(2) Leehar - SPARTICUS1974, jgordon2222
mc05025 -
New Guy1 -
(1) SPARTICUS1974 -SG8
jgordon2222 -

No Lynch -

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline Sunday 5:00PM EST.


JGordon2222 - Edit Noted. Please be careful.

[shieldgenerator7]

alright, we have about 3 days until deadline. I think we can discuss a little more before we lynch someone, probably going to be either leehar or spartacus

[jgordon1111]

SG* you seem to be ignoring me,thats ok though lol

[shieldgenerator7]

SG* you seem to be ignoring me,thats ok though lol

sorry I don't mean to make you feel unimportant; I just don't know how to respond. I think your case on leehar has some merit and I want to hear how leehar responds.

RIght now the main reason I want to lynch spartacus or leehar is because i'm getting town vibes from most everyone else, and I think it's either those two (tho I'm not 100% sure). So you having actually evidence against him is good, because I'm having a hard coming up with that right now.

@n00bs, gut feelings are not usually the way of finding out scum, and more experienced players will tell you this and call you out on it.
We usually do it by finding scumtells in players' posts.

Maybe I'll relook over the last couple pages and post some thoughts tomorrow. Meanwhile, stay as active as you can. In the words of a great mafia warrior, SILENCE IS SCUMMY!

-SG7 ( )