Fire and Ice Mafia! (2/12) GAME OVER!! ~ TOWN WINS!! ~

[new guy1]

Well, now. The only person that defended me is dead... Maybe you should rethink it, especially you ghostly that you keep suspicting me from day 2 that I voted for you.
We do not have an other chance guys to make an other mistake. The 1v2 can be lost easily.

I know I will might be your number 1 suspect as the only person defended me was Jgordon. But I think the way Jgordon died is a sign that I am Innocent. If I was mafia I wouldn't kill the only person that defended me till today. So this is my defense.

About my suspects now. For me the most suspects is ghostly and SG8, for the reasons I have mention on D2 and D3. In addition I am surprised from ghostly's passion to kill me. He did not rethink it, he wants just to kill me like D2 and D3 like nothing have change.

First off, Im new guy. Second, thanks for the WIFOM defense. I dont like it. Vote MC. After this, I think my only other suspect would be Shield.

[mc05025]

New guy, I did not ever referred to you because I know that nothing can change your opinion. Everything I say you think is scummy without even think if there is a logic behind. The way I do not move my vote shows that I want to kill the one I suspect and not someone random like mafia do. But I am not going to talk to you anymore because I know you are stubborn (not really guilty, you seem innocent on my eyes). You are not ready to hear any of the lot logical reasons that make me innocent

[new guy1]

New guy, I did not ever referred to you because I know that nothing can change your opinion. Everything I say you think is scummy without even think if there is a logic behind. The way I do not move my vote shows that I want to kill the one I suspect and not someone random like mafia do. But I am not going to talk to you anymore because I know you are stubborn (not really guilty, you seem innocent on my eyes). You are not ready to hear any of the lot logical reasons that make me innocent

Oh really? Then whens the good time to hear why you are innocent? Cause last I checked we are on a quick deadline, and I would prefer to give you a chance BEFORE you are lynched, because right now my vote is not budging with the defense you have made. And I believe you are describing yourself when you say I am too stubborn.

[ghostly447]

Well, now. The only person that defended me is dead... Maybe you should rethink it, especially you ghostly that you keep suspicting me from day 2 that I voted for you.
We do not have an other chance guys to make an other mistake. The 1v2 can be lost easily.

I know I will might be your number 1 suspect as the only person defended me was Jgordon. But I think the way Jgordon died is a sign that I am Innocent. If I was mafia I wouldn't kill the only person that defended me till today. So this is my defense.

About my suspects now. For me the most suspects is ghostly and SG8, for the reasons I have mention on D2 and D3. In addition I am surprised from ghostly's passion to kill me. He did not rethink it, he wants just to kill me like D2 and D3 like nothing have change.

That entire defense is WIFOM. But I will go ahead and answer it.

Jgordon defended you? I think it was more like he ignored you because he thought more of leehar (is this correct everyone? I am too tired to go back and find it). I know he didnt think Spart was mafia as much as others.

You clearly contradict yourself by saying there is not another chance, then saying the 2v1 can be lost easily (implying there is another chance). If people are smart then they will not try to speed lynch someone until the are completely positive or forced to vote.

You think I am mafia because I am bringing a case against you. Passion to kill you? Didnt rethink? Kill you like D2 and D3. I have a simple reply to all of this.
I have passion to hunt scum. Not Town. I believe you to be scum, therefore I apply pressure until you crack. I feel you already are. I didnt have to rethink. It was a fast night and I started charging you at the end of D3 which also defeats your third statement saying I wanted you dead D2. I was going for Clever D2, and got him lynched, and he was the fire goon. Therefore, your WIFOM has still been dis proven, and for that, I will prepare to vote you, but will not quite yet for fear of a speed hammer. Any other players takes on this?

FastPosted by MC and NG1

[mc05025]

If you really want to hear why I am innocent here are the reasons

1) If I was mafia I wouldn't have killed the only person that defended me knowing I will be the no1 suspect the next day
2) I wouldn't have defend Leehar when he was ready to die. Actually I would have voted for him. Why a mafia to defend an innocent that anyone wanted to kill him? Why defending him out of nowhere and risking my own life? SO I defended him because I am townie and I did not suspected him
3) You said I was inactive which is a very big lie. I have made a case, I have voted and I have defend and accuse people all the days. I have already said that my English are not good and so I am posting only if I have trully something to say
4) The way I do not change my vote in order to kill people saws that I am not interested in just killing people and I am ready to risk my life in order to protect someone that I think he is not a scum.

I know you are not going to think a lot about any of these but I am posting it because you asked and because I hope other people will think about them more than you.

Fast posted ghostly

[mc05025]

I think you may be off on MC ghost, I know on the game board he has good strat,but here I think he is watching and learning,doesnt read to me as scum tell. I remember 2 players in a game both real noobs one read the game correct the other didnt. What say you with thinking about it,scum or noob?

If you still believe scum,give me a hard reason

If this is not a defense what is it?

I did not say he defended the way I am playing. He might think it is stupid way. But obviously he thought I was not guilty

[new guy1]

If you really want to hear why I am innocent here are the reasons

1) If I was mafia I wouldn't have killed the only person that defended me knowing I will be the no1 suspect the next day
2) I wouldn't have defend Leehar when he was ready to die. Actually I would have voted for him. Why a mafia to defend an innocent that anyone wanted to kill him? Why defending him out of nowhere and risking my own life? SO I defended him because I am townie and I did not suspected him
3) You said I was inactive which is a very big lie. I have made a case, I have voted and I have defend and accuse people all the days. I have already said that my English are not good and so I am posting only if I have trully something to say
4) The way I do not change my vote in order to kill people saws that I am not interested in just killing people and I am ready to risk my life in order to protect someone that I think he is not a scum.

I know you are not going to think a lot about any of these but I am posting it because you asked and because I hope other people will think about them more than you.

Fast posted ghostly

All I see in #1 and 2 is WIFOM. You may have sided with leehar so that when he was lynched you would look town. As far as number 3 goes, I dont think you have been innactive talk to ghostly about that. The way you dont change your vote shows that you are focused on one target. My point here is that you are calling me out because Im stubborn. In order to catch scum, you must be willing to change your vote to someone else. You WILL NOT always guess the scum right the first time, therefore if you never change your vote, nothing gets done by you because until you get new information your vote is useless and most likely just off of instinct.

[new guy1]

I think you may be off on MC ghost, I know on the game board he has good strat,but here I think he is watching and learning,doesnt read to me as scum tell. I remember 2 players in a game both real noobs one read the game correct the other didnt. What say you with thinking about it,scum or noob?

If you still believe scum,give me a hard reason

If this is not a defense what is it?

I did not say he defended the way I am playing. He might think it is stupid way. But obviously he thought I was not guilty

So he doesnt read a scum tell. That doesnt mean hes right.

[ghostly447]

I think you may be off on MC ghost, I know on the game board he has good strat,but here I think he is watching and learning,doesnt read to me as scum tell. I remember 2 players in a game both real noobs one read the game correct the other didnt. What say you with thinking about it,scum or noob?

If you still believe scum,give me a hard reason

If this is not a defense what is it?

I did not say he defended the way I am playing. He might think it is stupid way. But obviously he thought I was not guilty

well played, but still it sounds like more of a dismissal which contradicts your own statement.

You say you are active and that your english is bad, yet he says you are watching and learning. Are you going to try to defend yourself with a quote which directly contradicts your own defense? You did again.

Fastposted by NG1
That is #2 slip up. #1 is trying to tell me I was trying to kill you D2, when I caught fire goon that day and didnt mention you unless it was more than you seemed scummy. I didnt make a big case against you at all.

Slip 2 is that he said you seemed to be watching and learning, but yet you completely said that you made cases. You cant do both consecutively.

[mc05025]

That will be the last post about defending myself. I do not think you really think what you are posting. The only good think you said was the one I am answering at d.

a)

Jgordon defended you? I think it was more like he ignored you because he thought more of leehar (is this correct everyone? I am too tired to go back and find it). I know he didnt think Spart was mafia as much as others.

My last post answering to that new guy. That is the answer to your useless last post. I just answer to new guy, I did not say it is proof I am innocent

b) Ghostly on D2 you made a case against me and voted me. So it is not a slip. I did not say you did not unvoted me but you wanted to kill me till that day
c) How I can not watch and learn and not make cases? I am ambitious. I want to try to play good from the first game. This is the way to be good and I think I have succeeded that at the cc games. So I deeply know I can not play as good as an experience player but in order to play good I will try to make cases etc. So not a slip too

d)

All I see in #1 and 2 is WIFOM. You may have sided with leehar so that when he was lynched you would look town. As far as number 3 goes, I dont think you have been innactive talk to ghostly about that. The way you dont change your vote shows that you are focused on one target. My point here is that you are calling me out because Im stubborn. In order to catch scum, you must be willing to change your vote to someone else. You WILL NOT always guess the scum right the first time, therefore if you never change your vote, nothing gets done by you because until you get new information your vote is useless and most likely just off of instinct.

I might did not change my vote but I had said I prefer to kill Spartacus than Leehar. If Leehar was in danger I would have voted for Spartacus but he was not in danger and so I did not change my vote. I know I made a mistake here and I consider myself guilty for Spartacus death as much as the people that voted him. But I do not think a mistake like that (there was 6 townies I think and a scum so the possibilities to found that one person was slim) is a proof for something.

[new guy1]

Alright. Heres the way I see it. I believe either you, or shield, to be scum. Therefore, I wish to lynch you first as I think you are the scummiest, BUT if shield proves to be scummier then you... nevermind I just had an apifany. JG is obviously one of the better players here (having a fair amount of experience and making pretty good cases), therefore, I believe Shield to be scummier, for he knows this and would want to take him out of the game as to give him the best survival rate. I must say shield has proven to be a good "town" role, laying out all our options and such. But thats all it is, laying out our options. Therefore, I would like to know what Shield thinks. Something new on the table instead of repeating something we have said today.

[ghostly447]

That will be the last post about defending myself. I do not think you really think what you are posting. The only good think you said was the one I am answering at d.

a)

Jgordon defended you? I think it was more like he ignored you because he thought more of leehar (is this correct everyone? I am too tired to go back and find it). I know he didnt think Spart was mafia as much as others.

You seem to be picking this out because it is the only thing that semi defends yourself.

My last post answering to that new guy. That is the answer to your useless last post. I just answer to new guy, I did not say it is proof I am innocent

b) Ghostly on D2 you made a case against me and voted me. So it is not a slip. I did not say you did not unvoted me but you wanted to kill me till that day
Just because I vote you and unvote you means I wanted to kill you? I unvoted you and got a fire mafia because of his slips. I am hoping that these are truly scum slips and I will pin an ice mafia this time.
c) How I can not watch and learn and not make cases? I am ambitious. I want to try to play good from the first game. This is the way to be good and I think I have succeeded that at the cc games. So I deeply know I can not play as good as an experience player but in order to play good I will try to make cases etc. So not a slip too
This has been a very good first game for you. But I do still feel you are mafia because of everything above. If you are not, I already believe that Leehar is. But either way if I came to the last day then I will not vote until forced, or until I feel I have truly made them slip.
d)

All I see in #1 and 2 is WIFOM. You may have sided with leehar so that when he was lynched you would look town. As far as number 3 goes, I dont think you have been innactive talk to ghostly about that. The way you dont change your vote shows that you are focused on one target. My point here is that you are calling me out because Im stubborn. In order to catch scum, you must be willing to change your vote to someone else. You WILL NOT always guess the scum right the first time, therefore if you never change your vote, nothing gets done by you because until you get new information your vote is useless and most likely just off of instinct.

I might did not change my vote but I had said I prefer to kill Spartacus than Leehar. If Leehar was in danger I would have voted for Spartacus but he was not in danger and so I did not change my vote. I know I made a mistake here and I consider myself guilty for Spartacus death as much as the people that voted him. But I do not think a mistake like that (there was 6 townies I think and a scum so the possibilities to found that one person was slim) is a proof for something.

Fastposted by NG1
I believe Jgordon joined about the same time as I did New guy. I am not positive though. Wouldnt he kill Leehar if that were the case?

[new guy1]

That is true... That is very true. Leehar and Shield, what do you guys think?

[shieldgenerator7]

Dude, anyone would want jgordon dead, being a confirmed townie and all. SO putting the blame solely on me is unfair and inaccurate.

Yeah, you bring up a good point. jgordon has made some pretty good cases, where I've only made a semi-good case on Leehar. I'm still trying to carefully decide who is scum, as if we mislynch today tomorrow is our last chance.

I'm too tired right now to post anything of substance. Will post later.

-SG7 ( )

[new guy1]

That is fine. And I did not mean to completly pinpoint you as I forgot Leehar (been a while since there were posts in this game before now).

[ghostly447]

FOS Shield for needing sleep . (jk of course)

[Leehar]

I really can't go after mc since he did defend me after all, and ng and ghostly seem to work hand-in-hand, which could be explained by the twin thing, so that leaves only Vote sg7 ?

[MoB Deadly]

Day 5 - Vote Count 1

(1, L-2 ) SG8 - Leehar
ghostly447 -
Leehar -
(1, L-2) mc05025 - New Guy1
New Guy1 -

No Lynch -
Deadline Extention -

With 5 players alive - it takes 3 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

[ghostly447]

I really can't go after mc since he did defend me after all, and ng and ghostly seem to work hand-in-hand, which could be explained by the twin thing, so that leaves only Vote sg7 ?

We have our own opinions and do not discuss outside of the game. We do not share opinions unless we both feel someone is scummy, because we dont discuss anything outside of the game, and therefore do not know roles, etc, to go off of.

Me and NG1 are still at risk of a lynch due to the fact that if we slip, I expect my brother to act on it with the full mindset I may be the mafia, and vise versa. As for tonight, I can promise you me or him will die because the mafia will assume we discuss outside the game and should both of us be town, it would therefore be an autolynch. I fully believe it to be leehar or MC. NG1 feels it is more of SG7 than MC now.

Now, as for todays cases, I want to know why you think SG7 is mafia, and why you think that just because MC defended you, you can go for him.

[Leehar]

is he sg7 or 8? People keep confusing the 2, incl. me >_<

My whole methodology yesterday was on the assumption that a mafioso wouldn't have missed the chance to speedlynch, so with the process of elimination ng and mc are cleared for me. I'm still iffy about you, but just worried that you and ng seemingly vote in a clump so I'd assume you'd know the other well enough to know if he's being scum lying or not.

[ghostly447]

is he sg7 or 8? People keep confusing the 2, incl. me >_<

My whole methodology yesterday was on the assumption that a mafioso wouldn't have missed the chance to speedlynch, so with the process of elimination ng and mc are cleared for me. I'm still iffy about you, but just worried that you and ng seemingly vote in a clump so I'd assume you'd know the other well enough to know if he's being scum lying or not.

Its SG8. Its because he has died and has come back as another player I think.

For mafia, its a bit easier. They dont have to speed lynch if there is already a majority on the wagon. So with the process of elimination, you havent eliminated anyone due to the fact it could be any of the voters, or any of the non voters, or any of the votes on other players (though this one is less likely, and mafia could jump on another player and start making cases to make it seem as though they are town trying to lead another case because they "feel" that the other player with the majority is not scummy enough.)

So you ought to be iffy about everyone here. Plus with your logic of the process of elimination, you can rule me out because I never voted spartacus so therefore you are making a case based off a direct contradiction to your other sentence. Me and NG are with each other everyday. I happen to know he doesnt normally play as well when he is mafia (he has admitted it) and therefore, I think I can rule him out because he hasnt made any slips yet. You may assume that I assume he is not mafia, but do not make a habit of it please. It may lose it for town in another game if it boils down to "I think they are telling the truth" and one or both of us is mafia .

More faulty logic. Leehar and MC are still my top picks.

[shieldgenerator7]

I really can't go after mc since he did defend me after all, and ng and ghostly seem to work hand-in-hand, which could be explained by the twin thing, so that leaves only Vote sg7 ?

VOTE COUNTS FROM EARLIER IN GAME:

p. 11: (4, L-3) edocsil - spurgistan, mc05025, Leehar, shieldgenerator7

p. 25: (4, L-3) ghostly447 - Leehar, edocsil, shieldgenerator7, everywhere116

p. 25: (5, L-2) everywhere116 - ghostly447, New Guy1, jgordon1111, crazymilkshake5, shieldgenerator7
(3) ghostly447 - Leehar, edocsil, everywhere116

p. 34: (3, L-2) Some7hingCLEVER - ghostly447, New Guy1, SPARTICUS1974

p. 39: (Deadline Lynched.) SPARTICUS1974 -SG8, Leehar, jgordon2222

These were the biggest bandwagons on each of the VCs I pulled them off of (I pulled them off random VCs)
and yes, I highlighted it in such a way to incriminate Leehar.
Bolded players are players that have died.

His very first post (quoted above) of today is one trying to OMGUS vote me. I think he knows I'm on to him and wants me gone. Of course this sounds OMGUS as well, but I voted him before he voted me (if you discount when he voted edoc)
And besides, he was on spartacus' lynch yesterday with the reasoning:

But nonetheless, to continue on one of my themes I mentioned that was worth using, Vote Sparticus Sparticus as he's had time to respond as well, and if he's not gonna be active to help us catch the scum but just bandwagon, then it's worth getting some more from him

*this is after mc and I had made a case on/voted on sparticus, and at the end of a post responding to jgordon and his own defense. It's a deflection tactic onto one of the biggest BWs at the time.

I'm still suspecting Leehar but am not going to vote so as to prevent a speedlynch.

A Quick Scenario Assessment:
D4: 1M:4T
town lynch + town death N4 =
D5: 1M:3T = last chance to lynch mafia

-SG7 ( )

[shieldgenerator7]

EBWOP:

D5: 1M:2T = last chance to lynch mafia. I keep getting that number mixed up

[MoB Deadly]

Day 5 - Vote Count 2

(1, L-2 ) SG8 - Leehar
ghostly447 -
Leehar -
(1, L-2) mc05025 - New Guy1
New Guy1 -

No Lynch -
Deadline Extention -

Current Lynch Target - SG8, mc05025
Deadline: Friday - 4PM EST

With 5 players alive - it takes 3 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

[ghostly447]

I beleive it to be Leehar over MC now. I am willing to throw down the hammer if I get majority say so.