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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:20 am

Slavivlad wrote:Zidane is just a God for his headbutt.

I have to agree with Sniper that La Liga is a lot slower than PL and there are only 2 teams that have a decent chance of winning the league, whereas in the PL there are a few more.


Why do I see Man U the only team who have the right experience to beat domestic opponents and win the title almost every year? when was the last time they lost it?

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Definitely another example why history is unfair regarding defenders.. Wanted to mention his name earlier but was too lazy to do :lol:
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nietzsche on Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:12 pm

The thing with defenders and defensive midfielders is that when we start as kids, we all want to be strikers, and only the best scorers get to keep the position, and the rest have to be content and play more defensive positions. They become professionals in the position, I'm not saying that anyone can play it.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby GreecePwns on Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:33 pm

You guys are overstating the parity in the Premier League. Before Man City came on the scene and Liverpool's financial problems, the same top 4 occupied the standings every year, with Man Utd and Chelsea the only ones really fighting for the title, and Man Utd winning it more often in that time than either Barcelona or Real Madrid did. And to say that the case was different even a month and a half ago is also a stretch.

Real Madrid = Man Utd, the perennial favorite
Barcelona = Man City, previously Chelsea, the other perennial favorite
Valencia = Chelsea, not winning any titles any time soon because of the teams in front of them
Atletico = Arsenal, were once the best, but just fighting for the 3rd or 4th spot every year
Bilbao = Liverpool, were once among the best, but now just fighting for Europe
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:50 pm

GreecePwns wrote:You guys are overstating the parity in the Premier League. Before Man City came on the scene and Liverpool's financial problems, the same top 4 occupied the standings every year, with Man Utd and Chelsea the only ones really fighting for the title, and Man Utd winning it more often in that time than either Barcelona or Real Madrid did. And to say that the case was different even a month and a half ago is also a stretch.

Real Madrid = Man Utd, the perennial favorite
Barcelona = Man City, previously Chelsea, the other perennial favorite
Valencia = Chelsea, not winning any titles any time soon because of the teams in front of them
Atletico = Arsenal, were once the best, but just fighting for the 3rd or 4th spot every year
Bilbao = Liverpool, were once among the best, but now just fighting for Europe


just to add.. there came a time few years ago when Ferguson was gonna get sacked because Man U happened to fain to win the title 2 years in a row. It looked so strange that Man U missed it twice and was the first time in a very long while.

Also, looking at last 10 years of champions League, England won it twice while Italy thrice... guess Spain did 4 times! Even Europa League (or previously known as UEFA Cup), can't remember if England won during the past decade!

Though, I still think it's the toughest league in the world. problem is just opponents can't compete Man U, which sucks!
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Re: Football (real)

Postby GreecePwns on Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:00 pm

Champions League and Europa League only consist of the top few teams, which favors a top-heavy league like Spain. If you took, say, Rayo Vallecano against Sunderland, you'd probably see Sunderland win, but that doesn't change what happens at the top. There are still only 2 clubs realistically fighting for a title this year and pretty much every year.

I find Germany the most fun league to watch out of the top ones in Europe. They do everything the right way, on and off the field.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:04 pm

Indeed... sadly you have to spend hundreds of millions if you wanna win the CL title.

As for Budesliga, Germany itself is a very advanced country and their football federation treat this game serious enough.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby GreecePwns on Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:11 pm

If every team was 51% owned by its fans like in Germany, the football world would be a much better place.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Sniper08 on Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:18 pm

Pirlo wrote:
just to add.. there came a time few years ago when Ferguson was gonna get sacked because Man U happened to fain to win the title 2 years in a row. It looked so strange that Man U missed it twice and was the first time in a very long while.



ok just to start Fergie is NEVER gonna get sacked or was ever in danger of being sacked so any talk of him going is just rubbish.

the PL is far more competitive than la liga. in la liga only barce and real have a realistic shot of winning the trophy while in the PL atleast 4 teams always have a shot in winning it. Man Utd do win it because we have the best manager in the world, even this season where we have been absolutly shit we have scrapped and managed to always win when we have had a terrible day because we have a great manager and the philosophy he instills into the team and the club.

United have been shit in Europe this season and so have other PL teams,man utd cause we havent a strong squad atm which we need to improve ,man city cause they have no european experience, arsenal cause they struggled during the season and chelsea although still in the CL struggled because of player-manager disputes which saw AVB sacked.

next year in the PL Man utd, Man city , Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs(if reddnap stays) all have a chance in winning the PL while in La liga only Barcelona and Real can win it.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:19 pm

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Re: Football (real)

Postby GreecePwns on Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:36 pm

Sniper08 wrote:next year in the PL Man utd, Man city , Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs(if reddnap stays) all have a chance in winning the PL while in La liga only Barcelona and Real can win it.
Realistically, this year? Only Man Utd and Man City could have won it even 10 or 15 matches ago. The gulf isn't as big in the Premier League between the top 2 and the rest, but it's still near insurmountable every year.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Slavivlad on Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:30 pm

Pirlo wrote:
Slavivlad wrote:Zidane is just a God for his headbutt.

I have to agree with Sniper that La Liga is a lot slower than PL and there are only 2 teams that have a decent chance of winning the league, whereas in the PL there are a few more.


Why do I see Man U the only team who have the right experience to beat domestic opponents and win the title almost every year? when was the last time they lost it?


Didn't they lose it a few years back when they won 3 on the trot and were going for the fourth in a row to make some sort of record ? Or is that my poor memory ? (Cba googling)

This season Man Utd have been poor. Yes, they're the most likely team to win the PL this season but still...Until about 5 games ago, everyone thought City was going to win but Man Utd, as always, pull their fingers out in the last minute and do some work for few months and come out on top, just like dice can be a real bitch ;)
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Re: Football (real)

Postby pmchugh on Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:42 pm

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Re: Football (real)

Postby JoshyBoy on Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:16 pm

GreecePwns wrote:Real Madrid = Man Utd, the perennial favorite
Barcelona = Man City, previously Chelsea, the other perennial favorite
Valencia = Chelsea, not winning any titles any time soon because of the teams in front of them
Atletico = Arsenal, were once the best, but just fighting for the 3rd or 4th spot every year
Bilbao = Liverpool, were once among the best, but now just fighting for Europe

That is excellent analysis, possibly the best post you have ever made.

Slavivlad wrote:Zidane is just a God for his headbutt.

YES.

Sniper08 wrote:Man Utd do win it because we have the best manager in the world, even this season where we have been absolutly shit we have scrapped and managed to always win when we have had a terrible day because we have a great manager and the philosophy he instills into the team and the club.


Jose Mourinho is, in my opinion of the best managers in the world, considering what he's done in his 10/11 years of management. There's no real comparison between Ferguson and Mourinho, as Jose has only managed around 600 games, compared to Alex's 2,500 games over 35 years. Jose's win percentage is around 63% and Ferguson's is 58%. Jose has never gone 12 months without winning at least one trophy. In my opinion, what Jose has done in just one decade is pretty damned impressive, and the teams he managed were not your Real Madrids or Man Utds...

  • After his very brief 9 game spell then resignation at Benfica he went on to manage UniĆ£o de Leiria, whom he took to their highest-ever league finish of fifth place, breaking club records along the way.
  • He then went on to manage Porto, breaking league records as well as winning everything with them - the CL, UEFA Cup, League, and Portugese Cup.
  • Then he mosied into England and with Abramovich's huge financial backing, transformed a little London team called Chelsea into a footballing superpower within the space of 18 months. He took Chelsea to several titles, breaking several English records along the way.
  • Internazionale were next on his list, as he took Italy by storm, destroying opponents and setting even more records. Several league and cup wins, as well as a second CL title.
  • Now he's at Real Madrid, the only team who can hold a torch to the current team of Barcelona, and he has already equaled and broken club records.

Is he "The Special One"? Maybe. If he can do it for 35+ years like Ferguson, definitely.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby GreecePwns on Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:49 pm

JoshyBoy wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:Real Madrid = Man Utd, the perennial favorite
Barcelona = Man City, previously Chelsea, the other perennial favorite
Valencia = Chelsea, not winning any titles any time soon because of the teams in front of them
Atletico = Arsenal, were once the best, but just fighting for the 3rd or 4th spot every year
Bilbao = Liverpool, were once among the best, but now just fighting for Europe


That is excellent analysis, possibly the best post you have ever made.

It is this reason why I don't bother watching most of European football anymore. Sure it has the highest quality in the world, but I'll never see it live (especially since I'll probably be living in NY permanently) and for most games the result is pretty much decided.

The American league may not be of the highest quality but no team is perennial favorites or always at the bottom of the table. In a few seasons, any team can go from bottom to top and back again. For example Columbus was shit for nearly a decade, then they got Boca Jrs legend Guillermo Barros Schelotto in 2007 (I think) and built a good team and all of the sudden they won 3 major trophies in two years. Then he retired and their manager has moved onto another team and they're shit again. And to me, live football >>>>>>>>>>>> football on TV.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:03 pm

GreecePwns wrote:
JoshyBoy wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:Real Madrid = Man Utd, the perennial favorite
Barcelona = Man City, previously Chelsea, the other perennial favorite
Valencia = Chelsea, not winning any titles any time soon because of the teams in front of them
Atletico = Arsenal, were once the best, but just fighting for the 3rd or 4th spot every year
Bilbao = Liverpool, were once among the best, but now just fighting for Europe


That is excellent analysis, possibly the best post you have ever made.

It is this reason why I don't bother watching most of European football anymore. Sure it has the highest quality in the world, but I'll never see it live (especially since I'll probably be living in NY permanently) and for most games the result is pretty much decided.

The American league may not be of the highest quality but no team is perennial favorites or always at the bottom of the table. In a few seasons, any team can go from bottom to top and back again. For example Columbus was shit for nearly a decade, then they got Boca Jrs legend Guillermo Barros Schelotto in 2007 (I think) and built a good team and all of the sudden they won 3 major trophies in two years. Then he retired and their manager has moved onto another team and they're shit again. And to me, live football >>>>>>>>>>>> football on TV.


just wait till the game gains crazy popularity over there then starts to be an industry like in Europe now! 8-)
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:20 pm

JoshyBoy wrote:Jose Mourinho is, in my opinion of the best managers in the world, considering what he's done in his 10/11 years of management. There's no real comparison between Ferguson and Mourinho, as Jose has only managed around 600 games, compared to Alex's 2,500 games over 35 years. Jose's win percentage is around 63% and Ferguson's is 58%. Jose has never gone 12 months without winning at least one trophy. In my opinion, what Jose has done in just one decade is pretty damned impressive, and the teams he managed were not your Real Madrids or Man Utds...

  • After his very brief 9 game spell then resignation at Benfica he went on to manage UniĆ£o de Leiria, whom he took to their highest-ever league finish of fifth place, breaking club records along the way.
  • He then went on to manage Porto, breaking league records as well as winning everything with them - the CL, UEFA Cup, League, and Portugese Cup.
  • Then he mosied into England and with Abramovich's huge financial backing, transformed a little London team called Chelsea into a footballing superpower within the space of 18 months. He took Chelsea to several titles, breaking several English records along the way.
  • Internazionale were next on his list, as he took Italy by storm, destroying opponents and setting even more records. Several league and cup wins, as well as a second CL title.
  • Now he's at Real Madrid, the only team who can hold a torch to the current team of Barcelona, and he has already equaled and broken club records.

Is he "The Special One"? Maybe. If he can do it for 35+ years like Ferguson, definitely.


Joshy, you are right. Mourinho is a great coach. I can't disagree with this, but I think the comparison is invalid as each one has a completely different policy/philosophy.

Mourinho is the kind of managers who can win ya top titles; however, he costs your club too much money!

Real Madrid have spent like 500 millions during the past couple of years to be the team who can match Barcelona. Mourinho did the same at Inter.. spent too much to win the CL. Serie A doesn't count because anyone could win it with Inter at that time; though he almost lost it to Roma.

Media and average viewers are usually reluctant to see a bit beyond the obvious surface! Mourinho is best know as the manager who knows how to buy in the market, which explains why he is much stronger in his second season with any club. That was clear with Inter when he brought 5 players, with 4 of them turned out to be amazing and made the difference. However, media just ignored the fact that he did some shitty deals at Real Madrid. Nori shahin and Sami Khdera are good examples!

I still believe he's the man who can win you anything if you gave him full power and hundreds of millions. Though he wouldn't bother with a long-term building up in his club. On the other hand, Managers like Wenger and Ferguson are more like business managers than football club managers with their wise spending policies that depends on keeping the cash flow even though that can be at the cost of titles and achievements. If football was fair enough and oil tycoons didn't put their big moneys in the game, we'd see a very different competition where Wenger's likes would definitely rock!

One more thing about Mourinho, almost everytime he leaves a club, that club just start sucking hard because it just stop the reckless spending policy carried out during the Special One days.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nietzsche on Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:02 pm

@Pirlo

Sahin needs more time in the field, and he won't get it with the quest to catch Barcelona's level. In RM Mourinho is starting the best he has available every game. And it surprises me that you don't like Kedhira.. he's very good.

Mourinho is an excelent motivator too, look what he did with Benzema for this year.. he's in superb physic form and he took Higuain spot, who despite not being a crack scores every time he has a chance.

Mournho is way too smart, and very driven. If it wasn't for the fact that he has to compete with the current Barcelona, (possibly the best team in history, however hard is for me to say it) we would be talking of Mourinho as one if not the best coach ever.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby JJM on Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 pm

What do we all think of Tevez's return to the City?
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nietzsche on Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:12 pm

JJM wrote:What do we all think of Tevez's return to the City?


They are just trying to give Tevez time in the field to get it in good footbolistic form to be able to sell him for a good price. Tevez is a superb player, one of the best nowadays but his attitude doesn't help him to get along with a group of 30 professionals I think.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby JJM on Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:17 pm

You could be right. Although he appears to have changed in his attitude.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:33 pm

JJM wrote:You could be right. Although he appears to have changed in his attitude.


Tevez never changes. he has been a fucker since we knew him first time. When he was 19, he refused to to play for Argentina in the 2003 U20 World Cup!

@Nitto

Khdera is not good enough, but that doesn't mean I dislike him. I dun even see RM games so often. I also think Mourinho is the best coach inside the locker room. He faces the media alone, which takes all pressures off his players.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Lord and Master on Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:55 pm

United 2-0 QPR
No surprise at result really, though once more opposition have fair claim to dodgy ref decisions at OT!
Arsenal 1-0 shitty
Fucking right! Nice one Arsenal, puts United a mighty 8 points clear, superior goal difference by +2 and only 6 games left! Taxi for Mancini methinks...
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:25 pm

Lord+Master wrote:United 2-0 QPR
No surprise at result really, though once more opposition have fair claim to dodgy ref decisions at OT!
Arsenal 1-0 shitty
Fucking right! Nice one Arsenal, puts United a mighty 8 points clear, superior goal difference by +2 and only 6 games left! Taxi for Mancini methinks...


Mancini really sucks!

I think Ancelotti or Hedink would be perfect for City.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby GreecePwns on Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:21 pm

I'll try to make this a regular thing.

Match of the Week: Sporting Kansas City 1-0 LA Galaxy
That's 5 wins out of 5 for KC (though their first against a title contender), who have outscored their opponents 8-1 so far this season. Their tight defense and good possession play (60% in favor of the home side) kept LA from even getting a single shot on goal. Another notable factor was David Beckham's absence; manager Bruce Arena decided to rest him. LA's defensive problems, after losing Omar Gonzalez to a season-long injury while on loan to FC Koln, continue. This was what I would call the match of the week league wide.


Columbus Crew 1-4 Metro
Kenny Cooper stole the show today, with two goals in the first 15 minutes of the match. Henry added a third right before halftime as well. But behind the scenes it was Dax McCarty and Mehdi Ballouchy, replacing the injured Tainio and fatigued Lindpere, who ran the midfield and created many chances for the two up top. But Columbus fought back in the second half, and there were also communication problems between our goalkeeper and centerbacks. It was only in the 89th that Columbus would take advantage of their possession. Henry stated his displeasure with the team's second half performance in the postgame interviews, and you could see all of that anger being channeled into his rocket into the top corner in the 90th for his second goal of the match. That makes 13 goals in 3 matches for us.

Oh, and there were times where our 30 or so traveling fans outsung theirs =D> :lol:


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Re: Football (real)

Postby JoshyBoy on Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:33 pm

Haha, what a game!! Balloteli is a massive asshole.

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