xxtig12683xx wrote:thegreekdog wrote:xxtig12683xx wrote:and the devils are shitting on the flyers...god i hate philly sports and their fans.
Wow. Why? Is there something that sets Philadelphia sports and Philadelphia sports fans apart from other fans?
Are you really asking that question? Your roundly regarded as the most collective bunch of assholes out there in sports. Hamels and giroux just in the past week are prime examples, you had a jail at the vet, cheered when a man got carried off the field in a neck brace. The fact that you question this suggests to me you don't watch alot of sports.
-tig
Let's explore this:
- Hamels got suspended for five games for throwing at a player. Is he the only player that has been suspended for that?
- Claude Giroux was suspended for hitting a player in the head. Is he the only player that has been suspended for that? How many Penguins were suspended in the last series? How many Flyers?
The fans:
- One factor that comes into play is whether we're talking about "all Philadelphia fans," "most Philadelphia fans," "some Philadelphia fans," or "a few Philadelphia fans." You're making a broad generalization about all Philadelphia fans. That's an incorrect generalization to make.
- There was a jail in Veterans Stadium. The first game in which the jail was used was against the Pittsburgh Steelers. More Steelers fans were temporarily incarcerated than Eagles fans. And there are no jails in any of the current stadiums.
- When fans cheered when Michael Irvin was hurt, no one knew the extent of his injury. I'm surprised you didn't bring up the Joakim Noah injury cheers. When a player like Irvin gets hurt and fans of an archrival team cheer, it means two things: (1) the fans hate the player because they player regularly kills the team and/or (2) the player is a jerkoff. Irvin was both. Irvin himself said he thought that the cheering of the Philadelphia fans was because he was a good player and he had no problem with it.
Now, let's look at some other fan bases. I surely hope you make the same generalizations about them as you do about Philadelphia fans (these are all incidents where more than one fan was involved or the incident was highly violent):
- A Saints fan shot two 49ers fans after last season's playoff game.
- A Saints fan talked about the abuse she was subject to at a 49ers game, including strings of profanities.
- A San Francisco Giants fan was beaten profoundly at a Dodgers game by Dodgers fans last year.
- Fans were hospitalized for beatings at the Raiders-49ers game last year.
- In 1993, fans threw beer cups and garbage onto the ice during the game in the semifinals between Washington and New York.
- In 1995, Dodgers fans threw baseballs onto the field during the game; the Cardinals left the field due to safety concerns.
- In 1995, Browns fans (when the team was going to move) were so bad that play coming towards the Dawg Pound had to be directed towards the opposite end of the stadium. There was extensive damage to the stadium and stadium security was attacked.
- In 1995, Giants fans threw snowballs and ice at Chargers players and officials, injuring fifteen people. The Chargers equipment manager was knocked unconscious. 15 people were arrested, 175 people were ejected.
- In 1999, after being pelted with snowballs throughout the game by Denver fans, Charles Woodson (a Raider) retailiated by throwing a snowball back.
- In 2000, a Cubs fan grabbed a hat off the head of a Dodgers player, which started a brawl that went into the stands.
- In 2001, Browns fans, angered by a call, threw bottles and garbage on the field, hitting officials and players, resulting in a thirty-minute delay. The game was initially called, but then the last 48 seconds were played.
- In 2002, a fight broke out in Washington between Washington fans and Philadelphia fans, resulting in pepper spray being used and the game being delayed.
- In 2002, after a controversial call, Utah Jazz fans threw trash on the Sacramento Kings' players and officials as they left the court.
- In 2003, a Chicago White Sox fan ran onto the field and attacked umpire Laz Diaz.
- In 2004, a fan threw a plastic beer bottle at Milton Bradley, who threw it back into the front row.
- In 2004 - Pacers-Pistons brawl
- In 2005, a fan at Fenway threw a punch at Gary Sheffield while another fan showered him with beer.
- In 2005, Allen Iverson was hit by a coin thrown by a Pistons fan.
- In 2007, Utah Jazz fans again threw trash - this time at Spurs players and officials after a playoff game.
- In 2009, Shane Victorino was hit by a beer in Chicago at Wrigley.
This is a partial list.
Philadelphia fans get a bad rap for throwing snowballs at Santa Claus, an incident totally blown out of proportion, and recent incidents which involved one or two intoxicated, stupid individuals (the man vomitting on the little girl at the Phillies game, the two Flyers fans beating up a Rangers fan after the Winter Classic).
In sum, you're buying into the idea that Philadelphia fans are the most collective bunch of assholes compared to all other fans because they threw snowballs at Santa in like 1963 and random people did random things. Do I go on about Cleveland fans or New York fans because they do stupid shit? No.
Until you provide me specific examples of stuff Philadelphia fans do as a group that no other fans anywhere do, you're just parrotting an uneducated hatred of Philadelphia fans and perpetuating an untrue stereotype. It also might be good to know which teams you're a fan of. Then I can come up with specific references for your fan base and make gross and broad generalizations.
Here are some personal non-Philadelphia examples:
- I went to a Washington Redskins-Philadelphia Eagles game in Washington in 2004. My girlfriend and I were cursed at by numerous fans leaving the stadium (the Eagles won). The people in the stands we sat with were nice though.
- I went to a New York Giants-Philadelphia Eagles game in New York in the mid-90s. I was around 15. My brother was 11. My brother accidentally knocked over a Giants fan's beer. The Giants fan preceded to curse at my brother and got a group of Giants fans to curse at my brother. It was a traumatic experience and we left the game in the third quarter.
- I went to a New York Yankees-Chicago White Sox game in the mid-90s in New York. Yankees fans threw things onto the field, cursed loudly at the starting White Sox pithcer (Jack McDowell I believe) and were generally complete assholes.
My best fan experience was at a Baltimore Orioles-Philadelphia Phillies game. The Baltimore fans were quite well-behaved.
