Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[DoomYoshi]

It is slightly off for clever, which tripped me.

[jak111]

Alright, no ones allowed to vote Clever until he comes in, he's at L-2 so either we get something, or the gallows look as if they will be holding someone today.

I've been in a couple games with Clever, and so have some of you. I don't think his playing is adding up to the times he's been town.

That being said, once we get the claim from Clever, if it seems solid enough, just a suggestion, but IB has been online (Seen him searching the forums a few days ago and he never posted) so it'd be a good place to go afterward.

[soundman]

Alright, no ones allowed to vote Clever until he comes in, he's at L-2 so either we get something, or the gallows look as if they will be holding someone today.

I've been in a couple games with Clever, and so have some of you. I don't think his playing is adding up to the times he's been town.

That being said, once we get the claim from Clever, if it seems solid enough, just a suggestion, but IB has been online (Seen him searching the forums a few days ago and he never posted) so it'd be a good place to go afterward.

I asked for a prod in my last post. Hopefully that gets IB back in here.

[everywhere116]

He's been relatively active in other threads. He should be here shortly.

[thechuck51]

i claimed so that i cant be scrutinized and people dont waste their time on me.

I do agree with you that theres something off about pmc, but lets get a claim out of clever first.

WTH? Why the claim?

then i can be less questioned... or more because apparently looking through 70 pages of forum... if i really have an interesting role, why would dazza have been replaced without reason? no "im busy" or "irl is insane". just a boring VT role. If you dont believe me, then lynch me. just listen to what i said when im dead. the mafia are DOMINANT in this game... they have killed 4 without anything, and are pressuring me...

MoB, i already have and FOS on you, but i think clever is more important right now, since there is a BW on him right now.

Not a fan of this claim with zero pressure. Seems like vodean is trying real hard to deflect any attention away from herself. Dazza could have dropped for any number of reasons, i think he has said he has a couple of kids and I know from experience how free time can disapear real quick due to family obligations. Perhaps the more frequent players can fill us in but I don't think he has a reputation for quitting games because he gets a role he doesn't like. FOS vodean

[thechuck51]

I've been in a couple games with Clever, and so have some of you. I don't think his playing is adding up to the times he's been town.

That being said, once we get the claim from Clever, if it seems solid enough, just a suggestion, but IB has been online (Seen him searching the forums a few days ago and he never posted) so it'd be a good place to go afterward.

I don't have enough experience playing with clever to judge his current play vs. his past play but I agree that he is sheepish. His vote against soundman from Day 2 is a prime example.

I agree that we should look more into IB. His contributions since Day 2 began consist of a vote on skill (without giving any reason), two off-topic posts, and some flavor anaylsis.

Vote skill

He is at L2.

FOS jak for not admitting he likes boys.

This is a friendly game. That is not a friendly post.

The BIG problem is that we will get to the end of the game and go...WTF...thats it? Oh wait that was Mass Effect 3.

Then again on another read of scene it may be that Attacker 1 tries to kill Random Guy 1. And then Attacker 2 kills our town vig who is not attacker one.

I read it as two different scenarios. No scarred man first kill attempt.

second kill...

"You hear that Mr. Anderson?... That is the sound of inevitability... It is the sound of your death... Goodbye, Mr. Anderson..."

I beleive we have Mr. Smith present.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(6)- neb, leehar, jak, dj, vodean, hippo, ghostly, everywhere, soundman
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
pmc(1)- doom
vodean(1)- edoc

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Prodding IB.

[vodean]

i claimed so that i cant be scrutinized and people dont waste their time on me.

I do agree with you that theres something off about pmc, but lets get a claim out of clever first.

WTH? Why the claim?

then i can be less questioned... or more because apparently looking through 70 pages of forum... if i really have an interesting role, why would dazza have been replaced without reason? no "im busy" or "irl is insane". just a boring VT role. If you dont believe me, then lynch me. just listen to what i said when im dead. the mafia are DOMINANT in this game... they have killed 4 without anything, and are pressuring me...

MoB, i already have and FOS on you, but i think clever is more important right now, since there is a BW on him right now.

Not a fan of this claim with zero pressure. Seems like vodean is trying real hard to deflect any attention away from herself. Dazza could have dropped for any number of reasons, i think he has said he has a couple of kids and I know from experience how free time can disapear real quick due to family obligations. Perhaps the more frequent players can fill us in but I don't think he has a reputation for quitting games because he gets a role he doesn't like. FOS vodean

no. im just trying to save the town time... like i said. lynch me if you want, but reading 70 pages in 24 hours gives you a certain insight into whats happening by putting everything in perspective and still remembering one scummy move when the next one occurs. If you do lynch me, at least listen to what i say afterwards. thats all i ask. And you probably dont remember, but in an old game (2 years ago) i claimed early, was town, and got lynched. that doesnt mean i claim every time im town, but it does mean i've done it before.

MoB, i didnt FOS you much in the big post, but day 2 you were more suspect. There are scummiers than you, but ive got an eye on you.

other than that... clever? anything to say? a claim?

[vodean]

Oops..... okay... I take back my vote on you though vodean. I disagreed with one of your posts and I thought you were trying to make something out of nothing... In fact, I was the one who was wrong. I am still going to FOS you for claiming with zero pressure, and claiming a VT which does not fit the pattern with the rest of the game.

unvote

I am still not sold on Clever though. If this were Day 1 I would definitely say his actions would warrant a lynch. However it's day 3 and we haven't caught any scum, or do not know if we even made one claim. I get the feeling we were baited into voting clever for the easy lynch of the day. I would be more supportive of going in a completely new direction. It's just gut feeling though, which I know is not worth a whole lot in this type of game.

fine. FOS me. but if you dont see ANY case against clever, ill FOS you, too, MoB

[pmchugh]

Clever is L-5 not L-2.

i claimed so that i cant be scrutinized and people dont waste their time on me.

I do agree with you that theres something off about pmc, but lets get a claim out of clever first.

WTH? Why the claim?

then i can be less questioned... or more because apparently looking through 70 pages of forum... if i really have an interesting role, why would dazza have been replaced without reason? no "im busy" or "irl is insane". just a boring VT role. If you dont believe me, then lynch me. just listen to what i said when im dead. the mafia are DOMINANT in this game... they have killed 4 without anything, and are pressuring me...

MoB, i already have and FOS on you, but i think clever is more important right now, since there is a BW on him right now.

Not a fan of this claim with zero pressure. Seems like vodean is trying real hard to deflect any attention away from herself. Dazza could have dropped for any number of reasons, i think he has said he has a couple of kids and I know from experience how free time can disapear real quick due to family obligations. Perhaps the more frequent players can fill us in but I don't think he has a reputation for quitting games because he gets a role he doesn't like. FOS vodean

no. im just trying to save the town time... like i said. lynch me if you want, but reading 70 pages in 24 hours gives you a certain insight into whats happening by putting everything in perspective and still remembering one scummy move when the next one occurs. If you do lynch me, at least listen to what i say afterwards. thats all i ask. And you probably dont remember, but in an old game (2 years ago) i claimed early, was town, and got lynched. that doesnt mean i claim every time im town, but it does mean i've done it before.

MoB, i didnt FOS you much in the big post, but day 2 you were more suspect. There are scummiers than you, but ive got an eye on you.

other than that... clever? anything to say? a claim?

Nice meta defence, did you not learn from claiming early last time? There is a reason that people don't like it.

[ghostly447]

Alright, no ones allowed to vote Clever until he comes in, he's at L-2 so either we get something, or the gallows look as if they will be holding someone today.

I've been in a couple games with Clever, and so have some of you. I don't think his playing is adding up to the times he's been town.

That being said, once we get the claim from Clever, if it seems solid enough, just a suggestion, but IB has been online (Seen him searching the forums a few days ago and he never posted) so it'd be a good place to go afterward.

Though I believe we have a lead that is worth following, I dont like your MetaGaming. I know Clever personally, and therefore observe his play more than probably anyone here. I hate him because he plays it different almost every time. He doesnt stick to anything similar to any of his previous playing, and it makes my blood boil. But that is Clever.

[thechuck51]

Clever is L-5 not L-2.

I count 9 votes which would put him at L-2

clever(6)- neb, leehar, jak, dj, vodean, hippo, ghostly, everywhere, soundman

[Djfireside]

I concur, I noted that when I read it. I believe this would be the claim time clever

[jonty125]

I concur, I noted that when I read it. I believe this would be the claim time clever

+1

[pmchugh]

Vote Count

clever(6)- neb, leehar, jak, dj, vodean, hippo, ghostly, everywhere, soundman
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
pmc(1)- doom
vodean(1)- edoc

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Prodding IB.

Saf is that 6 votes or 9 on clever?

[vodean]

Clever is L-5 not L-2.

I count 9 votes which would put him at L-2

clever(6)- neb, leehar, jak, dj, vodean, hippo, ghostly, everywhere, soundman

this post was made a while ago...

fastposted...

also, in response, it looks like saf forgot to update the number of votes, since the list is accurate

[betiko]

to ghostly: sorry you fastposted me and i didn't write it, but obviously if i was talking about you and inactivity it was because i hadn't seen yet your first post in ages. Hippo made a list on which you appeared to have never voted nor fosed ANYONE. yes, you have shown up once in a while to say "hi, i"m buisy". Many players have been kicked out for inactivity before you when you where clearly the most inactive.
You now show up with you first vote and your first fos; congrats, you take a position for once!!

Also you take sg7's defense, but I am not attacking him for posting too little, I'm attacking him for doing it in a scummy way in my opinion.

regarding lsu tiger: it was more for him. he decided to replace someone, had to read everything through, and once he caught up and is ready to mingle he asks for a replacement...

and yes, time to claim clever!

[vodean]

if he doesnt post in the next 24?48?72? hours, lets lynch him? we cant wait around all year... or else we can ask his scumbuddies to claim for him

[edocsil]

... or else we can ask his scumbuddies to claim for him

Lol? I'll bet every bent penny of mine that he is town. Your guy's case sucks.

[jak111]

Clever is L-5 not L-2.

Vote Count

clever(6)- 1 neb, 2 leehar,3 jak,4 dj,5 vodean,6 hippo,7 ghostly,8 everywhere,9 soundman
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
pmc(1)- doom
vodean(1)- edoc

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Prodding IB.

Saf is that 6 votes or 9 on clever?

Umm, not to sound rude PMC, but count them yourself. I even put them in groups of 3 to make it easier ^^.

Anyway, back onto other posts of the day.

... or else we can ask his scumbuddies to claim for him

Lol? I'll bet every bent penny of mine that he is town. Your guy's case sucks.

It sucks does it edoc? Is that the only thing you wish to say? If you have something better, bring it forward. But don't insult people's choices just because it's not what you want it to be.

As for the case on Clever, whether it sucks or not, it's claiming time bud.

[edocsil]

It sucks does it edoc? Is that the only thing you wish to say? If you have something better, bring it forward. But don't insult people's choices just because it's not what you want it to be.

A few things.
I did wise guy.
Grow a thicker skin.
The case is embarrassing for D3. I just want him to claim so we can quit wasting our time.

[jak111]

It sucks does it edoc? Is that the only thing you wish to say? If you have something better, bring it forward. But don't insult people's choices just because it's not what you want it to be.

A few things.
I did wise guy.
Grow a thicker skin.
The case is embarrassing for D3. I just want him to claim so we can quit wasting our time.

If you have time to complain when I was just replying to your post, then take that time and show us a better case. Show us why we should follow your 'case'. Don't use it just whining what others are doing, it's getting real tiresome and insulting to listen to you tell everyone else they suck because they don't follow your case -.-

[vodean]

It sucks does it edoc? Is that the only thing you wish to say? If you have something better, bring it forward. But don't insult people's choices just because it's not what you want it to be.

A few things.
I did wise guy.
Grow a thicker skin.
The case is embarrassing for D3. I just want him to claim so we can quit wasting our time.

this is what im talking about with defending eachother... it wasnt you before, but now it is.FOS edoc.

you seem to be suggesting that now, after all this work getting here, we give up and put pressure somewhere else instead

[edocsil]

It sucks does it edoc? Is that the only thing you wish to say? If you have something better, bring it forward. But don't insult people's choices just because it's not what you want it to be.

A few things.
I did wise guy.
Grow a thicker skin.
The case is embarrassing for D3. I just want him to claim so we can quit wasting our time.

If you have time to complain when I was just replying to your post, then take that time and show us a better case. Show us why we should follow your 'case'. Don't use it just whining what others are doing, it's getting real tiresome and insulting to listen to you tell everyone else they suck because they don't follow your case -.-

Internet ate my lengthy post, and you aren't worth typing it up again for.

In short.
I did make a case, it has been ignored for this mediocre one due to a sense of bandwagoning. You are skimming too badly to have the grace to even notice it. You are being a dick to pmc about being able to count when clearly the VC was incorrect.

Long story short, don't try to play the wounded saint. Yes, I can be an ass here, I am fine with that. You however are a real tool and think your some sort of good guy on here. How about instead of just passing over my posts, perhaps look at some of their logic?

[jak111]

Not noticing the Morpheus death, a random "Don't shoot me I'm VT!" Followed by criticisms as to why the scum hadn't killed the other VT's, pointless (incorrect) flavor analysis, bad skimming, and a fishy claim to boot. I'm going with scum.

Unvote Vote Vodean.

the reason for all of this is posting as i read... it took a while to get through 70 pages... my newer posts were more accurate. the reason why it looks suspect is that NO ONE SUSPECTS!!

vote me if you want. lynch me! but afterwards, PLEASE, listen to what i said.

No, what you claim is just ridiculous. You cannot possibly know who every single scum is D3.

Here is your post before saying pretty much everyone sucks for voting Clever. You say that Vodean can't possibly know whom every scum is.

BTW, I am mouse, and i do nothing special at night (being that im VT)...

So far this is the first case of somebody that can enter the matrix being VT.

Yes, and I'll bet he is also the first liar, although the points are unconnected in my case.

I am currently leaning towards two groups of mafia, not connected, but with one kill and one other power... one group in the matrix (Clever, hippo, and maybe IB?) and one outside the matrix (doom and jak)... but for now, ill provide one more piece of evidence against clever and change my vote.

Pointless conjecture, it is of no use to the town. Making lists of who the entire fucking scum is just is wrong. I don't care how many connected players you think you see, you are wrong. The odds are just too great, and any half assed mafia player already knows this.

always backing up hippo. why? surely, when hippo is only in moderate danger, he does not need someone else pushing for his defense, unless they have vested interest.
unvote vote clever

So what? Better to take a stand. I happen to to agree that the hippo case was groundless. Scum don't cover each other like that unless they are so embarrassingly green that they have never read a finished game before.

from this, yes, it would seem i was right... two mafia factions, and the woman in the car is probably the oracle.

If you had actually read the game/watched to movies/played a balanced game before, you would know it's a SK and Scum, not 2 Scum. Also, why the f*ck would the oracle be in a car? Flavor just doesn't fit with either statement. Bad flavor analysis is bad.

Im not sure what this other man is, and why the first one didnt get hit by the train...

Duh, white suit is Seraph (perhaps twins, but the argument is moot here) Train refers to the Trainman and a busdrive, again, duh. Flavor just doesn't fit. Further bad flavor analysis is still bad.

Not noticing the Morpheus death, a random "Don't shoot me I'm VT!" Followed by criticisms as to why the scum hadn't killed the other VT's, pointless (incorrect) flavor analysis, bad skimming, and a fishy claim to boot. I'm going with scum.

Unvote Vote Vodean.

Then the post before that is you voting Vodean, which I believe this is your 'case', however, I do not see Vodean as scum, nor does many others. I've read it and so have others. She's technically new back to the mafia forums (apparently she's been here before, but she's been gone for however long), so you can't expect her posts to be perfect. Then you say she's wrong about everything, when even though I'm one of her top FOS's I have to agree, her thoughts probably get jammed together after 77 pages of posts.. Yea, my thought process wouldn't be perfect after that neither Edoc.

What I'm trying to say is, your case has been read, but it's been passed because she is newish, and she had to do a LOT of catch up, so yea, her posts and cases aren't perfect bud. No one's is.