Who is the Best US President: Wilson, FDR or Obama?

[Iliad]

Which of these distinguished presidents do you think deserves to be remembered as the best?

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[chang50]

Which of these distinguished presidents do you think deserves to be remembered as the best?

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FDR for me,mostly for engaging and helping to defeat the evil of Fascism in WW2,doesn't seem like the US has been on the right side of conflicts very often since then.

[saxitoxin]

Which of these distinguished presidents do you think deserves to be remembered as the best?

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FDR for me,mostly for engaging and helping to defeat the evil of Fascism in WW2,doesn't seem like the US has been on the right side of conflicts very often since then.

A few times - for one, the Second Arab-Israeli War where the USA and USSR joined forces to help Egypt deal a crushing and humiliating defeat to the UK, France and Israel. Gen. Eisenhower was definitely the greatest USA president in the 20th-21st centuries.

[muy_thaiguy]

I'd have to give to Teddy Roosevelt.

But on the list, FDR.

[chang50]

Which of these distinguished presidents do you think deserves to be remembered as the best?

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FDR for me,mostly for engaging and helping to defeat the evil of Fascism in WW2,doesn't seem like the US has been on the right side of conflicts very often since then.

A few times - for one, the Second Arab-Israeli War where the USA and USSR joined forces to help Egypt deal a crushing and humiliating defeat to the UK, France and Israel. Gen. Eisenhower was definitely the greatest USA president in the 20th-21st centuries.

Agreed,Suez was an example of the US employing its might in a good way.

[chang50]

Which of these distinguished presidents do you think deserves to be remembered as the best?

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FDR for me,mostly for engaging and helping to defeat the evil of Fascism in WW2,doesn't seem like the US has been on the right side of conflicts very often since then.

A few times - for one, the Second Arab-Israeli War where the USA and USSR joined forces to help Egypt deal a crushing and humiliating defeat to the UK, France and Israel. Gen. Eisenhower was definitely the greatest USA president in the 20th-21st centuries.

Agreed,Suez was an example of the US employing its might in a good way.

[DoomYoshi]

Worst list ever. Your stupid country hasn't had a Good President since Col. Jackson. Get a reality check you damned trolls.

[Metsfanmax]

Let's not pre-judge. Obama has plenty of time to lose the title.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, maybe I was rash. But in all seriousness, how can any leader be called "good" let alone best unless they fucked Spain in the ass? Maybe if they did a little rear-ending of England or France I would consider the case. The whole point of the United States is to shit on the powers that fought in the 7 Years War. What has Obama done to Prussia? Absolutely nothing. So screw him.

[Symmetry]

I haven't seen Wilson's birth certificate (long form), so I can't judge. It's probably faked anyway. Is Woodrow even his real name? I heard that it was Thomas. Why go by Woodrow? Perhaps he was trying to hide his past as a slave owner. Interesting.

[saxitoxin]

Which of these distinguished presidents do you think deserves to be remembered as the best?

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FDR for me,mostly for engaging and helping to defeat the evil of Fascism in WW2,doesn't seem like the US has been on the right side of conflicts very often since then.

A few times - for one, the Second Arab-Israeli War where the USA and USSR joined forces to help Egypt deal a crushing and humiliating defeat to the UK, France and Israel. Gen. Eisenhower was definitely the greatest USA president in the 20th-21st centuries.

Agreed,Suez was an example of the US employing its might in a good way.

IMO, it was the most historic war in 400 years, though the world's dominant white power structure has tried to leave it as a footnote. For the first time since the Ottomans besieged Vienna, an European colonial adventure was not only defeated but the battle turned around and taken right back into the heart of Europe itself. The scenes of queues of Frenchmen pushing powerless cars through Paris are priceless.

Eisenhower and Kruschev were the two greatest world leaders in the last 100 years.

[GabonX]

IMO, it was the most historic war in history

Your views on history leave a lot to be desired.

[GabonX]

IMO, it was the most historic war in 400 years

Even in backtracking your opinions are just slightly less laughable.

[saxitoxin]

IMO, it was the most historic war in 400 years

Even in backtracking your opinions are just slightly less laughable.

It wasn't backtracking, Gabby, is was correcting my bad Englishing (i.e. "most historic war in history").

[saxitoxin]

[GabonX]

IMO, it was the most historic war in 400 years

Even in backtracking your opinions are just slightly less laughable.

It wasn't backtracking, Gabby, is was correcting my bad Englishing (i.e. "most historic war in history").

Tell me more about how England, France, and Israel were "defeated" in 1956 and how this war was more historic than the one where they invented the atom bomb...

[saxitoxin]

IMO, it was the most historic war in 400 years

Even in backtracking your opinions are just slightly less laughable.

It wasn't backtracking, Gabby, is was correcting my bad Englishing (i.e. "most historic war in history").

Tell me more about how England, France, and Israel were "defeated" in 1956 and how this war was more historic than the one where they invented the atom bomb...

When your troops end the conflict by fleeing at 70 mph toward waiting evacuation ships, all the while taking incoming fire from Fedayeen, that's one indicator you've been defeated.

When your economy has collapsed and your Prime Minister forced to resign from a hospital bed where he's been confined for "stress" that's one indicator you've been defeated.

When the one objective you entered the war to achieve has failed - preventing Egyptian nationalization of the Canal - that's one indicator you've been defeated.

I think you're upset the American side won and the Israeli side lost. Don't worry, the Israelis got their revenge a decade later when they machine-gunned the surviving American sailors of USS Liberty in liferafts. That's something you can be proud of, I guess.

[GabonX]

IMO, it was the most historic war in 400 years

Even in backtracking your opinions are just slightly less laughable.

It wasn't backtracking, Gabby, is was correcting my bad Englishing (i.e. "most historic war in history").

Tell me more about how England, France, and Israel were "defeated" in 1956 and how this war was more historic than the one where they invented the atom bomb...

When your troops end the conflict by fleeing at 70 mph toward waiting evacuation ships, all the while taking incoming fire from Fedayeen, that's one indicator you've been defeated.

When your economy has collapsed and your Prime Minister forced to resign from a hospital bed where he's been confined for "stress" that's one indicator you've been defeated.

When the one objective you entered the war to achieve has failed - preventing Egyptian nationalization of the Canal - that's one indicator you've been defeated.

I think you're upset the American side won and the Israeli side lost. Don't worry, the Israelis got their revenge a decade later when they machine-gunned the surviving American sailors of USS Liberty in liferafts. That's something you can be proud of, I guess.

Your off topic trolling is ruining Iliad's troll thread. Much of what you say (here and in general) is factually incorrect and seemingly added for dramatic effect.

I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with Israel but your delusions are unhealthy. I'm not sure if you believe the things you say or if you're just trying to convince others of your narrative, but it's not grounded in facts.

[notyou2]

Not so sure about that. I was unaware of the USS Liberty incident until Saxi raised it and I googled it.

[GabonX]

Not so sure about that. I was unaware of the USS Liberty incident until Saxi raised it and I googled it.

It happened, but the assertions he makes about it are ridiculous. The idea he presents that the incident was purposeful retribution for something Eisenhower did more than a decade before as opposed to a mistake made at the height of war tensions is ludicrous.

[notyou2]

You may be right there, also, I didn't read anything about machine gunning the survivors in their life rafts, but it appears to be based in reality.

[GabonX]

You may be right there, also, I didn't read anything about machine gunning the survivors in their life rafts, but it appears to be based in reality.

That's what he does. He takes something that's kinda true but then he adds layers of slander. I'm pretty sure he just outright made up the part about machine gunning people in life rafts, troops fleeing at 70mph while being fired on in 56 etc.

He just really hates Israel.

[saxitoxin]

Lt. Commander Ennes - USS Liberty survivor
"Israeli reconnaissance pilots were heard telling their headquarters that we were an American ship."
http://www.ussliberty.org/audio/4a_ennes.ram

Lt. Commander Ennes - USS Liberty survivor
"Israeli reconnaissance pilots circled the ship 13 times in the hours before the attack."
http://www.ussliberty.org/audio/5a_ennes.ram

Ensign Lucas - USS Liberty survivor
"The US flag flew throughout the attack except for a few seconds when it was shot down by the Israelis and immediately replaced."
http://www.ussliberty.org/audio/8a_lucas.ram

Ensign Lucas - USS Liberty survivor
"Israeli torpedo boats continued to fire from close range for another 40 minutes and fired mercilessly on liferafts in the water."
http://www.ussliberty.org/audio/3f_ennes.ram

Captain Tully - USS Saratoga commander (near the USS Liberty when the Israelis launched Operation Shooting Gallery)
"I have never been told as to why my Strike Group, which was strong enough to drive-off all the Israeli forces attacking the USS Liberty, was recalled."
http://www.ussliberty.org/audio/3c_tully.ram

Yeoman Hrankowski - USS Liberty survivor
"American sailors who were running, trying to deploy liferafts - put flares in the water - the Israelis were picking them off, one-by-one, with their machine guns."
http://www.ussliberty.org/g/hrank.gif

Secretary of State Rusk - Kennedy foreign minister
"The decision to attack a known American ship was made at a high level in the Israeli government."
http://www.ussliberty.org/audio/deanrusk.ram

Signalman Joe Meadors - USS Liberty survivor
"The helicopters that Israel claims were sent for "rescue," actually carried armed men in battle dress."
http://www.ussliberty.org/audio/3ameadrs.ram

Vice-Admiral Thomas Moorer - U.S. Chief of Naval Operations (ex-)
"The idea of an accident is too much to swallow. The ship was deliberately attacked."
http://www.ussliberty.org/audio/moorer.ram

[john9blue]

best?

is this some kind of new teenage speak?

like where "bad" means "good" and "sick" means "sweet"?

[Phatscotty]

Which of these distinguished presidents do you think deserves to be remembered as the best?

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A poll with only the worst presidents in our history as options?

Stop hitting yourself!